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It's Thursday,\nDecember 7, 2017. Doug Brackenridge and Shirley Rushing--no last names--may also\nhelp out here. We'll do a joint interview with you guys. So Sue and\nRookie--sorry, I can't help it--can you all think back about why you came to\nTrinity, and was athletics part of that decision?\n\nLUNA: For me personally, it was senior year in high school, and we had come--my\nfamily had come when I was in the eighth grade. I guess that was 1968. I can't\nremember. It was the HemisFair, the year of the HemisFair. So we came, and our\nminister from our Presbyterian church had worked at Trinity or taught--something\nto do with either the university or the Presbyterian church, University Pres,\nright next door. And so we drove by. And all I remember was the tall red walls.\nThat's all I remember. But when it came time to choose a college, I went, \"I\nwant to go to that college. The one with the brick, in San Antonio.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: And I had no idea they had any athletics.\n\nPASLEY: And you were living in El Paso?\n\nLUNA: El Paso.\n\nPASLEY: Did you play sports in high school?\n\nLUNA: Yes, all through high school. All the sports.\n\nPASLEY: And Sue, how about you?\n\nHENDERSON: Well, I was living in Connecticut. My father had been transferred to\nHouston. I made a deal with him that I could finish high school in Connecticut\nand I would go to school in Texas. Which, I'm sorry to say, 40 years ago, I\nthought Texas--\"Uch, Texas!\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: Knowing that in a year, he would change his mind, and he didn't. He\nreally limited the schools that I could look at, Trinity being one of them, SMU\n(Southern Methodist University) being the other. I went to SMU on a day in\nDecember, and it was a day like today. And the very next day, I came to San\nAntonio to look at Trinity, and it was about 85 and the sun was out. I had no\nidea if they had athletics. But I was a little frustrated that they were making\nme go to this state I'd never been in. And they all wanted me to go to SMU. So I\ncame to Trinity.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: And I loved it. I loved it.\n\nPASLEY: Teenagers.\n\nHENDERSON: It was the right decision.\n\nPASLEY: Now, Sue, did you play sports in high school?\n\nHENDERSON: I did. I played basketball and softball.\n\nPASLEY: And Rookie, what did you play in high school?\n\nLUNA: Volleyball, basketball, track.\n\nPASLEY: So recruiting wasn't in there, so we're gonna skip that. This may take a\nwhile, but I was going to ask, which sports did you play at Trinity, and what\npositions did you play? So I'm going to start with Sue, because they're both\ngoing to be long, but Sue, why don't you start?\n\nHENDERSON: I played basketball. I was a point guard. The year that I came to\nTrinity in 1973 was the first year that Texas had five women's\nbasketball--five-man basketball.\n\nPASLEY: Full court.\n\nHENDERSON: Full court. So everybody had come out of six-man, three-on-three. And\nin Connecticut, we had played five-man the whole time I was in high school. I'd\nnever heard of six-man basketball. And I had a friend, Ellen Rhode (SP) who was\na junior or senior at the time, that said to me, \"Well, you should play here.\" I\nwas like, \"Play what?\" \"Basketball.\" \"Okay.\" So I did. I played point guard for\nthem. And then in softball, I was second base.\n\nLUNA: Let's see. I played four years of volleyball and basketball in high\nschool, and track. So volleyball, we ran a 6-2 offense where--nothing like they\nplay today. We stayed on the court for the whole game. And so when I was on the\nfront row, I was a spiker, blocker, and when I was on the back row, I was a\nsetter. And then basketball, I was part of the six-man, run as fast you can and\nstop at the midcourt. So I was a point guard and I knew how to guard. Shooting,\nthat was just like, \"Don't give me the ball. I'm not gonna shoot.\" And then\ntrack, I did the long jump, triple jump, and we ran the 440 relay. And we didn't\ndo another relay--we didn't do an 880, did we?\n\nPASLEY: I don't think so.\n\nLUNA: Just the 440 relay. You wouldn't run further than that, I think.\n\nHENDERSON: Can I inject a story here? I was a Gamma when I was at Trinity. She\nwas an Independent. And it always came down to the very last event to see\nwhether the Gammas would win or the Independents would win. And it was a\n220-yard dash right? 440? 220? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nPASLEY: Probably 220.\n\nHENDERSON: I think it was 220. And it was always me and her. And she was a\nrunner! And I was not! And I would think, \"I should concede this right now.\" But\nI would get out there and run and be looking at the back of her going, \"Oh, this\nis not good.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But this was intramural?\n\nHENDERSON: Intramurals.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And you were allowed to do that then?\n\nHENDERSON: Yes, yes.\n\nLUNA: I was a GDI, a Gosh Darn Independent, that's what we were called, or\nsomething like that. Yes, and we could participate--\n\nBRACKENDRIGE: Could I just ask one more question about your high school? What\nwas the attitude of people that you were an athlete? You were in the athletics\nback in high school; what was the culture like? What did your peers think of\nyou? Or what kind of messages were you getting back then?\n\nLUNA: It was very--the athletes were the elite. It was, everybody looked up to\nit. We were in the paper. Everything we did was followed in the paper. I didn't\nknow it at the time, but through the years, people would say, \"Oh yeah, I\nremember reading about you. You won the long jump at this meet.\" I'm like,\n\"Really?\" I didn't even look at papers, so I didn't even know it was there. But\nit was highly respected.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: From your peers as well as other people? Okay.\n\nHENDERSON: I would say that's the same here, that athletics was very well\nreceived. I came from a very small town, so winning a basketball game in high\nschool was front news coverage. So it was very well received both by peers and\nby the community.\n\nLUNA: And my senior year was the first year they started giving letter jackets\nto females, so we got a letter jacket.\n\nHENDERSON: I did not.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, because later on, that was a problem here in San Antonio\nabout publicity. That's why I was asking that. We can deal with that later.\n\nPASLEY: This question says, \"Who were your coaches?\" plural, at Trinity. And\nwith the exception of track, it was Libby Johnson, right?\n\nLUNA: Right.\n\nPASLEY: So what memories do you have of Libby Johnson? And, Sue, do you want to start?\n\nHENDERSON: The thing that I share all the time is that, honestly, I probably\nwould have flunked out of Trinity without Libby Johnson. I was having a really\ngood time. I was a good kid. I wasn't drinking. I wasn't doing drugs. But I was\nstaying up till all hours of the night, and this lovely lady to my left had me\ntaking all eight o'clock classes.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: And Libby came to me about a week before finals and said, \"You're\ncoming home with me.\"\n\nPASLEY: Really!\n\nHENDERSON: \"And you are going to live with me until finals are over, and you are\ngoing to study, and you are going to pass.\" And I did!\n\nPERSON: Freshman year?\n\nHENDERSON: First semester of freshman year. And we had only started basketball\nin November, so she didn't know me well. But yeah, she really was instrumental.\n\nLUNA: She focused you.\n\nHENDERSON: She focused me.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: How do you think she knew that you were not doing well? Was this\nobvious or--?\n\nHENDERSON: Shirley told her.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: You probably told her.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: It was probably Shirley? Oh, you were the advisor?\n\nPOTEET: I was the academic advisor, and, yeah, we got D slips and F slips.\n\nLUNA: Way to go, Shirley. What a tattletale!\n\nHENDERSON: But yeah, that was really impressive to me, and I've remembered that\nfor years, because what a huge difference.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's wonderful.\n\nPASLEY: I've got goosebumps.\n\nLUNA: My memory of Libby was she kind of became our mother. All the girls on the\nteam, she was like the overseer, and she just herded us, and that we were her\nlittle brood. And I remember trying out for volleyball, because I saw a sign in\nthe cafeteria, in the refectory or the cafeteria. I didn't even know they had\nsports at the time. And so I'm thinking, \"Okay, I'll go check it out.\" I went in\nmy jeans, a Trinity shirt. I had sandals on. And they're full out working out,\ntryouts. So I'm barefoot out there, and they're hitting balls. But I was so\ngreen, I didn't know how to prepare.\n\nHENDERSON: You stayed green for a while.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: That's why they call me Rookie, I guess.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: What was Libby's response to that?\n\nLUNA: Well, actually, that's how I got my name. It was from her. The first\ntournament we had, which was the Lamar University tournament with volleyball,\nout of town--I didn't know that, because we had a school named Loretta Academy,\nand so in my mind I was just thinking, \"Oh, this is some in-town school.\" So I\narrive at the gym to get on a bus, and I don't have any suit (SP), because I\ndon't have ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything with me. And she goes, \"You really are a Rookie,\naren't you?\" And it stuck.\n\nPASLEY: Forty years, 44 years later.\n\nPOTEET: That was going to be my next question, because I knew that there was an\ninstance where Libby had that name, but I didn't know what it was. Before we\nleave, who was your track coach?\n\nPASLEY: Do you remember?\n\nLUNA: Yes, Davis. You remember Davis?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Rick Davis.\n\nHENDERSON: He was a football--assistant football coach. I believe he was the\nfirst one, but he was very busy with other things at the time, so we were kind\nof an afterthought. That was kind of a really rough time.\n\nPASLEY: That, I remember. Delbert Roland (SP), I think, for a while? I was\nreading a story about it and we had three coaches. Because I cannot remember\nthis. I'm not sure why; I have a lousy memory. But we had three coaches\napparently in one year. I think we had Davis, then we had Delbert Roland (SP),\nwho had a heart attack, and then they brought some other guy in who was like\nworking at the Y (YMCA) or I'm not sure? And that's the one--I was telling them\nthe story about how we did an event or a meet in the Valley, I think, and I\nthink we drove down in a big old honkin' LTD.\n\nLUNA: And it was cold. And it was two schools, us and them. And we had to run\nall these--I had to do a long jump with nobody competing with me. I just had to\ngo jump. Because that was going to get us to state at UT (University of Texas).\nThat was really weird.\n\nPASLEY: And I think he had me drive back, which was really weird, because I\ndidn't--I wasn't driving. But anyway, we made it back.\n\nLUNA: It was very different. A very different time.\n\nPASLEY: So you don't remember a whole lot more about the track coach than it\nsounds like I do.\n\nLUNA: I remember going to the state meet and he drove us to Southwest Texas,\nwhich was Southwest Texas at the time, University, and he was dating maybe the\ncoach there? So he dropped us off with her and said, \"Here, take my girls and\nI'll meet you there.\" Well, he didn't show up on time. You don't have to print this.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: I'm just giving you stories. He didn't show up on time. And so we didn't\nknow where we were supposed to report in for this or that. Do you remember that?\n\nPASLEY: Mmhmm.\n\nLUNA: And she was mad. I knew she was mad. And I was feeling guilty. But she got\nus. She took care of us. She said, \"You go here, you go there, this is the time\nyou have to report.\"\n\nPOTEET: Who is she?\n\nLUNA: The coach at Southwest Texas.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: What year would that be? You don't remember?\n\nLUNA: Was that the first year?\n\nPASLEY: I was thinking junior year, so 1975, 1976 maybe? Or spring of 1976.\nBecause for some reason, I didn't see my name in the 1977 spring. I don't know\nif I was doing other things, but I wasn't even on the team.\n\nLUNA: I'm pretty sure it was that year. I just remember it was him.\n\nPASLEY: I think it was junior year. And you made state, and I made state in the\nmile, because we didn't have very good competition down in the Valley. And\nSouthwest Texas, as I was telling them in my last interview, kind of adopted us.\n\nLUNA: They did. Because we got dropped off.\n\nPASLEY: And I never knew about that connection, but--\n\nLUNA: She drove us. We were in their van, the Southwest Texas van. It was very odd.\n\nPASLEY: But we did have the same colors. They were also wearing maroon.\n\nLUNA: Were they? I didn't remember that.\n\nPOTEET: You don't remember the name of the coach at Southwest Texas?\n\nLUNA: No. Single lady.\n\nPASLEY: Do you remember, Rookie, about uniforms, track uniforms? Was there an\nissue with them, or we didn't have them, or we had to have our own?\n\nLUNA: I think we got them. I don't know how much we liked them.\n\nPASLEY: Were they men's pants?\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nPASLEY: I think they were men's shorts.\n\nLUNA: They were like the volleyball players wear now. They were those real, real\nshort ones. And we had never worn anything like that. You don't remember that?\n\nPASLEY: No, I'm remembering some like men's track shorts, that were kind of\nblousy, and in a weird fabric.\n\nLUNA: Weird. I don't remember that. We'll have to find a picture.\n\nPASLEY: It was kind of catch as catch can, in terms of the track uniforms. The\nother sports, I think we were in better shape.\n\nLUNA: Right. Volleyball, basketball, always.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Before we leave Libby, I just had a couple other questions. They\ntalk about her sense of humor. Now, that would be one story. But do you remember\nany other things that you would say--I'm trying to get at her style. One of them\nreferred her to her as a comedian and cracking jokes.\n\nLUNA: And she could be very sarcastic. If you got a little too big for your\nbritches, or too high, she could just--koo! And one time I remember being in her\noffice and she had said something, and I came back at her, like with a joke,\nlike that, and she came right back, and she just--fwew! She could always win;\nlet's just put it that way. We thought we were sharp; she was always sharper.\n\nHENDERSON: I can remember too, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we played at Baylor (University) one\nyear, and I broke my finger and she sprained her ankle.\n\nLUNA: Basketball.\n\nHENDERSON: Basketball. And Libby looked at us and said \"You walked in here;\nyou're walking out. There will be no help!\" Okay! I'm like, \"What if it's broken?\"\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That was after?\n\nHENDERSON: That was after we lost. At Baylor.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And just let me finish on this--did you ever pick up a sense of\nher unhappiness with the way things were going?\n\nLUNA: She was frustrated. She would be frustrated.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So what was frustrating her?\n\nLUNA: You want me to name names?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well--\n\nLUNA: Yeah Dr. MacLeay. She was always frustrated. I know there was a lot of\nfrustration there. That's what I would pick up, mostly.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But by the time you were here, she was assistant athletic\ndirector. It was about 1974, 1975 is when she--\n\nLUNA: Oh, she was assistant? Okay.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I just wonder whether--that you picked up--\n\nLUNA: She didn't talk to us about that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: She was having budget problems and Title IX implementation and all\nthings like that.\n\nLUNA: She talked about it a little here and there, but it wasn't a lot. I didn't\nhear a lot.\n\nPOTEET: I think she was given the title Assistant Athletic Director in order to\ntry to satisfy Title IX.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right.\n\nLUNA: But she didn't have any power.\n\nPOTEET: As far as I can recall, it didn't--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: It had added to her duties.\n\nPOTEET: It added to her responsibilities. It did not add to her salary. And she\nwas doing the work, the administrative work, of all the women's teams anyway.\nAnd so that's what an assistant athletic director would do, and she was already\ndoing that as coach. So it was a title.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. And the Athletic Council or the Athletic Committee, they\nfirst were going to recommend the title Assistant Athletic Director. But the\nlast--there was a change there where they said Assistant Athletic Director of\nWomen's Athletics. Because there would have been a different status--she would\nhave been on the same level as Pete, but as an assistant. This way, she didn't\nget that.\n\nHENDERSON: I would say that in regards to Libby, for me, her office was always a\nsafe haven.\n\nPASLEY: A sanctuary.\n\nHENDERSON: A sanctuary. When we weren't on the court and we weren't in class,\nyou would often find many of us just there, hanging out. And comfortably. And\nbeing able to talk about things that you didn't really share with your own\nparents, but you got an older person's perspective of what you should be doing.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And I saw one article where they said she had all kinds of stuff\nin her office, paraphernalia and so forth.\n\nPASLEY: Did she have a collection of something? You know, the other thing,\ny'all, I was trying to remember, was her coaching style. How would you describe\nher style?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's a good question.\n\nLUNA: I think she was always encouraging. Always encouraging. She wouldn't tear\nus down. She'd get mad. We might look over and she's throwing a towel on the\nfloor or something. But we didn't know why. \"It couldn't have been me.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: I mean, she had a temper, but she never took it out on us.\n\nHENDERSON: I agree with that.\n\nPASLEY: She was a teacher, I think. I recall playing softball, walking on the\nsoftball team, and having never played organized softball before, and just\nlearned so much. But like you say, she was tough, kind of like a tough\ndisciplinarian but not tearing you down. Would you agree?\n\nHENDERSON: She always built you up. I would agree with that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: One thing I noticed in all the stuff that I read was she never\npublicly criticized a specific player. It was always the team. But if somebody\ndid something well, then she made a credit. Would you say that's fair?\n\nLUNA: I'd say that's a very fair assessment. And when you're living through it,\nyou're not really thinking the difference between her and anybody else, but\nyou're just--that's why we were all drawn to her, all the time. Always drawn to\nthe team, drawn to the practice, drawn to her office. Just she had that type of personality.\n\nPASLEY: Coming back to the--because I feel like Libby is part of this next\nquestion--but Title IX, I think it was passed in 1972, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I believe. And\nso when we got here, we were really I guess beneficiaries, being able to--having\nteams to be able to walk on to or try out for. Did y'all feel at the time any of\nthe benefits or the downsides of trying to implement Title IX as a program at\nTrinity, or was that even in your mindset?\n\nLUNA: I think I had an experience with it, but at the time I was clueless. I\ndidn't know what Title IX was. I wasn't paying any attention. But freshman year,\nI think it was towards the end of volleyball, maybe the beginning of basketball\nseason, my freshman year, and Libby said she got Patti Hartley (SP) and I think\nEllen Rhode (SP) and me and some other athletes, and said, \"Go to Dean Grissom's\noffice and tell her what you think about the sports program, because they're\nthinking they might be cutting it for the women.\" And so we went. And I remember\nat that point I'm incensed, because if I'm not playing sports here, I'm leaving\nthis school. And I did tell her that. I said, \"This is like the center of my\nexperience here right now.\" And so we all spoke and shared that and then never\nheard another word about it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And again, about what year was that?\n\nLUNA: That was 1973.\n\nPASLEY: Your freshman year, right when you got here? It'd be interesting to ask\nColeen Grissom if she recalls that conversation, since she's still around.\n\nBRACKENRDIGE: Oh yeah, she is still around.\n\nLUNA: See if she remembers Patty Hartley (SP). I think she was our spokesperson,\nbecause she was maybe a senior by then. Yeah. because she was Hector's age, so\nyeah, I think she was a senior.\n\nPERSON: Does she live here?\n\nHENDERSON: No, she lives in--she's not.\n\nLUNA: Dallas, is it?\n\nHENDERSON: Patty, I think she lives in Kansas, maybe?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Back when you were doing this, both with track and with basketball\nor whatever, how many young women were coming out? How many prospects were\nthere? I've read in certain occasions they could hardly have enough to make a\nteam, but what was your memory?\n\nHENDERSON: I don't remember there ever being not enough to make a team. I don't\nthink there were huge numbers. And also keep in mind that back then, if you came\nand you tried out, you were on the team.\n\nPASLEY: I played on the basketball team one year, to stay in shape for track.\n\nHENDERSON: I don't think there were ever more than maybe 15, 16 people that came\nout. We were not a large group.\n\nLUNA: I don't remember anybody getting cut.\n\nHENDERSON: Nobody ever did.\n\nLUNA: I think they kind of cut themselves.\n\nPOTEET: You mean for track?\n\nHENDERSON: No, I mean for everything. I don't remember there ever being--I think\nit was pretty small numbers.\n\nLUNA: And it would always be the freshman class coming.\n\nHENDERSON: Yes, it would be the freshman class coming in.\n\nLUNA: Because if you weren't in by the freshman year, you didn't come in when\nyou were a sophomore, junior, or senior.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But since she coached junior varsity, she had junior varsity\nteams, in basketball and--\n\nPASLEY: Not when we were there.\n\nHENDERSON: Not when we were there.\n\nLUNA: We were just intercollegiate basketball. That was one team.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, well, at some point, she was doing--\n\nHENDERSON: Maybe later on, but not--\n\nPOTEET: And I can't remember that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's what it says she's doing, but--\n\nHENDERSON: Wow.\n\nLUNA: I wonder what year.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And I think she had a student doing some of that. But anyway,\nthat's minor. But I thought in the track that they had problems getting--\n\nPASLEY: Oh yeah, we needed to have four people to do a relay.\n\nLUNA: And we had four.\n\nPASLEY: And we had four, exactly.\n\nLUNA: On the team.\n\nPASLEY: And so you had sprinters doing long distance relays, and long distance\npeople doing sprint relays.\n\nLUNA: It was Betsy and me and I can't remember the other two. They were freshmen.\n\nPASLEY: Well, Julie Grimm (SP) one year and Cindy Bishop (SP), and there were\nsome other ones.\n\nPOTEET: Was Peggy Kokernot there then?\n\nPASLEY: No, she was two years ahead of us, I believe.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. But I know back at her time, they were having problems.\n\nPASLEY: Were you on the team, Rookie, when Peggy started it? So I think it was\nyou and me and Peggy and a fourth person, maybe?\n\nLUNA: Was that sophomore year?\n\nPASLEY: I believe so. I ran I think sophomore and junior year?\n\nLUNA: Who was the coach? Davis? I can't remember who the coach was.\n\nPASLEY: So kind of along the lines of what Doug just asked, though, so Title IX\ncomes in in 1972. We show up in 1973, so our timing was impeccable. As we were\nthere those four years playing these sports, did you see that it started to\ncatch hold and maybe mature and grow? Or was it four years of struggle? Or how\nwould you describe those four years?\n\nHENDERSON: I didn't ever sense there was a struggle. Of course, I was a freshman\nand what did I know? I don't know that I would say that it really grew in those\nfour years. I think it was kind of constant. We pretty much played the same\nschools and did the same rotations. But I don't think it grew, but I also don't\nthink it was a struggle.\n\nLUNA: I know at the beginning, volleyball, there ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were seniors,\njuniors, and all of those classifications when I was a freshman. And we were\nplaying intercollegiate. We were playing UT Austin, we were playing Baylor, we\nwere playing Southwest Texas, who was number one. And then it did change with\nall the divisions we got into. By my senior year.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: When that new conference came in?\n\nLUNA: Then we were playing more schools of the same population, things like\nthat. But I know we always had enough people. And we always had people trying\nout. There were always new faces every year.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And she had to do the same way of recruiting. Like she wasn't\npermitted to go out and actually do recruiting. It had to be like really--\n\nLUNA: Whoever got here.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: --right here. And announcements in the sub (SP) and her personal\ncontact. Is that the way you--you just walked on, right?\n\nPASLEY: Right. Oh, yeah. I just--mmhmm.\n\nLUNA: Who were interested. And I know I've talked to people through the years\nwho had played and were on good volleyball teams. And I'm like, \"Why didn't you\never come out and try out?\" \"Oh, I didn't know much about it.\" So it wasn't\nwidely publicized.\n\nPASLEY: Well, and part of the recruiting was intramural. So you'd run the\nintramural track meet and you'd see somebody was really good. And I don't know\nabout you, Rookie, but I'd go and try to recruit them for our team. So you saw\npeople who didn't know about the intercollegiate sports really excel in\nintramurals. And I'm sure that was another--\n\nLUNA: It was pretty hush-hush. I mean, looking back at it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: When we interviewed Betsy, she had raised an interesting point\nabout that the very fact that intramurals were so popular, that a lot of the\nwomen would be less inclined to go out for a team that had to practice, and you\nknow, all that.\n\nPASLEY: You had to show up every day at the track if you were on the track team,\nbut if you didn't--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Would you think that would be fair to--?\n\nLUNA: I would think unless they played high school sports, they probably--and\nwere good. If they were just maybe the bench warmers, I could understand they're\ngetting their fill just through intramurals. Because intramurals were awesome.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. Well, Jim Potter had really begun to develop that program\nthen. And of course Libby was the one that helped him start that.\n\nPERSON: I didn't know that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah. For the first year she was here, she was actually doing\nthat. She was doing intramural and extramural. And it was through her and that,\nthat the co-ed program started. I didn't know that, either, when I was looking\nat it, that Jim credited her with helping get the co-ed bit started.\n\nHENDERSON: One of the neat things I think in hindsight, and we probably didn't\nappreciate it as much then, is that at the time we were playing, we had the\nchance to go off and play UT, and we got the chance to go to Baylor and play in\nBaylor Stadium. Whereas today, that would never happen. And Libby had made those\ncontacts with the various coaches that allowed us to go and play, and that was\nreally cool.\n\nPASLEY: You had to go play at Gregory Gym in Austin. And so how did y'all feel\nabout that? So you're playing a top-level program and a Division--well, I don't\nknow what they called it back then--a Division I school. Did you feel way\noutmanned? I know we won one year, but anyway, how did that feel?\n\nLUNA: Absolutely. Freshman year, we played the University of Houston team,\nvolleyball, and one of their players, I don't even know how tall she was, but\nshe ended up on the Olympic team. And she was spiking--she was this close to the\nnet, we were this close, and they were going on our feet.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: I mean, they were straight down. And we all stood--this is a story--we all\nstood in shock on the court, and nobody moved, and it happened like four points\nin a row. And then Libby calls time out and read us the riot act. \"If you're not\ngonna play, we're going home right now!\" So we started moving, but we were\nreally in shock. We were. But UT, we got to where we would play them; it's like,\n\"We're gonna play these guys hard.\"\n\nPASLEY: Now, were you on the team when we won that game against UT?\n\nLUNA: Volleyball or basketball?\n\nPASLEY: I want to say basketball.\n\nLUNA: What year? Do you remember?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I've got that.\n\nPASLEY: I want to say maybe our junior year.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We beat them here, and then they turned around and beat us.\n\nPASLEY: This was the year that Betsy Chenault and Kathy Stidham were with us.\nThese two girls came up from Oklahoma, came down from Oklahoma, for one year I\nbelieve, and they were hot-shot high school players.\n\nPERSON: And tall.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, Betsy was tall. Kathy was just a hot-shot point guard. And I think\nthat was the year we went in Austin and beat them.\n\nHENDERSON: And Austin also had a young lady who was Black, who came out of San\nAntonio, and she was about 6'4\".\n\nLUNA: Basketball?\n\nHENDERSON: Basketball. And ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think you were our tallest player at the\ntime. And, you know--\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: I mean, it was--she was phenomenal. She went off to play in the\nOlympics and then became--well, did not become a pro, because there wasn't that\nback then, but went off to play. And she was phenomenal. So I can remember half\nthe game just being--\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: --in awe.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: This is on our team?\n\nHENDERSON: No. She was on UT's team.\n\nLUNA: They got to recruit.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That the basketball team played the first game that was ever\nplayed in that new--\n\nPASLEY: In The Drum?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: in the Baylor--\n\nLUNA: Really?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. (INAUDIBLE) played that--\n\nLUNA: That was the first--in the new--cause it was new.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That was the first basketball game played in that. And the coach,\nOlga Fallen--I picked this up from their account--was that because UT was so\nsmall. she didn't start any of her big--\n\nPERSON: I'm sure she didn't.\n\nPERSON: Oh, we really appreciated that, I'm sure.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But it said \"unless needed.\" So I don't know. Well that's interesting.\n\nLUNA: Same thing happened--I remember that game--we walked into that huge--and\njust looking up. And again, we kind of froze. We were like intimidated by the building.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Isn't that one of the things about your era was that unlike today,\nthey're playing more teams that are similar, right? They're recruiting about the\nsame kinds of level of--would that be fair? Where back when you were going, you\nwere playing many teams that were scholarship, or that had schools that had\nlower admission standards and could get more people in. I mean, that was always\na handicap for your team.\n\nLUNA: It was a handicap, and yet if they had recruited, none of us would have\nbeen playing. So we look back and go, \"We're very glad we had this experience.\"\n\nPOTEET: And I might interject, since you mentioned Olga, Olga was the Libby\nJohnson of Baylor. She was the great promoter of all sports for women in Texas.\nAnd Libby was a student of Olga's.\n\nHENDERSON: Really? Okay.\n\nPOTEET: And so Libby's greatest desire was of course to defeat Olga.\n\n (CROSSTALK)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: She says that, right.\n\nLUNA: That's why we had to walk out on broken legs.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nPASLEY: Now you know.\n\n (CROSSTALK)\n\nPASLEY: So I was thinking--and we were talking about facilities, and obviously\nscholarship schools, and us playing those with a lot more resources. What were\nthe practices and the other things like? Did we have to compete with men for the\ngyms, or do you remember? What do you remember about it?\n\nHENDERSON: We always practiced in the little gym. We never got to practice--very\nrarely--in the big gym.\n\nLUNA: Not unless they were at a game or out of town.\n\nHENDERSON: Unless the guys had a game and were out of town.\n\nPASLEY: Remember softball?\n\nHENDERSON: In softball, we practiced on the field outside of what used to be\nHigh Rise that's now Thomas (Hall), but all our games were played at\nBrackenridge Park. I was thinking about that the other night; we didn't even\nhave a field to play on here.\n\nLUNA: But we didn't complain because--\n\nHENDERSON: We didn't know any better.\n\nLUNA: We were just happy we had it.\n\nHENDERSON: We were happy to be playing.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You were the invisible team because nobody ever saw you play.\n\nHENDERSON: That's correct.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That was part of the problem.\n\nLUNA: Correct.\n\nPASLEY: Same with track. So I think softball and track suffered because they\ndidn't have a presence on the campus, really. Then again, did we feel bereft of\nstudent support? I think we were just having fun.\n\nLUNA: We didn't know any better. And the people who haunted the gym--you know,\nthey're always there playing or--they would come in and watch our games. We\ndidn't care.\n\nHENDERSON: I can remember the Baylor game. And I don't remember this as much\nabout UT, but Rookie mentioned the building being intimidating. I can remember\nbeing intimidated because there were people in the stands.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: You would play at home, and the team would be on the bench, and you\nmight have a few of the guys that played basketball watching, but that was it.\nAnd so to walk in and think, \"Wow.\"\n\nLUNA: Yeah, \"This is different.\"\n\nHENDERSON: It is different.\n\nPASLEY: Did that help? Did it affect your play or--?\n\nHENDERSON: All I remember about that game was being so outplayed.\n\nPOTEET: Now are you speaking of Baylor or--?\n\nHENDERSON: Speaking of Baylor. I don't remember that about Austin, and maybe\nit's because I expected Austin to be a bigger crowd.\n\nPOTEET: And when y'all played, was Jody Conradt coach at Austin?\n\nHENDERSON: Yeah.\n\nLUNA: I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think we played so many times without a crowd, we just knew\nhow to motivate ourselves. So when there were people there, it was like I\ntotally ignored them. I didn't even pay any attention.\n\nPASLEY: What about traveling? What do you remember about traveling? Did we have\nthe resources we needed? Did people drive? Did we have a bus? Did they pay for meals?\n\nLUNA: We used to drive. We had the cars, so we would rent the cars--or not rent;\nwe'd get the Trinity cars.\n\nHENDERSON: And we would drive.\n\nLUNA: And we would take turns driving. And we always ate good. Libby took great\ncare of us. We just loved going to the steak houses.\n\nPASLEY: Steak and Ale, right? That's what I thought I was remembering.\n\nLUNA: And whatever steak, country steak (SP), or whatever.\n\nHENDERSON: Yeah, we ate well.\n\nLUNA: And we were well taken care of, we felt. Four in a room.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: What about the facilities for changing and training? All that. Hot\ntub and all that sort of thing, what about--\n\nPASLEY: The trainer, Barb (Barbara)--\n\nHENDERSON: What's Barb's last name?\n\nPASLEY: Smith. Was it Smith? Or, Jones.\n\nLUNA: Jones. That was nice. That was really nice, when we started getting\nattention. We could put our foot in the hot tub, and it's helping us, and would\ndo the hot and cold, and get wrapped by them. I don't know who wrapped us\nbefore, when she wasn't there.\n\nPASLEY : Before Barbara was?\n\nPERSON: Maybe Sandy (SP). Champion (SP).\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, before that, you always had a woman trainer?\n\nLUNA: I think Sandy Champion (SP) was the assistant.\n\nHENDERSON: We had a student trainer. Yes, a student female trainer.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But you had to go into the men's facilities?\n\nHENDERSON: It depended what we were doing. If they were wrapping our ankle, we\nused to do it in Libby's office. But if we were using a hot tub or anything,\nyes, we had to go into the men's facilities.\n\nPOTEET: And did Knock (SP) ever work with you?\n\nHENDERSON: No.\n\nLUNA: We said hi to him. We'd always say hi. He was very friendly. But no, he\ndidn't work with us.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And you had to be--again I'm just asking all these questions--you\nhad to be accompanied by somebody?\n\nPERSON: Oh, yes.\n\nLUNA: Or Sandy (SP).\n\nBRACKENRDIGE: And some of the accounts, they had to clear the guys out before you--?\n\nLUNA: Oh, yes.\n\nHENDERSON: Yes.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So again, that didn't--\n\nLUNA: Didn't happen that often. I don't remember--did we go (INAUDIBLE)?\n\nHENDERSON: I think we came from a time when that was a step up from our high\nschool. Because our high school had no training, right? So if you got injured in\nhigh school, you were done.\n\nLUNA: Go to the doctor. (INAUDIBLE)\n\nHENDERSON: At least here, we had Barbara and Sandy (SP) taping our ankles. And\nwe had the facilities, if we needed them. So that was a step up.\n\nPASLEY: I was thinking about like weight training. Do you recall where we did\nthat, and how that worked?\n\nLUNA: I don't remember doing it.\n\nHENDERSON: I don't remember doing it.\n\nPASLEY: Because I think I tried to start doing it for track, but again, I think\nthey had to schedule a time because the football team was always in there.\n\nHENDERSON: I'm sure we would have.\n\nPASLEY: I don't know if y'all remember that?\n\nHENDERSON: We didn't do anything like that with basketball.\n\nLUNA: I never did weight training. Not organized--\"Okay, girls go do this.\"\n\nHENDERSON: And really back then, we practiced three days a week: Monday,\nWednesday, Friday, from 2:00 to 4:00. And that was it.\n\nPASLEY: Do you remember in track, Rookie, did the coach just give us a schedule,\nand then we just pretty much ran our own practice? Is that correct?\n\nLUNA: Mmhmm, mmhmm. I remember that. Every once in a while, he'd be there, and\nit would be those sprint things. I hated those things, that kind of make you\nsick to your stomach. So when he wasn't around, I never really sprinted.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But there wasn't any sense of technique or trying to show you how\nto improve and that sort of thing?\n\nLUNA: He may have, a little, in passing, when he was there. But he had another\njob. This was just a real part-time, part-time thing.\n\nPASLEY: He was a reluctant coach, as I recall. So it was pretty much our own.\n\nLUNA: He must have been busy.\n\nPASLEY: Okay, just want to make sure I was remembering that right. How do y'all\nthink sports has affected you since being at Trinity? Has it been a positive\ninfluence, and if so, how do you think it has?\n\nHENDERSON: Absolutely. I mean, I played co-ed softball and women's softball\nprobably until 10 years ago.\n\nLUNA: Did you ever play on the team?\n\nPASLEY: Oh yeah. Sue and Steve and I were on a co-ed team for many years.\n\nHENDERSON: And that was great. I think it certainly gave us a sense of\nconfidence that we could go out and do that. And it has just always been a way\nof getting to know people and having some fun.\n\nLUNA: And I felt like through the years--taught aerobic dancing by Jacki\nSorensen (SP) with Gail Cook (SP). You did as well. But then after having\nchildren and having to try to get back into shape and finding after the third\nchild, \"I'm tired; I don't want to get back in shape.\" But there was always that\nknowing we just have to be disciplined. I have to be disciplined. And no matter\nhow long it takes--it's just you get in that mindset of instead ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of\nthis telling me what I'm going to do, I'm going to tell this body, \"You're going\nto do this.\" And I would think about the wind sprints, at basketball, and I\nwould go, \"Well, at least I don't have to do that. All I have to do is jog\naround the neighborhood.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: So, \"I can do this.\" I think it just helped with that mental toughness\nwith the athletics.\n\nBRACKENRDIGE: So it'd be something different--if you could project having gone\nto Trinity without that, you felt like that would be a big loss to your total experience?\n\nHENDERSON: Huge loss. Everything.\n\nLUNA: Social, emotional, educational, everything.\n\nHENDERSON: Physical.\n\nLUNA: Physical.\n\nPASLEY: But you notice that was the last thing Rookie mentioned, with your help.\nSo that's a really neat--\n\nLUNA: It's like a given. The physical is kind of like a given, because it's just\nlike the foundation.\n\nPASLEY: Cool. So one of these questions, and I think I know the answer, but I'm\ngonna go ahead and ask is, was it a worthwhile experience to participate in\nsports at Trinity?\n\nHENDERSON: Absolutely, yes.\n\nPASLEY: That's a closed-ended question.\n\nLUNA: Yes. Absolutely.\n\nHENDERSON: The other nice thing about the athletic program is that it brought\npeople together who might not otherwise have gotten together. You were a Chi\nBeta; I was a Gamma.\n\nPOTEET: (INAUDIBLE)\n\nHENDERSON: I mean--\n\nPOTEET: We didn't hang out together.\n\nHENDERSON: I know. Normally, you would have hung out with the group that you\nwere affiliated with, and this sort of broke all those boundary lines. And I met\nfriends of Betsy's who were Chi--she met friends of mine who were Gammas. And of\ncourse this one was nothing, so--\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: We met her friends.\n\nLUNA: Everyone thought I was a Gamma. That they were the jocks.\n\nHENDERSON: But it was nice to have that that inclusion of everybody.\n\nLUNA: Across the lines.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I just played athletics in high school, but one of the things that\nI always carried with me was what you could do together, rather than just\nsomething by yourself.\n\nLUNA: Yes.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That there was something about putting together with a group of\npeople and having a goal. And you may not even like them, you know what I mean?\nPersonally, they might not be your buddies. But they became something different\nto you in that context.\n\nLUNA: Yes, that's the truth.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I've never found a way to replicate that. That you can do a lot of\nother things, and even sports, to where you may be playing golf--you know, it's\na self--or a bowling, that's different--but that kind of bonding, not by making\nyou drink alcohol and sticking you out in the middle of the night. But that kind\nof bonding is--\n\nHENDERSON: I don't remember us, for me, ever being on a team here where the\nplayers didn't get along. We might not have been best friends, but we had a\ncommon goal. We cared about one another. We encouraged one another. I don't\nremember there ever being any tension among the players.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Does that go back to Libby? I keep coming back to her.\n\nHENDERSON: Absolutely. I mean, the fact that we would--\n\nPERSON: She was the glue.\n\nHENDERSON: She was the glue that held us together.\n\nLUNA: Some of the girls, maybe junior year, senior, that they were kind of\nfringe, we wouldn't have hung with them off the court or outside of games and\ntravel, but on the court, they're our best buds.\n\nHENDERSON: Absolutely. When they get the job done, it's like, \"Yeah!\" Rooting\neach other on.\n\nPASLEY: I want to ask a question. If this is out of the bounds, let me know.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Nothing's out of bounds.\n\nPASLEY: Because it's interesting--I was just reading John McEnroe's comment\nabout Margaret Court talking about every woman's tennis player is a lesbian or\nsomething. So we were playing at a time where there were some gay athletes in\nour locker room, that we didn't know, because they weren't coming out.\n\nLUNA: And it wasn't talked about. It wasn't even thought about, at the time.\n\nPASLEY: I was going to ask you, was that even--rather than speak for myself,\nI'll ask you--was that even in anybody's mind? That there was--\n\nLUNA: Not till my senior--\n\nPERSON: (laughs)\n\nLUNA: --no, junior year. Because I was married my senior year. But junior year,\nthere was a young lady who came up to me one time. She was kind of on the fringe\nof the sports. Came up to me one time, and said, \"Well, you know everybody\nthinks you and Sue are gay.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: Really? I never would have thought it! Not like we didn't hang--you know,\nwhen you're at sports, and you're hanging on each other. But really, it was\nnever--of course we all did that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, the guys did that, too.\n\nLUNA: Exactly. But did they ever say that?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Nobody said that.\n\nLUNA: I was like, \"No, I didn't know that.\"\n\nHENDERSON: But I'd say no, I don't think it was ever really an issue. I mean, I\nlook back now at particularly, well, in high school and in college, that a lot\nof friends that I had have since come out as being gay. Doesn't impact me.\nBut ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when on the court, the goal was all the same, was to win the game.\n\nLUNA: That's true. Because when I coached the year I coached, it was one player\nand the player's girlfriend. But I was not really aware of that, for quite a\nwhile. And then when I was, I was like, \"Well, you know--\" There was nothing\ngoing on. There was nothing that was out of the ordinary. So it was like--\n\nPASLEY: \"What difference does it make?\"\n\nLUNA: It is what it is.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: What did it feel like to be taking over for Libby? I mean, what\nwent through your mind?\n\nLUNA: Well, I'll tell you. Shirley Rushing contacted me after I coached at\nJudson High School. I coached and taught at Judson High School my first three\nyears out of college. And I had already planned to retire because they were\nchanging the program. They were sending us from the main gym back into the\nlittle gym. I was like, \"No.\" And then she calls and says, \"Libby's retiring.\nWill you come and coach all the women's athletics and then teach some classes?\"\nAnd I was like--I was thinking about it, and then I got overwhelmed. And I\nthought, \"There's no way I can do that. I cannot replace Libby Johnson. There's\njust no way.\" So I turned it down. And then Shirley a little later calls back\nand says, \"What if you just coached and you didn't teach?\" I'm like, \"Okay, I\ncan do that.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: She's always trying to get the most out of you, right?\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nPASLEY: Negotiator.\n\nLUNA: Still. And then so when I came, I had to fill some big shoes. But, the\nentire--I guess the lady that had been there maybe before me--I guess Libby\nwasn't doing volleyball right before I took over.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. Susan.\n\nLUNA: Susan. And I guess they had some losing seasons and everybody had bailed.\nSo my year, I had a couple of people. Joy--I can't remember Joy's last name. Do\nyou remember Joy? She was a senior when I got in in 1980, 1981. And then the\nrest were freshmen. And they had all played high school volleyball. So I\ninherited a great team, and I just ran it like Libby ran it. I didn't know\nanything else. And these girls, they fought for it. And I think we got second in\nour division that year, which Sul Ross (University) I think got first. But that\nwas just a little blessing from the lord, that he let me do that.\n\nHENDERSON: You look so young. You're so in shape.\n\nLUNA: And then basketball--oh, I'm telling you. And then basketball, when I got\nto basketball, I realized, \"Do you know what?\" I always loved volleyball. I knew\nthat game. Basketball? I just played basketball. And so we went through some\npractices and some games, and it was not good. And some of the team came to me\nand said, \"We need to work on some stuff here.\" And I was like devastated. So I\nturned to my husband and said, \"Honey, can you help me coach the basketball team?\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nLUNA: So he came and he did. He kind of helped me--geared me towards what to be\nlooking for. And he would sit on the bench and he would help me. Because he was\nan alum. And so that's really what got me through basketball, was Hector,\nbecause I did not know the coaching aspect of the game. I could get out there\nand do my job, but--and then track, track was still kind of a left-behind sport\neven then when I got here.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You weren't involved in coaching that?\n\nLUNA: I did. I coached them. I did. And I think we had, oh, maybe three or four\npeople on the team. Another small group.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Because that was one of those sports, the track was, they would\ntalk about dropping that.\n\nLUNA: And it's a good team, now, right?\n\nPASLEY: What's cool is Emily Daum ran cross country with my son at O'Connor\n(High School) and I actually worked at USAA with her parents. Her mom worked at\nUSAA. And so I've known Emily for a long time. And she comes to Trinity, excels\nat cross country, and now she's coaching. And I'm just beyond excited. I think\nthat's why, is you have somebody--\n\nHENDERSON: She's coaching here?\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. The men's and women's cross country, I believe.\n\nPOTEET: When you coached volleyball that year, was Libby the coach the previous\nyear, or Susan?\n\nLUNA: Susan.\n\nPOTEET: You keep asking about funny things from Libby. And what comes to mind\nevery time is Libby's name for Susan was TD. And I don't know whether any of you\nknow what TD stands for or not. It stands for \"terminal degree.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nPOTEET: And the reason--\n\nLUNA: That sounds like her.\n\nPOTEET: And the reason she called her TD was when ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we employed her as\nvolleyball coach, one of the criteria was she had to have a terminal degree.\nThat's when academics was ruling everything. And I was on the search committee,\nand I kept telling the administrators, \"The reason people are getting their\nterminal degree is so that they don't have to coach.\" But I couldn't convince\nanyone of that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And she had never coached before she came to Trinity.\n\nPOTEET: No, but she was a very good teacher, and she had a terminal degree. But\nLibby's name for her was TD.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, when I read a bit about her, I thought that was really\ninteresting that we had brought many athletes in who hadn't played sports\nbefore, but we've never (laughs) brought a coach in who had never coached before!\n\nPOTEET: That's the reason she was employed.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And then the volleyball team quit in the middle of the season. And\nthat was a big blow to the program. And she admitted that they weren't showing\nup for practice. They weren't happy playing. And so they called a meeting and\nthey just said, \"No, we're gonna quit.\" I know both Libby and Pete Murphy were\nvery upset. That's the first time they said that any Trinity team had ever quit\nin the middle of the season.\n\nPOTEET: But I can recall Libby coming in one morning and saying, \"Well, TD was\neating pizza on the bench last night.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nPOTEET: She was not pleased with anything that happened there. And then Susan\nleft here, went on to get her MD, and the last I heard, was a physician in the\nemergency room in one of the hospitals here. Very, very bright and very good in\nher chosen field, but her field was not volleyball.\n\n (CROSSTALK)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And then, is this right, Shirley, that they never replaced Libby\nas an assistant athletic director? They never put that position back in again?\n\nPOTEET: No.\n\nHENDERSON: I was going to say at the time that we were playing, it was\nincredible that we had an opportunity to play basketball, volleyball, softball,\ntrack. And you focused on volleyball for three months, and then you--and you\ncan't do that anymore. Now they overlap and really by the time you're five or\nsix, you're keyed into one area to go. And that was just incredible.\n\nPASLEY: I was telling these guys, at first I was upset, because we really\ndidn't--we had tennis, where you had to belong to the Houston Country Club, and\nthen everybody else went out for volleyball, and that's my worst sport. And so I\ndidn't have high school sports. But if I had been a high school athlete today, I\ncouldn't have afforded to be on a select team for any of those sports, so I\nwould probably have gotten passed over again. At first you think it's a better\nenvironment, and then you think, \"Wait a minute, maybe it's not.\" So we were\nreally lucky to be able to do that. And play--so there was a rule in intramurals\nthat if you were on a team for that sport--like softball, we couldn't play\nwomen's softball intramurals. Now, we could play co-ed.\n\nPOTEET: You could play another. You could play basketball.\n\nPASLEY: Right. And so you were able--if you liked sports, you were able to do a\nlittle of everything. You could be on some varsity sports, do some intramural.\nIt was really a fun time.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: It's almost like--what you were saying, it's like the difference\nbetween general practitioner in the medicine and the specialist.\n\nPOTEET: Right.\n\nPASLEY: The specialists.\n\nLUNA: And the specialists.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And you were the era of the general practitioners, and they're in\nthe era of the specialists. And they're different, and they have different\nexperiences. And there's a lot of positive to what you went through. It's\nharder, but it's just different goals.\n\nPASLEY: Well the other thing is, I didn't start having knee problems until my\nforties. They're having them in their teens now, because they're specializing in\none sport, and overuse, because they're doing it year-round.\n\nLUNA: In one position in that sport.\n\nPASLEY: I think the cross-training probably benefited us, too.\n\nLUNA: You're right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well isn't it also that other benefit, that it allows the\nkind--intercollegiate sports that the women had allowed women who were skillful\nbut not in it just to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the go to the top and win all the time, and to\ngive them that experience and to improve them. To make them better players. But,\nnot winning.\n\nLUNA: Right. And actually you reminded me--sophomore year, we had a girl, Beth,\ncome out for the volleyball team. She had played for Jefferson (High School)\nwhich had a very good high school volleyball team. And she was in training for\nthe Olympics that year. So I remember she was one of these so intense--and she\nwas spiking, and I remember setting for her in one game, and we were going back\nand forth, and I set her a couple times, and she's hitting it in the net,\nhitting the net. And I remember after that going, \"Hmm.\" It just encouraged me\nand us. It's like, \"We're\"--you know, she's not that much better than we are. So\nit was like an encouragement. She really upped our game, for sure.\n\nBRACEKNRDIGE: But then did she only stay there the one year?\n\nLUNA: Yeah, and she didn't make the trials. I think she was a little short.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah she didn't make the finals of the Olympics. She got into the\ntryouts, but she didn't make it, yeah.\n\nPASLEY: I'm even trying to remember--and I don't know if you guys do--so we had\n(Kathy) Stidham and Chenault for that one year. And do you remember where they\nwent, and why they didn't last more than a year?\n\nLUNA: I don't remember where they went.\n\nPASLEY: I don't either. Yeah, so it kind of made me wonder if you have like a\nfive-star athlete or whatever they would call them today, would they have liked\nplaying at Trinity? It's almost more of a humbling experience, than it is a\nchampionship experience.\n\nLUNA: Do you remember Cynthia (SP last name) from freshman year? She played volleyball.\n\nPASLEY: Cynthia Rodriguez (SP)?\n\nLUNA: Cynthia Hickson (SP)? Cynthia Hicks (SP)? She was one of these--she looked\nlike a Barbie doll. She was absolutely gorgeous with not a stitch of makeup on.\nI mean, just her coloring. And she was a good volleyball player. And I remember\nby the end of the year, she had dated every male on campus and she went to UT\nbecause it wasn't big enough here, and she did end up marrying the quarterback\nof the football team.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: Wow.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's a success, huh?\n\nPERSON: Another success story.\n\nPASLEY: So another example is Sue Davis, right? You remember? She played, she\nran track. She was an excellent track athlete. And I think she played basketball?\n\nLUNA: She played basketball. She did.\n\nPASLEY: Because she came out of Galveston with a 3-on-3. But I think she ran\nwith us that one year. Again, it was our sophomore year. And then she goes to UT\nand she has a really good track and field career.\n\nLUNA: Yeah that's right, I do remember that.\n\nPASLEY: So we did have some flashes in the pan, so to speak. That may not be the\nright term. But anyway, we had some very high quality athletes. And then we had\nhigh quality athletes who stayed, like these guys. But anyway. So, time check.\nWe've gone--it's 3:15.\n\nPOTEET: We need to talk to them a bit about what they have done since they left here.\n\nPASLEY: So kind of in the next 30 seconds or so, could you wrap up 44 years?\n\nBACHMAN: Go ahead, you go first.\n\nLUNA: Let's see. Graduated, coached and taught for three years of public school,\none year at Trinity. And that whole year I was at Trinity coaching for Libby, I\nwas pregnant with my first child. So end of the year, track season arrives; I\nactually sent Hector on the bus to take it, because I thought I might be\ndelivering any day. So then I didn't come back. They had asked me to stay.\nDidn't come back to Trinity. Had three children, homeschooled all three of them\nthrough high school. And then went to work, volunteer work at church, and then\ngot hired at my church for a few years. And then--\n\nPOTEET: Aerobic dance.\n\nLUNA: Aerobic dancing throughout that whole time. And then my oldest daughter\nwas married, got married, had a baby, and when Evan was six months old, I became\nfull-time nana. So I did that for six and a half years, five and a half years,\nuntil he went to school. And I've just been kind of volunteering at church,\ndoing a lot of things like that. Not playing a lot of sports, just trying to\nkeep in shape on my own, working out and keeping in shape. And through the\nyears--a college roommate here for a year--and through the years, we would do\nthings, but we really weren't close until recently, really recently, when Hector\ngot sick. My husband Hector got sick with cancer, which was diagnosed right\naround December, end of December, last December. And then it was like this woman\nwas everywhere. \"You need food? You need this?\" Even though I said, \"No,\" she's\nstill there. She's bringing food. She's visiting the hospital. And so it was\nnon-stop over this last nine, ten months. And so that's been really fun, too.\n\nPASLEY: Well, the sacrifice of her going to Hawaii with you.\n\nLUNA: I know. Well--she'll have to tell you that story.\n\nHENDERSON: Well, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=3300.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/transcript/30526/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was on an airplane coming back from visiting my\nsister, and I got a text that said, \"I've been invited to Hawaii, and I've been\nasked to bring a friend. Would you be my friend?\" And it came from her. And\nHector and Rookie were in our wedding, and I was in her wedding. I wasn't\nmarried at the time. And so when Hector got sick, my husband said to me, \"You\nneed to do whatever you can for her.\" And I said, \"Okay, not problem.\" So I came\nhome, and I said, \"Babe, I don't know how to tell you this: I have to sacrifice.\nI have to go to Hawaii with Rookie.\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: And so we went, at the end of October. It was awesome. It's great. So\nwhat have I done? I graduated from Trinity. I taught for one year. It was the\nabsolute worst experience of my life. I came back to Trinity and got a master's\nin counseling and guidance and went to work for a communications company called\nHarte Hanks and worked in human resources for about 10 years.\n\nPASLEY: And you were my client for a while.\n\nHENDERSON: Yes, I was. Had my first child in 1985 and left my job to be a\nfull-time mother. Did that till--he has a younger sister--until she was in\nmiddle school, and I went back to work part-time for Sally Foster, and did that\nfor about--it was supposed to be a three-month job commitment; it lasted about\nsix years. And then in 2010, my husband and I started attending a church in the\nBulverde area, and I got asked to lead mission teams to Uganda. And so I've been\ndoing that every year since then, sometimes more than one trip. So doing all the\nplanning and organizing and--\n\nLUNA: She was volunteering to hand out bulletins. Seriously.\n\nHENDERSON: I did, seriously. I met--\n\nLUNA: And they said, \"Will you overtake the mission trips with Uganda?\"\n\nHENDERSON: Yeah, I went to meet with them to say I'd like to get more involved,\nand I thought she's gonna say, \"Hand out the bulletins on Sunday.\" \"How'd you\nlike to take over the Uganda mission?\"\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nHENDERSON: And that takes a lot of time to get organized and get everybody\nready. And then I volunteer out at a restaurant that the church owns, so I do\nthat. And I have two grandchildren, so I do that.\n\n(END OF INTERVIEW)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=3600.0,3900.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Lynn_Walker_Luna_and_Sue_Bachman_Henderson.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=0.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: This is Betsy Gerhardt Pasley, 1977, interviewing Sue Bachmann Henderson and Lynn Walker Luna, alias “Rookie,” also 1977 graduates. It’s Thursday, December 7, 2017.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=0.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why Lynn Walker Luna came to Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=38.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...So Sue and Rookie--sorry, I can't help it--can you all think back about why you came to Trinity, and was athletics part of that decision?\n\nLUNA: For me personally, it was senior year in high school, and we had come--my family had come when I was in the eighth grade. I guess that was 1968. I can't remember. It was the HemisFair, the year of the HemisFair. So we came, and our minister from our Presbyterian church had worked at Trinity or taught--something to do with either the university or the Presbyterian church, University Pres, right next door. And so we drove by. And all I remember was the tall red walls. That's all I remember. But when it came time to choose a college, I went, \"I want to go to that college. The one with the brick, in San Antonio.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=38.0,93.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why Sue Bachman Henderson Came to Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=93.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: And Sue, how about you?\n\nHENDERSON: Well, I was living in Connecticut. My father had been transferred to Houston. I made a deal with him that I could finish high school in Connecticut and I would go to school in Texas. Which, I'm sorry to say, 40 years ago, I thought Texas--\"Uch, Texas!\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=93.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sports at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=167.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...This may take a while, but I was going to ask, which sports did you play at Trinity, and what positions did you play? So I'm going to start with Sue, because they're both going to be long, but Sue, why don't you start?\n\nHENDERSON: I played basketball. I was a point guard. The year that I came to Trinity in 1973 was the first year that Texas had five women's basketball--five-man basketball.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=167.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Extracurricular Influence in Athletics","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=282.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HENDERSON: Can I inject a story here? I was a Gamma when I was at Trinity. She was an Independent. And it always came down to the very last event to see whether the Gammas would win or the Independents would win. And it was a 220-yard dash right? 440? 220?\n\n00:05:00\nPASLEY: Probably 220.\n\nHENDERSON: I think it was 220. And it was always me and her. And she was a runner! And I was not! And I would think, \"I should concede this right now.\" But I would get out there and run and be looking at the back of her going, \"Oh, this is not good.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=282.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"High School Attitudes Towards Athletes","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=328.0,411.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENDRIGE: Could I just ask one more question about your high school? What was the attitude of people that you were an athlete? You were in the athletics back in high school; what was the culture like? What did your peers think of you? Or what kind of messages were you getting back then?\n\nLUNA: It was very--the athletes were the elite. It was, everybody looked up to it. We were in the paper. Everything we did was followed in the paper. I didn't know it at the time, but through the years, people would say, \"Oh yeah, I remember reading about you. You won the long jump at this meet.\" I'm like, \"Really?\" I didn't even look at papers, so I didn't even know it was there. But it was highly respected.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=328.0,411.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Coaches at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=411.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: This question says, \"Who were your coaches?\" plural, at Trinity. And with the exception of track, it was Libby Johnson, right?\n\nLUNA: Right.\n\nPASLEY: So what memories do you have of Libby Johnson? And, Sue, do you want to start?\n\nHENDERSON: The thing that I share all the time is that, honestly, I probably would have flunked out of Trinity without Libby Johnson. I was having a really good time. I was a good kid. I wasn't drinking. I wasn't doing drugs. 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We never got to practice— very rarely in the big gym\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=1971.0,2112.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Traveling with Women’s Ahletics","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2112.0,2324.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: What about traveling did you um what do you remember about traveling? Did we have the resources we needed?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2112.0,2324.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Influence of Sports at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2324.0,2629.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: How do you how do y’all think sports has affected you since being at Trinity? Has it been a positive influence and if so how do you think it has?\n\nHENDERSON: Absolutely.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2324.0,2629.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thoughts Regarding Attitudes Towards Gay Athletes at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2629.0,3485.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: So we were playing at a time where there were some gay athletes in our locker room that we didn’t know because they weren’t coming out.\n\nLUNA: And it wasn’t talked about.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=2629.0,3485.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Wrapping it Up","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=3485.0,3744.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105/index/48414/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LUNA: Let’s see, graduated, coached and taught for three years of public school, one year at Trinity.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46049/file/119105#t=3485.0,3744.0"}]}]}]}