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For the Women Intercollegiate Athletics Project.\nI'll start and then Doug and Shirley jump in. We might know this story Jill, but\nfor posterity can you re-tell us the story about how you ended up at Trinity and\ndid sports have something to do with that?\n\nO'NEIL: Sure. I grew up in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and started playing tennis when\nI was a pretty young kiddo. Probably around age 8, and started touring in the\nsouthwest area. In 1972 I was still in high school, and um, Nancy Lopez the\ngolfer was playing down in Roswell, New Mexico, south of Santa Fe. She, and this\nwas unbeknownst to me, I didn't know that she wanted to pursue playing golf\nthrough their high school. Anyway, an attorney took her case and won the case\nwhich started Title IX, and she was able to play on the boy's golf team because\nthey didn't have a women's or girls golf team.\n\nThat same year I was allowed to play on the boy's tennis team at Santa Fe High\nSchool, and, um, then the next year I played on the girls' team. In the\nmeantime, I was still traveling quite a bit, playing lots of tournaments. And,\nmy kind of coach at the time was a good friend of Chris Everett's dad, Jimmy\nEverett in Florida. And, he moved to Santa Fe and started this tennis club,\nwhich I became a member of, and he highly recommended me to go to Trinity\nbecause of its reputation as, you know, one of the best tennis schools in the\ncountry at the time and so, I did. I made the team, and that's how my interest\nin Trinity started, was all through tennis, and I thought that was what I was\ngoing to continue to play tennis, but that changed. So, anyway, that's my story\nabout the Title IX and my history with Trinity.\n\nPASLEY: We're still dealing with the audio, but we'll keep going here. Um, so to\npick up then, well first of all when you first came to campus did you come as a recruit?\n\nO'NEIL: Um, let's see, I guess I did. Yeah, I came as a recruit and went\nstraight to the tennis courts, met Don Newman, who was the coach at the time and\nStephanie Tollison who actually was my arch nemesis all growing up. She was\nthere at the same time and she was the only person I knew at Trinity at the\ntime, and she was there, and of course Joann Russell, and Donna Stockton, and\nVal and Mary Hamm. That's all the ones that I can remember. They were all there\nand the first thing I did was start hitting tennis balls. My dad was there with\nme and I decided that's where I wanted to go. He didn't--I don't know that Don\nactively recruited me. I think he had heard about me, but didn't actively\nrecruit me or anything. I was more of what i would call more of a walk on, but I\ndid make the team--the first part of the team. You know, the first six, so I was\npleased about that.\n\nPASLEY: Ok, Doug?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well you pick up, because I'm not going to be able to hear well\n\nPASLEY: Ok, um, so I know there's a story about why--I guess the question is\nonce you arrived at Trinity then, um, you started playing on the Varsity team.\n\nO'NEIL: Right.\n\nPASLEY: And something happened, right?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"had played in a couple of tournaments with the team.\nWe went to Odessa, Texas, and a couple of other places. I believe it was maybe\nDecember or January, when it never rains in San Antonio, ever. It was raining\ncats and dogs and we were given permission to open up the gym floor and set up a\ntennis net so we can practice inside. In the meantime, I started messing around\nwith a basketball. I had played some basketball in high school on the girl's\nhigh school team, not much, but I had played more street ball up the street from\nwhere I grew up, but really liked it. In that instance I twisted my ankle,\nchipped a bone, and that was it. No more tennis for a while. I recovered from\nthat and Don felt like I wasn't going to come back and do as well as I had been\ndoing and he kind of said you either need to play tennis or don't show up\nbasically. So, I said well I'm going to give it a try and we entered into a\ntournament. I think I ended up playing basketball that season and then in the\nspring time went back to the tennis team and played in the tournament. But, not\nas the sixth person and not on the varsity but on the lower part and I won that,\nand Don was I think impressed. He said, well how about you play doubles with\nJoann Russell, and I said great you guys will be the number 1 team, doubles\nteam. I said that would be awesome.\n\nAnd I just got to thinking about it and thinking about and I just decided not\nto. He couldn't quite grasp that I wanted to play multiple sports, and he said\nno, it's either all tennis or nothing. So, I made the decision to not pursue\ntennis after that. And my ankle healed just fine. (laughter) It was just one of\nmany sprained ankles, and no big deal, so yeah. So, that's how that kind of\nworked out.\n\nPASLEY: So, you've had forty years or more to look back on that chain of events,\nhow did you feel about that when you think back on it?\n\nO'NEIL: You know it was interesting. I really thought that my life would be\ntennis, but I learned so much more with the other sports that I played. I don't\nregret at all. I miss tennis every once in a while, I have played professionally\nup here in Colorado, and I've done ok, and I think it was harder on my parents\nthan anything to drop it. I think they were pretty sad about it, but I don't\nregret it at all. I enjoyed the years that I played basketball and my other\nsports, and um, it's very, you know deep in my heart being reflective about it\nand enjoying my time that I had at Trinity playing sports. It was very\ncompetitive you know. We worked hard, you know that. It was a real growing thing\nfor me, so that was good.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: When you say you learned so much from playing the sports, what did\nyou learn that might have been different had you only played the one sport?\n\nO'NEIL: Well you know, I am a much better doubles player than singles player for\none thing, and then so that translates more into team sports. Which, you know\nobviously you've got to be a really good team player to play competitive\nbasketball and volleyball and softball. And, that fit me really well. I think it\nplayed out in the career that I had working. I wasn't a very good teacher, but I\nwas a good coach. When we moved to Colorado I got into the oil and gas business\nand just really enjoyed the interaction and the businesses and companies that I\nworked for. I did a good job being a good team player, and then I got into the\nmedical world the last twenty years of my work career and did well. I think made\nsome good strides with the companies that I worked for.\n\nGood ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"customer relations, patient relations, and I think that played\nout because of my years at Trinity working on a team. I think that has really\nbeen valuable to me. So, and I think too related to my kids. I have two kids and\nthey both have good work ethic, team player, and they both are successful also,\nso it's been fun for me.\n\nPOTEET: I presume your parents introduced you to tennis as a child. Did you grow\nup with instructors or was it just your athletic ability that took you that far?\n\nO'NEIL: Um, hmm, um, when I first started playing tennis, we lived down the\nstreet from what we would now call a rec center. It was public courts and my mom\nsaid you know you guys got to get out of the house--I had brothers and sisters.\nYou need to get out of the house. She signed me up for archery, tennis, and\nswimming, and tennis just came to me. It was very easy for me to pick up. My dad\nwas a really good athlete, he was drafted by the New York Yankees in baseball.\nHe was a very good golfer, and he took up tennis after I started playing. I\nthink it was his gene that I got, that I took to tennis very easily. It was\ntotally God given, from my dad.\n\nPOTEET: Did they have team sports in your high school?\n\nO'NEIL: They did. Not tennis, but they did have basketball and volleyball. I\ndidn't play volleyball in high school, but I did play a little bit of\nbasketball, but I had already kind of started traveling a lot when I was in high\nschool. So, I didn't participate and I kind of missed out a little bit on my\nhigh school, because I was traveling quite a bit at that time with tennis. I was\nplaying all the age groups that I could, so just a lot of doubles, a lot of\nmixed doubles, because I just enjoyed the team doubles better than I did singles\nplaying, so.\n\nPASLEY: Jill, when you get to Trinity, I've heard this story but maybe you can\ntell how Libby Johnson discovered you.\n\nO'NEIL: (laughter) It wasn't any discovery it was just messing around when we\ncouldn't practice tennis I was messing around playing on the basketball court. I\njust remember picturing her up on that second level up on the upper level\nwatching. I think Mrs.\n\nRushing you were there back and forth there too, and she just asked me if I\nmaybe wanted to try out for the team. I said, \"well sure why not,\" you know\nlet's give it a try, and I got in trouble the very first practice because I--\nand I didn't do it on purpose it was totally innocent. I came to practice and I\nhad on these socks that were multi- colored, and boy did I get in trouble for\nthat. For wearing multi-color socks, and I knew then it was pretty serious to\nbuckle down and work hard. So, it wasn't all fun and\n\ngames. It was fun, but it was something to take very seriously. So, yeah that\nwas my discovery, it wasn't much of a discovery (laughter).\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Do you have any other stories about Libby that you recall\ninteracting with her, or her coaching styles, or any specific things about her\nthat you remember?\n\nO'NEIL: I think that what did impress me was that she did let us play with our\nhearts. It wasn't so technical on her end. She did let our individual strengths\ncome out, and I have a picture of Patty (SP). And Patty really ran the team.\nLibby let her do that. I think that was her strength. She let us play to our\nstrengths. Which I think that's knowing your players really well. Knowing what\nthey can do and what they can't do, and then she would kind of direct ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nus with other players to help out our weaknesses, and I think that's the sign of\na good coach. To be able to know your players that well. So, I can't think of\nany other specific stories. I mean it was long, long days and lots of travel.\nBut, I don't know, we all survived and we all did okay.\n\nPASLEY: So, Jill one of the questions, and I think I mentioned this to you on\nthe phone a few weeks ago, we talked to Rookie, and Bachman, and Alison Taylor,\nand Betsy Ascani, (INAUDIBLE) people like that. One of the questions, and even I\nhad the same question, did we know what we were missing, because even though\nTitle IX was in effect, did you consider that we were being treated or had the\nsame kinds of opportunities that the men's team had? Do you remember how you\nfelt at the time?\n\nO'NEIL: I don't remember, I guess I was just ignorant, or innocent, or\noblivious, maybe oblivious is the best word. I don't remember Title IX being\nthat big of a deal. It was not in my mind day-to-day, and I never felt like we\nwere missing out on anything. I know that there were times when we would get\nkicked out of the big gym, you know, and we'd have to go play in the little gym.\nBut, I don't remember ever feeling like we were short changed in anything. I\nnever felt that. I don't if anybody else did, but I didn't have any\nconversations with anybody about oh my gosh, you know we're really missing out\non stuff. I didn't get that. I just felt lucky to have that opportunity I think.\n\nPASLEY: That was not a trick question. The answer was virtually the same for all\nof us.\n\nO'NEIL: Oh is that right? Interesting.\n\nPASLEY: I think we were so happy to be playing.\n\nO'NEIL: Yep, yeah. That's exactly right. You know I felt at times that the\ntennis side of it got a lot more attention. I remember being with the tennis\nteam and going into--what was the big sports store there at the time in San\nAntonio? Anyway, it was a sporting goods store, and of course we all walked in,\nstrutted in, and they recognized us and it was just, it was a different era for\nthe tennis team than it was for the basketball team and the rest of us. But, I\nthink that changed over the four years I was there. I think we established\nourselves in the community and with the other schools, and I think we did ok.\n\nPASLEY: I wonder if that store was Oshman's?O'NEIL: Oshman's! That's it.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, they closed those down about 20 or 30 years ago. I hadn't even\nthought of that Jill until you said it.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, that was Oshman's that's right. Yep, that's what it was. So--27:15\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: If you had come to Trinity a few years earlier, you would not have\nexperienced at all what you experienced. Because, it was only what, 1972 before\nthey even had a team for women. Emily Burr Foster, when they won the\nchampionship, we didn't have a team.\n\nO'NEIL: Right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We just had the two women, we didn't have a team. But it was Title\nIX when they began to get athletics scholarships for women.\n\nO'NEIL: I think, wasn't Stephanie Tollison the first woman that got the tennis\nscholarship? POTEET: No. The first scholarships were Donna Stockton Joann Russell.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, ok, well that was a fun group of people too. Oh my gosh, talented\noh wee. There was a lot of talent there, and Stephanie has gone on to do so many\ngreat things, you know in marketing. I think she was the Williams sister's\nmanager. She managed their lives on the tennis court and stuff. She went on to\ndo lots of good things and I think she was inducted in the Trinity hall of fame\nin 2005.\n\nPOTEET: She won the nationals when she was a first-year student, and then the\nentire team the next year won nationals.\n\nO'NEIL: Ok, yeah, yep. And ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in 2005 they did contact me about being\ninducted into the hall of fame, but I could not attend. My daughter had\nsomething, so if you don't attend you don't get into the hall of fame. So, I\ndropped out, but that's neither here nor there. It's okay.\n\nPOTEET: In 2005 did you say?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah. Mhm.\n\nPOTEET: We're going to pick that up again. (laughter)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Why, what happened?\n\nPOTEET: She said she couldn't attend.\n\nO'NEIL: I think his name was Bob King?\n\nPOTEET: MhmBRACKENRIDGE: Yes.\n\nO'NEIL: He was the one who contacted me, and said um--we had some conversations\nback and forth and I said I'm so sorry I cannot attend and my daughter. I don't\nknow if she was graduating or national honors society, but there was some event\nand I didn't want to miss it. He said I'm sorry you've got to attend in order to\nbe inducted, and I said I'm sorry I can't be inducted then. So, I dropped it.\nIt's no big deal, you know. I enjoyed my time playing at Trinity. I really,\nreally enjoyed it and it's not in me to win those kinds of awards. It's just not\na part of me.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You do not have anybody graduating now do you?\n\nO'NEIL: I do not.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well maybe it's time for a revisit of that.\n\nPASLEY: I don't know. This woman has a tough schedule with her granddaughter.\n\nO'NEIL: She keeps me hopping. We're just about ready to leave on a cruise headed\nto Alaska here in two days. We're taking our kids because my husband and I just\ncelebrated our 40th wedding anniversary last year. Yay, you and Dave, Betsy. And\nwe wanted to do something for our kids, so we're taking them on a cruise, so.\n\nPASLEY: What's your husband's first name?\n\nO'NEIL: Greg.\n\nPASLEY: Greg, okay.\n\nO'NEIL: Yep.\n\nPASLEY: So, one of the things too that we talked about in some of these previous\nconversations Jill is the level of competition. You know we were playing Baylor\nand UT, and I guess two questions: I guess one is how did that feel? And\nsecondly did you ever think I can play on that team, because Trinity, we're just\nkind of second fiddle.\n\nO'NEIL: You know it was an honor to play UT Austin, Baylor, Southwest Texas\nState. There were a lot of really good teams, and it was just rising up to the\noccasion. I think we had enough confidence on the teams that I played on that we\nwere not out matched. We would do okay, and I think we did. I never felt\nintimidated necessarily by the level of competition that we were playing that I\ndidn't feel intimidated. I think it was the comradery within our group. We did\nok. It wasn't stressful, we would just work hard and see what we could do.\n\nPASLEY: So the thought never occurred to you--I'm thinking about like Sue Davis,\nright, she was a great up and coming star, transferred to UT and had a really\ngreat career. Did that thought ever occur for you?\n\nO'NEIL: It didn't. Um, I think I had a passing thought, oh shoot, what was the\ncoach's name at UT that just retired not too long ago? Women's basketball coach?\n\nPOTEET: Jodie Conrad?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah! Jodie. Jodie Conrad. She started at Tarleton State, she wasn't at\nUT when I first started. She was at Tarleton State and she kind of put a little\nbit of a bug in my ear about transferring, but it was in one ear and out the\nother basically. Um, I didn't really think much of it, and it didn't last long\nthat I even would consider going anywhere else. I really enjoyed Trinity. Um,\nyeah, no, I didn't have any inclination to go anywhere else.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Do you remember--I think you played in the game where you beat UT\nhere on the campus. [O'NEIL: Yep] That was kind of a highlight of your\nbasketball career, right?\n\nO'NEIL: Yep. That was my junior year. That was probably the best year of that\ngroup that we had. 1976-77, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we beat UT Austin and that was pretty exciting.\n\nPASLEY: Can you tell us a little bit more of what you remember about that game?\n\nO'NEIL: Um, you know I don't. I don't remember anything specific. It's been too long.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right down to the last minute, you scored two baskets and then you\npassed it off to Patty McVee and she scored.\n\nPASLEY: Not just that, you guys were stilling in bound passes like...\n\nO'NEIL: Yep, and I do remember that, but gosh that was a long time ago. Sheesh.\nBut I do remember the game and that's about all I remember, and I remember them\nbeing very upset about it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You had so many great games. When I played in high school, if I\nscored two points that was a big game for me. So, I remember. I can tell you\nevery time I scored two points, but other than that no.\n\nPASLEY: I just want it to be on the record, that I was in the 35:05 [unclear]\nbecause I scored one of a one and run at Our Lady of the Lake and then they were\nlike well let's go ahead and let Gerhardt play too. I played basketball the same\ntime as I played track, but I had the best view of watching you and Patty and\neveryone else play, so that was fun.\n\nO'NEIL: You know I forgot about Sue Davis too. I was trying to think of her name\nthe other day. Because she married a Davis I believe. Her last name 35:38\n\nO'NEIL: You know I forgot about Sue Davis too. I was trying to think of her name\nthe other day. Because she married a Davis I believe. Her married name was Davis.\n\nPASLEY: No, I think she's married still to Doug Harder. I think she lives in\nGreeley, Jill. O'NEIL: She does?\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, and I have been thinking about it. I have a connection who can get\nme--a lady Alyssa Walls who knows how to get a hold of Sue, and mentioned that\nSue said hello. So, I know how to get with Sue. I want to spend more time in\nColorado. So, when I come up to visit you, maybe we can go both look her up.\n\nO'NEIL: Did she become a doctor then? PASLEY: Yeah, she was an OBGYN.\n\nO'NEIL: Oh ok, hmm. Interesting.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, and had about 3 kids, so yeah.\n\nO'NEIL: My daughter went to Greeley for one year. She wanted to be a teacher and\nthat was the premier teaching school in Colorado and she went one year at Greeley.\n\nCouldn't handle the cow smell. PASLEY: (laughter)\n\nO'NEIL: A lot of cows in Greeley.\n\nPASLEY: Okay. For the sake of time too I'm hoping this is great by the way just\ntalking to you--this is fun. Um, talk about your career. Kind of give us a\nlittle summary over the last four decades.\n\nO'NEIL: So, I left Trinity and went to teach at Alamo Heights High School, and\ntaught there for two years. Coached basketball--was the head coach for\nbasketball and then assistant coach for track and volleyball. And, got married\nright after I graduated from college, and from a guy that lived in Albuquerque.\nI had met him when I was teaching tennis in Albuquerque between my sophomore and\njunior year at Trinity. Anyway we got married and we were taking all of our\nvacations back here to Colorado, and both of our families lived nearby. They\nwere all in New Mexico, and we said let's just move back to Colorado. You know\nwe enjoyed skiing and so we moved back and built a house outside of Denver. I\nnever went back to teaching but got in to the oil and gas business and played\ntennis somewhat down there, not a whole lot. Greg never played, so it was always\nkind of difficult to really get into it. Then we had our son and daughter and\nmoved up to Summit county up in the mountains. We're up high, our house sits up\nat 9200 feet in elevation, so it's very high. We had the winter of no return. It\nhas been snowing every day this week. Yeah, we get lots and lots of snow here,\nbut we enjoyed our wintertime sport. And, our kids ski and they're both now\nliving back here in Colorado, which is really exciting. Then I got into the\nmedical world. I worked for physicians and a surgery center. I worked for a\ndoctor that was on the Olympic team. She was a doctor for the US Olympics. Yeah,\nit's ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"been just a real fun, fun life. We do a lot of kayaking and\nmountain biking. We started running marathons, Betsy not as many as you did.\n\nPASLEY: You qualified for Boston, there's nothing wrong with that.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, we qualified for Boston and then I had a little bit of a meniscus\nissue with my knee, so I quit running, and now we just hike all over the western\npart of the country.\n\nWe do a lot of camping and yeah, it's been so enjoyable. No complaints.\n\nPASLEY: So what kind of work did you do in the oil and gas and medical fields?\nWhat was your--\n\nO'NEIL: I was always an assistant to, let's say the Geologists. So, I assisted\nthe geologist in the oil and gas exploration. It was all exploration that we got\ninto. At that time in the early 80s that's when the oil and gas business really\nbombed in Denver. They were losing companies right and left, so I did jump\naround quite a bit but I enjoyed that geological assistant position. Then when\nwe moved up to Summit County, I got into the medical field and it was totally\nadministrative, just working with physicians. I was office manager to a big\ngeneral practice here in Summit County. I really enjoyed that.\n\nReally enjoyed working with patients and the physicians, not so much insurance\ncompanies, but yeah, just really enjoyed the medical end of it. In retrospect, I\nthink I would've enjoyed getting into the medical field from Trinity, either as\na physical therapists or MA or PA. I had taken Dr. McLeod kinesiology class and\nboy that just really got me interested in the medical end of things. I really\nenjoyed the medical side of my working career. Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: What was your major at Trinity?\n\nO'NEIL: I had a teaching certificate in physical education and then a high\nschool teaching certificate in English.\n\nPASLEY: Okay.\n\nO'NEIL: At Alamo Heights I actually taught teaching and did physical education,\nboth, so.\n\nPOTEET: So, how do you feel that Trinity, and the education at Trinity has\ncontributed to your life?\n\nO'NEIL: Oh, definitely! I think it really prepared me very well for the outside\nworld, just being involved in the outside community. The way we were with sports\nhelped me do a better job in my working career, but the classes I took--I was\nnever very good in math and they looked past that. I think had a good\nwell-rounded education, especially on the physical education end of it, because\nthat was more of what I wanted to do. Not so much on the English side of it.\nThat did help me you know, preparing interviews, and interviewing people. I did\na lot of that kind of stuff in my work career, and I felt like I was very well\nprepared with the English side of it, to do a good job interviewing people. You\nknow, perspective candidates for jobs and good life skills. I think I did have\ngood life skills coming out of Trinity.\n\nPOTEET: Your career sounds like a walking advertisement for Trinity.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, you know I am proud of going to Trinity. I was looking for a\nTrinity t-shirt to see if I still had one for my interview today. I don't, they\nall wore out, but I really enjoyed my time. I felt like I did okay, and it\ntranslated into my later years after I graduated. It was all good.\n\nPASLEY: What Shirley was saying is that with a liberal arts education, you\nmentioned kinesiology, but second semester my senior year you guys were running\ntrack and I probably checked out of the building. I had one class that really\nfascinated me but it was not what I had planned for my life, and twelve years\nlater I found that career and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my last 21 years were in that career.\nAnd in that class I got a C, so it's so neat that we have this broad thing that\nturns into (INAUDIBLE)\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, and you know you get out of it what you put into it for sure. Um,\nand that's how life is. You can gripe about it all you want or you can look at\nthe positive side of things and see what you can do. So, it's what you put into\nit is what you're going to get out of it, and I really felt like that was my\nyears at Trinity. I felt like I put in a lot and I got a lot more out of it\nbecause of that.\n\nPASLEY: You know what you just (INAUDIBLE) said that and it reminded me why it\nwas so much fun to practice and play with you, and I kind of think that's why\nLibby loved to coach you. I don't remember you complaining about anything, and\nthat's huge.\n\nO'NEIL: I probably did. You know it was just fun. It was just fun being out\nthere with everyone and learning. I don't know, not a lot of people get that\nopportunity and I really did enjoy it. I think my dad especially could see what\nI gained from it, and I think he really appreciated it. He accepted that I\nwasn't going to be big in tennis and he saw what I wanted to accomplish and I\nreally appreciated that.\n\nPASLEY: For sure, any other--and you mentioned this before, you didn't have a\nlot of stories, but--and you said some great things already about how Libby\ncoached. Any other thoughts about your career, or as you played sports, or as\nyou're coaching other kids that you learned from that time of working with Libby Johnson?\n\nO'NEIL: I think the biggest thing is to look at the individual to see where\ntheir strengths are. I think I had mentioned earlier that's what she was very\ngood at, and I think that's what I took out of that. Look at the strength of\nyour players. You know as a coach I really wanted to--when I was coaching at\nAlamo Heights I had a stand out athlete. Theresa Mahu, Machu, I can't remember\nher last name, but just a stand out athlete. But you know in a team sport it's\njust not one, it's the whole, it's the group. That's where you've got to learn\nto know your other players, and it's the same thing in a work environment. You\nknow you've got to know their strengths and weaknesses and work around that, and\nI think that's what I got out of--from Libby. She could do that. And she worked\non our strengths as much as our weaknesses and I think that's what I took out of\nthat. I got out of that.\n\nPASLEY: You know another thing that has come up and I'm wondering, or rather\nassuming you've saw this but--I don't remember this--but some of the other\nplayers have mentioned that it was obvious that Ms. Johnson really didn't know\nmuch about basketball and softball.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, I think that's true, but when I started playing tennis in Santa\nFe, my first high school coach was the driver's ed teacher. (laughter). And he\nhad two boxer dogs--that worked--that he would bring to our tennis practices and\nall he did--he had never picked up a tennis racket in his life. Had never walked\non a tennis court, but he could analyze peoples strokes and their serve. He knew\nthe game, not as a player but as a coach. I think that's exactly the way Libby\nwas too. She understood the game, she understood people. Whether she had ever\nplayed it or not, it didn't matter. Having that high school tennis coach who\nnever even--that just astounded me--he had never played a game of tennis, but\ncould tell me or correct me let's say on a serving issue that I might have, or a\nforward hand or a backhand. That takes a lot of skill to be able to do that as a\ncoach. I think that's where I shined, is because she wasn't necessarily an\nathlete, never played the sport, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but she could analyze. She could look\nat other teams and see where their weaknesses are--were, and direct us to attack\nthem that way, and I think that's the sign of a good coach. I really to that\nwith me too, and tried to think of that too. You know you can show up all you\nwant as a coach and you know shoot baskets and free throws, and get four hands\nall you want. But, that's not going to help your team as a coach. I think it's\nthe same thing he had, so.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: What do you think--we've asked some of the other people this--the\nexperience now of a person your age coming to play a sport at Trinity? What\nwould it be if they had not hall all kinds of special training. They wouldn't\neven look at them. They wouldn't just concentrate on one sport, they would be\nlooking at many sports. Do you think that's a gain or loss, or just simply a\nchange in the way the sport world operates today?\n\nO'NEIL: I think it's a sad state. This, it's too money involved in sports these\ndays. Just be the love of the support. You don't see that much anymore. It's\nbased on what am I going to get out of it monetarily. I think there's so much\nmore to gain by multiple sports, playing multiple sport. I mean I don't know,\nthat's a tough question.\n\nPASLEY: You know Jill I was telling Doug that you know we didn't have a lot of\nmoney when I was growing up and there was really no sports, but if today I\nwanted to go play on a softball team I would have had to go through a select\nprocess even to be on my high school team. I would have been shut out basically.\n\nO'NEIL: Right, right. You know so much of the sports now, at least in the high\nschools, they're all clubs. It's all club play, and um, I don't know if that's\nbeen such a good move for everybody. I think it does limit the participation,\nand it discourages mediocre players. I just don't know if that's the best\ndirection to head. It takes the fun out of it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well you know there is a real difference in philosophy in women's\nsports, the AIAW, their philosophy was more of integrating the sports into your\neducation. It ought to be something you enjoy, not just about winning versus the\nkind of NCAA approach of winning. Fortunately for Trinity we were in Division\nIII for most of the modern period, so the level of competition was not quite the\nsame as what it would have been in Division I playing tennis and so forth. But,\nthat whole idea of sport being something that was not based simply on the\nability or the skill of winning. Not that they didn't want to win or not that\nthey didn't want to be good players but that was secondary to these other values\nthat you got out of sports.\n\nO'NEIL: Well you and you see the statistics about how many participants go\nthrough NCAA sports in their life, and how many of them become professional\nathletes, you know few and far between, and then what do they have when they get\nout? Do you have their education? Do they have something in their life that they\ncan go to and be successful at? You know, that's the real question that, um, I\nthink we're missing the boat on with the NCAA mentality of you know, that's your\nlife and it isn't. You have family, you have jobs, you have the great outdoors\nto really and fully appreciate and learn from. It's not all about money. In my\nlife it just hasn't all been about money. So, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know. I think\nyou're right that the NCAA and the AIAW are totally different entities with\ndifferent thought and participation levels, and I think that's good to have a\ndifferent entity in there.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You know on the positive side, I see today that that intramurals\nat schools like Trinity are very good programs [unclear] programs and a lot of\nthe people that wouldn't be playing on teams they do have some experience of\nplaying together as a team in multiple sports you can do lots of things. So,\nthere is a positive side to the kind of experience that you had that they can\nhave something like that.\n\nO'NEIL: Well, my first interaction with Betsy was the softball intramural team.\nThat's where you bet me.\n\nPASLEY: Un huh.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, that was great. That was my--I had never--let's see had I played\n\nmuch softball like here. It was just out in the streets with your friends. There\nwas no organized softball at all, and we started--or I got asked to be on that\nintramural team and you were on it and that was a really fun team.\n\nPASLEY: Are you talking about the co-ed team?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, yeah.\n\nPASLEY: Well obviously we recruited you because you're on of the best softball\nplayers, best athletes. I was hoping you'd tell us about how Potter made the\nrules that guys had to bat opposite handed, remember that?\n\nO'NEIL: Yep, if they were right handed they had to bat left handed. Yeah, yep.\n\nPASLEY: And that leveled the field, and really increased the need to skilled\nwomen players. Because a lot of guys would thrown these weak women players out\nin the outfield.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, absolutely. That was a fun time.\n\nPASLEY: I was going to ask you do you have any other memories of intramurals\nother than the obvious one, playing with me.\n\nO'NEIL: You know I think that was the only intramurals team I played on.\n\nPASLEY: Really?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah. that was the only one.\n\nPASLEY: Well im glad we were able to broaden your horizon. We won the title.\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, and I don't think I ever played on--let's see--I played on amateur\nteams. Like, teams around here, and I did play on a women's softball team here\nin the county. And, we won the tournament in that league, but that was the only\nintramural team that I ever played on.\n\nPASLEY: I'll be darn, okay.\n\nPOTEET: Jill, what do you remember about track?\n\nO'NEIL: Um, Rookie, Rookie Walker. You know, she was my mentor as far as\nrunning, and Rookie and I would run together and I run a little bit in high\nschool. I ran a 440 with a 440 yard dash then. It wasn't 400 and a meter, and in\nthe 8th grade I had this crazy teacher who wanted me to do the basketball throw.\nDo you guys remember the basketball throw and there a softball throw and I did\nthe shotput and that was my introduction to track and field. Then I got to\nTrinity and tried to run the 440 there in a couple of leaps and I just remember\nrunning with Rookie all the time. So, that was my training, she was my mentor,\nshe was the one who got me out there to run. And, that was interesting too\nbecause when we moved to Colorado we took up running, and just did lots of\nraces. A lot of 20ks and half marathons and that was real enjoyable. I never\nthought that I would do that at Trinity. That was a real surprise to me, so\nyeah, that's what I remember--is Rookie.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I had a little bit of a track record for you here, that in 1977\nyou ran the 440 in 60.7 seconds you placed first place in the 440. And then you\nran the 220 at 29.6 and you came in third place.\n\nO'NEIL: I don't remember the 220 at all, that's interesting.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You were first, so I found that little track record.\n\nO'NEIL: I think I told you the wrong time when you had asked me about track. I\nthink I told you 59.9, but it looks like it was officially 60.7 or whatever.\n\nPASLEY: You should've broken 60 I don't know what's wrong with you girl.\n\nO'NEIL: I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, slacker, slacker.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well you know that particular track meet, I think Trinity only had\n3 or 4 people playing and they came in 3rd in the points. That as the only\npeople who didn't have a full track team, that even with only three or four\nplayers, we managed to come in the 3rd place in the overall points, so that says\nsomething about our players.\n\nO'NEIL: That's another thing you ran multiple races, you didn't just concentrate\non one event and that's what you would get.\n\nPASLEY: I loved to run a 880 and they would make me run a 220, and that's like\nthe last thing I wanted to do because everybody was so much faster than me.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I wanted to ask this question and I may have to leave here in a\nfew minutes, in this article that Betsy wrote I was really interested in this,\nwhat Libby Johnson said about you. She said that they considered you one of the\noutstanding athletes that every coach wants to teach in a lifetime. She\nreferring to you, she's one of the two people that I've coached with natural\nability in all areas, that veteran teacher said. Backing her statement with 13\nyears of coaching experience. Do you remember--you don't remember that article I guess?\n\nO'NEIL: I do. I think I have that article downstairs Betsy. Is that the one with\nthe mask? I have the mask.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, no this is a different one. PASLEY: It was you on the bench.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I'll send it to you.\n\nPASLEY: I'll make sure you get.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You have it?\n\nPASLEY: I do, it was a great article.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, okay. My question was this. She said it was two people, who\ndo you think the other one might be? Or is that not a fair question? Or maybe it\nwas somebody that she coached at the St. Mary's. It may have been somebody from\nthere. Only two with natural ability.\n\nO'NEIL: You know who the second person was?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No.\n\nO'NEIL: You don't?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: (INAUDIBLE)\n\nO'NEIL: What's that?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, I don't know who it is. I was just wondering--\n\nO'NEIL: I don't know who it is either. I never had a conversation with her about that.\n\nPASLEY: Well you know that's a failure of the reporter who should have asked the\nfollow up question.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well you wouldn't want to put the coach on the spot.\n\nPASLEY: True, I was probably waiting for it.\n\nO'NEIL: I have no idea You know, Terri Hailey was another, she was a lefty, but\nmainly her sport was basketball but she was so natural. She was really a natural\nathlete. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who she was talking about.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I think it's really interesting that Libby would think of somebody\nin terms of natural ability and being able to adapt to different sports. Not\nsomebody who can say, well they scored more points than anybody else, or they\ndid this. But, the fact that that attracted her she saw that as a quality that\nshe liked to develop in other people. To have someone with a natural ability\nthat she could work with them and allow them certain freedom to adapt and grow.\nI think that says something for both you and her.\n\nO'NEIL: I think does say more for her, because there again she's looking at the\nindividual strengths of a person. Not whether how many points they can score,\nbut what is this persons strengths? What are they really really good at? And I\ndon't know, I think that's a real tribute to her, that she can recognize\nstrengths and weaknesses in all of the players. And, um, i don't know, I think\nmaybe she didn't have the recognition that she should have because she wasn't a\ngood athlete herself, but she had some qualities that just allowed her to see\nwhat she could see in people. And, how they could be better players and get the\nmost out of them.\n\nPASLEY: So, I have one quick question, are you left handed? O'NEIL: No! I\nshould've been.\n\nPASLEY: I thought I heard that, okay never mind.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/transcript/30512/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just want to say at the end of this that those of us\nhere, we really appreciate people like you being willing to talk to us. To see a\ncommonality in these interviews and it's a real learning experience for us and\nwe really appreciate you taking the time to do this. (END OF INTERVIEW)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=3300.0,3600.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Jill_Harenberg_O_Neill.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=0.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Betsy: \"Tell us the story about how you ended up at Trinity and did sports have something to do with that?\"\n\nJill: \"Sure. I grew up in Santa Fe, New Mexico. And started playing tennis when I was a pretty young kiddo, probably 8.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=0.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why Trinity?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=42.0,288.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: ...We might know this story Jill, but for posterity can you re-tell us the story about how you ended up at Trinity and did sports have something to do with that?\n\nO'NEIL: Sure. I grew up in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and started playing tennis when I was a pretty young kiddo. Probably around age 8, and started touring in the southwest area. In 1972 I was still in high school, and um, Nancy Lopez the golfer was playing down in Roswell, New Mexico, south of Santa Fe. She, and this was unbeknownst to me, I didn't know that she wanted to pursue playing golf through their high school. Anyway, an attorney took her case and won the case which started Title IX, and she was able to play on the boy's golf team because they didn't have a women's or girls golf team.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=42.0,288.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Decision to Leave Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=288.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...I guess the question is once you arrived at Trinity then, um, you started playing on the Varsity team.\n\nO'NEIL: Right.\n\nPASLEY: And something happened, right?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah, I had played in a couple of tournaments with the team. 00:05:00We went to Odessa, Texas, and a couple of other places. I believe it was maybe December or January, when it never rains in San Antonio, ever. It was raining cats and dogs and we were given permission to open up the gym floor and set up a tennis net so we can practice inside. In the meantime, I started messing around with a basketball. ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=288.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lessons from Playing Sports","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=515.0,637.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: When you say you learned so much from playing the sports, what did you learn that might have been different had you only played the one sport?\n\nO'NEIL: Well you know, I am a much better doubles player than singles player for one thing, and then so that translates more into team sports. Which, you know obviously you've got to be a really good team player to play competitive basketball and volleyball and softball. And, that fit me really well. I think it played out in the career that I had working. I wasn't a very good teacher, but I was a good coach. When we moved to Colorado I got into the oil and gas business and just really enjoyed the interaction and the businesses and companies that I worked for. I did a good job being a good team player, and then I got into the medical world the last twenty years of my work career and did well. I think made some good strides with the companies that I worked for.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=515.0,637.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction to Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=637.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jill lived down the street from a Rec-center and public courts and her mom would make them get out of the house. 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She signed me up for archery, tennis, and swimming, and tennis just came to me. It was very easy for me to pick up. My dad was a really good athlete, he was drafted by the New York Yankees in baseball. He was a very good golfer, and he took up tennis after I started playing. I think it was his gene that I got, that I took to tennis very easily. 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I just remember picturing her up on that second level up on the upper level watching. I think Mrs. Rushing you were there back and forth there too, and she just asked me if I maybe wanted to try out for the team.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=758.0,939.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Title IX and Treatment in Athletics ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=939.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: ...One of the questions, and even I had the same question, did we know what we were missing, because even though Title IX was in effect, did you consider that we were being treated or had the same kinds of opportunities that the men's team had? Do you remember how you felt at the time?\n\nO'NEIL: I don't remember, I guess I was just ignorant, or innocent, or oblivious, maybe oblivious is the best word. I don't remember Title IX being that big of a deal. It was not in my mind day-to-day, and I never felt like we were missing out on anything. I know that there were times when we would get kicked out of the big gym, you know, and we'd have to go play in the little gym. But, I don't remember ever feeling like we were short changed in anything. I never felt that. I don't if anybody else did, but I didn't have any conversations with anybody about oh my gosh, you know we're really missing out on stuff. I didn't get that. 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And in 2005 they did contact me about being 00:20:00inducted into the hall of fame, but I could not attend. My daughter had something, so if you don't attend you don't get into the hall of fame. So, I dropped out, but that's neither here nor there. It's okay.\n\nPOTEET: In 2005 did you say?\n\nO'NEIL: Yeah. Mhm.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1200.0,1323.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Competition among Universities","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1323.0,1667.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Betsy: \"One of the things too we have talked about jill, is the level of competition. You know, we were playing Baylor and Houston. 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I had met him when I was teaching tennis in Albuquerque between my sophomore and junior year at Trinity. Anyway we got married and we were taking all of our vacations back here to Colorado, and both of our families lived nearby. They were all in New Mexico, and we said let's just move back to Colorado.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1667.0,1955.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Impact of a Trinity Education","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1955.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"POTEET: So, how do you feel that Trinity, and the education at Trinity has contributed to your life?\n\nO'NEIL: Oh, definitely! I think it really prepared me very well for the outside world, just being involved in the outside community. The way we were with sports helped me do a better job in my working career, but the classes I took--I was never very good in math and they looked past that. I think had a good well-rounded education, especially on the physical education end of it, because that was more of what I wanted to do. Not so much on the English side of it. That did help me you know, preparing interviews, and interviewing people. I did a lot of that kind of stuff in my work career, and I felt like I was very well prepared with the English side of it, to do a good job interviewing people. You know, perspective candidates for jobs and good life skills. I think I did have good life skills coming out of Trinity.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=1955.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Libby Johnson's Coaching Style","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=2205.0,2464.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: For sure, any other--and you mentioned this before, you didn't have a lot of stories, but--and you said some great things already about how Libby coached. Any other thoughts about your career, or as you played sports, or as you're coaching other kids that you learned from that time of working with Libby Johnson?\n\nO'NEIL: I think the biggest thing is to look at the individual to see where their strengths are. I think I had mentioned earlier that's what she was very good at, and I think that's what I took out of that. Look at the strength of your players. You know as a coach I really wanted to--when I was coaching at Alamo Heights I had a stand out athlete. Theresa Mahu, Machu, I can't remember her last name, but just a stand out athlete. But you know in a team sport it's just not one, it's the whole, it's the group. That's where you've got to learn to know your other players, and it's the same thing in a work environment. You know you've got to know their strengths and weaknesses and work around that, and I think that's what I got out of--from Libby. She could do that. 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I got out of that.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=2205.0,2464.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thoughts on Sports Concentration, Division III, and Intramurals","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094#t=2464.0,2865.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46041/file/119094/index/48405/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: What do you think--we've asked some of the other people this--the experience now of a person your age coming to play a sport at Trinity? What would it be if they had not hall all kinds of special training. They wouldn't even look at them. They wouldn't just concentrate on one sport, they would be looking at many sports. Do you think that's a gain or loss, or just simply a change in the way the sport world operates today?\n\nO'NEIL: I think it's a sad state. This, it's too money involved in sports these days. Just be the love of the support. You don't see that much anymore. It's based on what am I going to get out of it monetarily. I think there's so much more to gain by multiple sports, playing multiple sport. 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You know, she was my mentor as far as running, and Rookie and I would run together and I run a little bit in high school. I ran a 440 with a 440 yard dash then. It wasn't 400 and a meter, and in the 8th grade I had this crazy teacher who wanted me to do the basketball throw. Do you guys remember the basketball throw and there a softball throw and I did the shotput and that was my introduction to track and field. Then I got to Trinity and tried to run the 440 there in a couple of leaps and I just remember running with Rookie all the time. So, that was my training, she was my mentor, she was the one who got me out there to run. And, that was interesting too because when we moved to Colorado we took up running, and just did lots of races. A lot of 20ks and half marathons and that was real enjoyable. I never thought that I would do that at Trinity. That was a real surprise to me, so yeah, that's what I remember--is Rookie.  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