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My name\nis Betsy Gerhardt Pasley. I was a 1977 graduate. And Shelley, I was also a\nsoftball player and ran some track while I was there in the 1970s. We also have\nDouglas Brackenridge. Raise your hand, Doug. Doug is a Professor Emeritus from\nthe Department of Religion from 1962 to 2002. And also Shirley Rushing Poteet,\nand she was the Associate Professor in the Department of Physical Education from\n1960 to 1995 and a department chair from 1985 to 1995. So, our interviewee today\nis Shelley Story. And Shelley, were you the class of 1996?\n\nSTORY: 1994.\n\nPASLEY: 1994? Oh, perfect. And a softball player. As I understand it, a pitcher\nand a catcher. Is that right?\n\nSTORY: Yes. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: We're going to ask you about that. That's the formal introduction,\nShelley. I sent you, I think, a list of some sample questions, and then there's\na couple about maybe facilities and also your injury that we read about that\nwe'd like to ask you about. But let me just kind of start at the end, at the\nbeginning, because we want to at some point catch up with what you've been doing\nsince 1994. And that is, what do you do today? What do you fill your day with?\n\nSTORY: I am the Dean of Students at Southwestern University in Georgetown.\n\nPASLEY: I did not know that. That's pretty awesome!\n\nSTORY: I know a lot more about Title IX now than I did when I was an undergraduate.\n\nPASLEY: You can help us with that, too. Do you know Glada Munt?\n\nSTORY: Yes, I do.\n\nPASLEY: She was an early athlete. Doug and Shirley, I think, had a really great\ninterview with her a few years ago as part of this project.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I went up to Southwestern. I interviewed her up there.\n\nPOTEET: I wasn't there, but Glada was one of my physical education majors and\nshe was also my advisee. So I knew her very well for four years.\n\nSTORY: That's fantastic. Yeah, she was the Director of Intercollegiate Athletics\nat Southwestern until January of this year.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, she retired?\n\nSTORY: Yes. Actually, I think this spring semester, she was on kind of a phased\nretirement. So she was still technically working this semester, but I didn't see\nher because of the situation that we're in now, obviously.\n\nPASLEY: I love Southwestern. I've got lots of friends who went there. That's\nfabulous. Later, we want to get to how you ended up where you are today, but if\nyou can harken back, how did you come to Trinity? What appealed to you about it?\nAnd also, did athletics play a role?\n\nSTORY: Athletics did not play a role, because my high school did not have a\nsoftball team. So I played Little League, and I had no idea that intercollegiate\nathletics was even an option for me. I ended up at Trinity. My dad was a TCU\n(Texas Christian University) graduate and diehard TCU fan and I think really\nhoped that I would be headed in that direction. And basically TCU and Trinity\nwere my only two schools that I even considered. I had a biology teacher who I\njust adored who was a Trinity grad, and I heard about Trinity from her.\nOtherwise I don't think I would have known about it. And I came down to a\nTrinity in Focus weekend and just fell in love with the campus immediately and\nknew from the moment I stepped foot on campus that that's where I was supposed\nto be. And I was right.\n\nPASLEY: Where did you go to high school, Shelley?\n\nSTORY: Midway High School in Hewitt, Texas.\n\nPASLEY: Remind me where Hewitt is?\n\nSTORY: It's just south of Waco.\n\nPASLEY: Baylor wasn't in the--?\n\nSTORY: Baylor was not in the equation.\n\nPASLEY: Now, Shirley has some Baylor roots, so I want to be careful here.\n\nPOTEET: Okay, you did not have a softball team in high school?\n\nSTORY: No, we did not.\n\nPOTEET: Your high school was heavy in basketball, wasn't it?\n\nSTORY: Yes, and in every sport, I think. And now they have a fantastic softball\nteam that wins state and sometimes goes to the national championships. But in\nthe 1990s, we didn't have--or I guess for me, it was the 1980s--we didn't have a\nsoftball team at all.\n\nPASLEY: Did you play Little League with the boys?\n\nSTORY: No, I played with girls.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nPASLEY: So y'all played Little League softball, but you didn't have a\nschool-sponsored softball team?\n\nSTORY: Exactly. Yeah, so I played with people who went to school with me and\npeople who lived in the area but went to other schools. But I guess the reason I\nsay that is there were no scouts there. Nobody was coming to look for the\npurpose of finding athletes for a college team.\n\nPOTEET: And how long did your Little League last?\n\nSTORY: I only played for three years. I was a gymnast as a younger child and so\nI didn't start Little League until I was 13, and then it ended when you\nturned--I guess it was maybe when I turned 16. So I played from 13 to 16.\n\nPASLEY: So, what did you do between 16 and getting to Trinity?\n\nSTORY: I don't remember.\n\nPASLEY: That's okay. A lot of us don't.\n\nSTORY: I did a lot of non-athletic things--theater and that kind of stuff. But I\nthink I probably just did kind of generic running and workout kind of stuff.\n\nPASLEY: So let's fast forward. 1990--would that be the semester you got to Trinity?\n\nSTORY: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: How did you find out about softball?\n\nSTORY: I did not find out about it until the spring. To the best of my\nrecollection, one spring day I knew that they were playing on campus and I\nwanted to see them play, so I went to the softball field and watched. And I\nremember thinking, \"I'm at least as good as these people, so I could be on this\nteam.\" And I don't remember how I got--I think I probably reached out to the\ncoach, but somehow I figured out if there was a possibility to walk on and did\nsome kind of tryout, and then I started playing on the team my sophomore year.\n\nPASLEY: Okay, so you didn't get to play your freshman year.\n\nSTORY: No.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Who was your coach when you first came?\n\nSTORY: When I first came, it was Teresa Machu, and then she left. I think she\nleft after my sophomore year. And then Becky Geyer came in as the women's\nbasketball coach and they kind of had her also be the softball coach, which was\nan interesting situation. So those seasons overlapped, so for our preseason and\neven the first bit of our real season, we had an assistant coach. I don't\nremember his name. But he ran practices and ran the games until basketball\nseason was over, and then Coach Geyer would come be the coach.\n\nPOTEET: Was it Jerry Smetzer?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, he was earlier. Jerry was much earlier.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, I think Gerald picked up after Libby Johnson left in (INAUDIBLE).\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, in the 1980s.\n\nPASLEY: So, we're trying to get our coaches figured out here, Shelley, so bear\nwith us.\n\nSTORY: This guy was young, and I believe he was only there my junior year, and\nthen he did not get rehired for the next year.\n\nPASLEY: So you weren't recruited; you walked on. Interesting. And also was that\nthe first year that the new softball field had opened? Do you recall?\n\nSTORY: I don't know.\n\nPASLEY: You may not even have known that when you arrived there. Because it was\non the lower campus, right?\n\nSTORY: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: Well, you timed it perfectly, by the way, Shelley. (laughs)\n\nSTORY: (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Part of our story is up until 1990--I believe that was when the new\nfields were dedicated--we didn't even have a field on campus. We really didn't\nhave a practice field. We were usually playing at Brackenridge Park. So no, your\ntiming was impeccable.\n\nSTORY: Maybe that's why I went to see a game that spring. Maybe I had heard that\nthe field was new and I wanted to see it.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, that's pretty cool. So had they not had that field, you may not\nhave known about it, or it would have been harder to find out.\n\nSTORY: Yeah, it's possible.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So 1990-1991 would have been your first year on the team?\n\nSTORY: That was my first year at Trinity, but I wasn't on the team yet.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, so 1990-1991, you weren't playing?\n\nSTORY: Correct.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, because I see they had a game they lost 32 to nothing.\n\nSTORY: (laughs) That might have been the one that I saw where I said, \"Hey, I\ncould be on this team.\" (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: So you were able to talk to Teresa, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who by the way we\ninterviewed the other day. That was a real treat.\n\nSTORY: Oh, really?\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, this has been a fun travel back in time for some of us. But yeah,\nshe's doing great with a local school district here. So you walked on then, your\nsophomore year, I guess spring. So tell us, how did that go? What was the season\nlike? What was the competition, the teammates, that kind of stuff?\n\nSTORY: I remember it was a small team. We did not have a lot of subs. I don't\nthink we\n\nwon a game. I remember feeling like I had never left. It was very easy to\nintegrate and pick up. Of course it helped that I was a pitcher, and at that\ntime, I was the only windmill pitcher that they had. The other pitcher was a\nslingshot pitcher. So I was pretty quickly the fastest pitcher available for any\ngame, which made it nice. (laughs) I mean, I didn't walk on and have a ton of\ncompetition; I walked on, and they were like, \"We need you. Let's get to work.\"\nI made friends on the team who were people I hadn't yet met at Trinity. And it's\nthe kind of place where you feel like you know everyone and then you end up in a\nsituation like that and you realize, oh, there were people that I had never even\nmaybe crossed paths with to this point. So a very different friend group,\ndifferent set of connections. And I remember just being really happy to be back\non the field.\n\nPASLEY: Now, what other things did you do on campus? When you talk about a\ndifferent set of friends, and we hear this a lot, what were some of your other\nactivities and your other friendship groups, I guess?\n\nSTORY: I was a mentor for I think my sophomore, junior and senior years. I was\nan RA (Resident Assistant) my senior year. I was very involved in what was then\ncalled ARHS, the Association of Residence Hall Students, so I was an officer my\nsophomore and junior years. I was a French major, so I did some things with the\nFrench--I don't remember if it was called the French Club or--but I remember\ndoing some extracurricular things related to French.\n\nPOTEET: Were you in a social club?\n\nSTORY: You mean like a sorority? No. I was in Alpha Phi Omega, the service fraternity.\n\nPASLEY: Did you take any religion courses from Dr. Douglas Brackenridge?\n\nSTORY: I did not! (laughs)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, you were lucky.\n\nSTORY: I took a religion course from Mary Ellen--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Ross.\n\nSTORY: Ross, yes. I loved that course. She was a good teacher.\n\nPASLEY: It's always fun to get stories of students who had Doug, so I always try\nto get some of those out of there.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I always hung out down at the gym, played a lot of racquetball.\nWell, let's see, by the time the new gym was in, there were only a couple of\nracquetball courts. But I spent a lot of time down there.\n\nSTORY: You look very familiar, and that might be why, because I also played a\nlot of racquetball.\n\nPASLEY: Cool. Yeah, as did I, back in the day, when I had knees. This is one of\nthe projects where I dug in deep for Doug because he's used a lot (SP) of people\nfor us to go through like Trinitonian articles, which sadly are really the only\nrepository for how our teams did back in the day. And the 1990s seemed pretty\ntough. How do you look back on that? Or do you even remember how you felt at the\ntime with a winless season and those kinds of things?\n\nSTORY: I don't remember caring that much. I think I would have loved to win\n(laughs), but we felt like such a ragtag bunch of players. I didn't think of it\nin terms of Title IX back then, but I definitely think we were under-resourced.\nI don't think we did any recruiting. I don't know how we got our new  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nplayers. Someone must have been talking to them, because we had a few new\nplayers each year. But softball definitely felt like the least important thing\non the list in athletics. And for me, losing was--I mean, I was always having\nfun. I think honestly as a pitcher, you get to handle the ball every play. If I\nwasn't pitching, I was catching. And so it was really the playing that was fun\nfor me, and getting to have a regular physical activity incorporated into my\nlife that also included a team that I really liked. And we got to travel now and\nthen. And kind of just I don't remember caring that much about losing, actually.\n\nPASLEY: What do you remember about your coaches, back then?\n\nSTORY: I remember Coach Machu was just a little ball of energy. I really liked\nher. She was so positive. She wasn't the kind of coach who would get mad when\nyou lost. She was always looking to correct what went wrong without making you\nfeel like it was your fault. And I was sad to see her go. I think if she had\nstayed those next few years, we probably could have put together a better season\nby my senior year. Coach Geyer I really liked as well, but she was just absent\nfor a lot of the time because basketball was her main job, and so that was\nfrustrating. The assistant coach who I mentioned, that I think was only there\nfor one year I'm pretty sure, I didn't love his decision-making. (laughs) I\ndon't remember him being negative either, but, you know, he put me in the\nposition to catch. We would play double headers and he would make me catch the\nfirst game and pitch the second game, which is not a good strategy. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Wow. I'm thinking your knees are going to be already pretty frozen from\nthat first game.\n\nSTORY: They crack and pop a lot these days. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Welcome to the club, right?\n\nSTORY: (laughs)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Shelley, can I read to you what Teresa Machu said about you?\n\nSTORY: Sure. I hope. I mean, do I want to hear it? (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: It's good.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: The team posted a one-win-13-loss-one-tie for the year, but she\nsays--I'm quoting Teresa back at the time--\"She described sophomore Shelley\nStory as the most consistent pitcher on the team. 'Shelley had a great\npersonality. She had a side of her that helps everyone relax and have a good\ntime. It must be her laugh'\" is what she said. And then it goes on to say all\nthe things you did: campus activities, residence hall mentor, campus tour guide.\nAnd then you were national communications coordinator for the ARHS, is that\nright? And traveled to other schools and so forth. So Teresa thought very highly\nof you. You ought to know that.\n\nSTORY: Thank you. That's very good to hear.\n\nPASLEY: One of the things when I was re-reading this is that at least the story\nline that was in probably the Trinitonian was that Teresa was burned out. And I\nthink she was also coaching maybe volleyball? Is that possible?\n\nSTORY: No, Julie Jenkins was volleyball.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Basketball, I think?\n\nPOTEET: I think it was basketball.\n\nPASLEY: Okay, so Geyer came and replaced her in both basketball and softball, right?\n\nSTORY: I don't (INAUDIBLE) that, but I guess so.\n\nPASLEY: But I guess what I'm asking--and we were kids back then, right? But it\nsounds like Teresa was holding a really positive façade?\n\nSTORY: Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: Does the point of her maybe being burned out seem plausible?\n\nSTORY: I mean, yes, knowing what I know now as an adult. But she certainly\ndidn't let me see it then. I don't even remember that she was the basketball\ncoach, whereas I remember very clearly that Coach Geyer was the basketball\ncoach, because I could feel that her priority was there. So if Machu was\ncoaching both, she was doing a really good job of giving us all attention.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nPOTEET: Let me intersperse here. Teresa came from a very well-rounded\nbackground. She played everything at Trinity, and she was interested in\neverything. And Becky was recruited as a basketball coach. And so I think\nsoftball was kind of an add-on that she might not have known about until she got\nhere. That may explain a little of it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I think the other thing about the time she was coaching and\nShelley was there was the coaches were still underpaid. They weren't getting a\nlot of support. It was only really toward the end of your career there where\nthey got into a conference and they began to have full-time coaches and things\ngreatly improved. So you were there at the end when you see a long series of\nlosing seasons and not a lot of interest. There wasn't a lot of interest in the\nsports. And I think that was part of what was happening there at that time. But\nwhat she would say to the Trinitonian was always upbeat. She would say that it\nwasn't the winning and losing but the seeing players improve and to see team\nspirit and that was important to her. So it seemed like that was a plus for her.\nBut it was a pretty hard road to hoe back then.\n\nSTORY: Yeah. And I don't get me wrong; I absolutely loved Coach Geyer as well.\nShe was a fantastic coach. I think we just knew at the time that she had more\nresponsibility than a human being should have to have. And it made sense. I\nmean, basketball was in season when it was our preseason, so there wouldn't be\nany reason for her to come to a practice when she's supposed to be at a game for\nthe other team.\n\nPASLEY: I want to ask you more broadly about your Title IV perspective or\nretrospective, but I'm going to start with your injury. Can you tell us about\nthat? Because it sounds like that was a rough way to start the season.\n\nSTORY: Yeah. So I was catching. That was one of those double headers where the\nassistant coach had me catch the first game and I was supposed to pitch the\nsecond game. It also happened to be the first time my parents had come to see me\nplay at Trinity (laughs) and they got lost on the way there, or they were in\ntraffic or something, and so they were late. And what happened was there was a\nplay at home, and the ball came in right at the same time the runner came in,\nand I got my hand, my bare hand, over the ball trying to keep it in. The throw\nwas a little off the plate, and so as my bare hand was exposed, the runner slid.\nShe was wearing metal cleats which were not legal at the time, and one of those\ncleats just caught my finger and sliced my knuckle open. And so by the time my\nparents got there (laughs), I was ready to go to the emergency room, and that's\nwhere they drove me. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Wow. You remember who the team was?\n\nSTORY: I don't.\n\nPASLEY: And so your parents never got to see you play at Trinity?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I could probably tell you.\n\nSTORY: I don't know if they got to see me play. I don't even remember if\nthat--that should have been my--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Texas Lutheran. You were playing Texas Lutheran.\n\nSTORY: Okay, Texas Lutheran. I think that was my junior year, because I remember\nI was living in McLean that year, and I had a lofted bed. And once I had the\nstitches and I was taking this pain medication, I couldn't climb up into my\nlofted bed. And so my parents had to move the mattress down to the floor and I\nhad to sleep on the floor underneath my lofted bed for a few weeks until I was\nsteady enough on my feet to get into bed. I also remember--this is not super\nrelated, but it's a very Trinity moment--this is when we still had telephones in\nour rooms, and so every student had a telephone number. And I missed two days of\nItalian in a row and Michael Ward called my room to find out if I was still\nalive, because it was so unusual for me to ever miss class that when I missed\ntwo classes in a row, he thought I must be dead.\n\nPASLEY: (laughs) That is a Trinity moment. Well, the professors care about you,\ndidn't they?\n\nSTORY: Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: I'm ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"curious about the treatment, the response. Was it what\nyou would have expected as an intercollegiate athlete, or do you remember?\n\nSTORY: I don't think I had any expectations. Now, having worked my whole career\nin colleges, there could have been a response from Trinity. I don't think there\nwas any response at all. Nobody went to the hospital with me. I mean, my parents\ntook me. If my parents hadn't been there that night, I'm not sure what would\nhave happened. Maybe somebody from Trinity would have taken me. But they took me\nto the hospital. They brought me back. All of my treatment was done through a\nlocal hospital and a local doctor and my insurance. I don't remember ever seeing\na trainer other than to like show them how it looked and have them go, \"Oh yeah,\nyou can't play yet.\" (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: How did you determine that you were going to be able to play again?\n\nSTORY: Oh, when the doctor said I could. I was out for the rest of that season.\nAnd so then it healed over the summer and I was back the next season.\n\nPOTEET: Was your injury paid for by your personal insurance, or was Trinity\nresponsible for that?\n\nSTORY: No, I'm pretty sure it was my personal insurance. My memory could be\nwrong there, but I don't remember sharing any information with Trinity about it\nor anything like that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: According to the records, you came back and played in March.\n\nSTORY: Oh, really?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: After you were injured here. (laughs)\n\nSTORY: Well, there you go.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And again you had an unfortunate season record of 0 and 12, but\nthat you did manage a tie because the last team didn't show up for the game.\n\nSTORY: (laughs)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So you got a tie. But the coach said that when you came back, it\nwas about the first competitive game they had. So they must have been glad to\nsee you come back, and you played a few games at the end of the season.\n\nSTORY: Okay, good. I'm glad to know that. I thought I was out the rest of the season.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Of course we can't always trust the Trinitonian, but that's what\nit said, that you were back. So I think that's probably correct that you were back.\n\nSTORY: Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: I'm not gonna take that personally. I was a sports editor at the\nTrinitonian when I was a senior.\n\nSTORY: (laughs) There was the guy who was the reporter who always wrote the\nstories on softball, and maybe he wrote them all (SP). I don't remember his\nname. Does it say there? He was so good to us.\n\nPASLEY: It's in the footnote, probably? Well, maybe not.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But he was quoting the coach. He had to talk to the coach. I have\na footnote, but I don't know whether I have his name.\n\nPASLEY: It wasn't Ron Nirenberg, was it, Doug?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No.\n\nSTORY: He's a little younger than me.\n\nPOTEET: Shelley, was this your pitching hand?\n\nSTORY: Oh, yes, it was my pitching hand. I still have the scar. You probably\ncan't see it on the--\n\nPASLEY: Oh, wow.\n\nSTORY: There's a scar right here.\n\nPASLEY: Wow. Metal cleats.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But you graduated in 1994; is that correct?\n\nSTORY: Yes.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So that would have been your last season then, I guess. Is that right?\n\nSTORY: No, I'm pretty sure I was living in McLean, which was my junior year. So\nthat should have been 1992, 1993.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, it says that they canceled the 1993-1994 season.\n\nPASLEY: We might want to check that. Maybe it was 1994, 1995.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: It said only seven women showed up to practice for the team.\n\nSTORY: Ohhhh.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And none of them--but I could have gotten my years mixed up.\n\nSTORY: Nope. Actually, that sounds correct, now that you say it.\n\nPASLEY: So, your senior year, y'all weren't able to field the team, or do you recall?\n\nSTORY: I think not. That does sound true. Yeah.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah. It says they canceled the 1993-1994 season but then they\npicked up again in 1994-1995. But the softball apparently was--well, it was a\nsport that hadn't been very visible before they got that field. Softball was\nplayed always off campus. And so it didn't have the same cachet, I guess, as\nsome of the other sports. But if what I've got is right, that's apparently what\nhappened. But again, then I think they picked up later on, and they did a whole\nlot better. They ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got a full-time coach and did a whole lot better.\n\nSTORY: Now that you say that, I remember--I was an RA my senior year, and I\nlived in Lightner, and I remember having softball gear and walking from Lightner\nto the field. But I think we did like a fall practice season and then hoped that\nwe would have enough people to field a team in the spring and turned out we\ndidn't. I think Coach Geyer actually arranged for a few practices just so that\nthose of us who were graduating would not have a year with no softball right\nbefore we graduated.\n\nPASLEY: Wow. By the way, I had a similar kind of blackout. I was really busy my\nsenior year and I'm trying to remember why I didn't show up on the track team\nthat spring, and I probably was just inundated with other stuff. And I ran track\nfor two years, but didn't my senior year; I'm still not sure why. So, it\nhappens. (laughs) You've mentioned a couple of times now that you see Title IX\nthrough the prism of an administrator. What are your thoughts looking back and\nhow is it coming together for you what it was like?\n\nSTORY: I think I just didn't have any awareness at all of the law when I was an\nundergraduate, and I think I probably just sort of lived in a world where we\naccepted that men's sports were more important than women's sports. I mean, I\nknew that our uniforms weren't as cool as the baseball team's and that our\nstadium wasn't as good as theirs, and that we didn't have as many options as\nthey did. But I didn't think of it as a gender equity issue. I just thought,\n\"Oh, this is just how it is.\" I don't remember anyone ever talking with me\nabout, \"Is this fair?\" and \"Are there laws that make sure that this shouldn't be\nthe case?\" And I probably also thought--I probably didn't make the connection\nthat the support has to come before the winning can come, so I probably also\nthought, \"Well, we get less because we lose.\" (laughs). Because I had played\nvolleyball in junior high and I was a big fan of the volleyball team and so I\nwould go watch them play. And I took volleyball as a recreation course a couple\nof times while I was at Trinity, so I knew Julie Jenkins. And I could see that\nthey had better stuff than we did, too. And I think I probably just made a\nconnection that like if you do well, you get good stuff. But it never occurred\nto me that you have to have the support and the staffing and all that before you\ncan start to do well.\n\nPASLEY: That's a really neat perspective. I hadn't really thought of that, but\nyou may have nailed it. This is a tax on your memory and I apologize if you\ndon't remember. So you were there in fall of 1993. Did you ever go to basketball\ngames, by the way? Women's basketball or men's?\n\nSTORY: Rarely.\n\nPASLEY: There was a story that we'd heard about in the Fall of 1993. There was a\nMidnight Madness thing at the Bell Center, and the women's basketball team was\nnot invited that first year. And I didn't know if by chance you would have been\nthere for that kickoff. It would have been Fall of 1993.\n\nSTORY: It's very possible I was there, but I have been to so many Midnight\nMadnesses over the years at so many different schools because of the work that I\ndo, I couldn't to tell you if I was there or not.\n\nPASLEY: Well, that first year that they held it--and I guess this may have been\naround the time that all the colleges are starting to do this--the women were\nnot invited. And so one of the players kind of had her own protest of sorts and\nwrote a letter to the Trinitonian. That was Bob King's first year, I think, too.\nSo we're just looking to see if anybody else remembers that. It sounds like at\nleast for her it was--and the following year, they did include the women's team,\nso that was cool. How did you get from of being a French major to where you are now?\n\nSTORY: (laughs) That's a good question. I think all those things that I did at\nTrinity are what led me down the path of student affairs professional. Peg\nLayton (SP) was the director of residence life at the time and she was a very\nimportant person in my life. I'm still in touch with her. She has been a\nlifelong mentor. I was a French major all along just because I loved French, and\nthen I came in, like so many undergraduates do, thinking I wanted ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to\ngo to medical school. And then, like so many undergraduates do, when I hit\norganic chemistry, I was like, \"Nope, don't want to do that after all.\" And so\nmy sophomore year I kind of had to take a look and say, \"What is it that I\nreally enjoy doing and how can I figure out what I want to do next?\" And the\nthings that I enjoyed were the student activities--being a student leader, being\na mentor, the role that I had in the Residence Hall Association and then later\nbeing an RA. And so it occurred to me that all these people who did these jobs,\nlike Pete Neville (SP) and Peg Layton (SP), that they had made a career of doing\nthis kind of thing. And so I started interviewing them, asking questions--\"How\ndid you get to be where you are? What kind of education did you need?\" And that\nsort of thing. And then that's what I did. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Wow. That's pretty cool.\n\nPOTEET: What have you done in other schools before you came to Southwestern? Did\nyou say you've worked in other schools?\n\nSTORY: Yes. I did my graduate work at the University of Georgia. I never studied\nabroad because I didn't want to leave Trinity, and so I took a year off between\nTrinity and grad school and I went to France for about five months, stayed in an\napartment owned by Nina Ekstein who was my faculty advisor. And I did like a\nstandalone course of study through the CIEF (Centre International d'Etudes\nFrancaises) study abroad group. So I went to graduate school in Athens, Georgia\nand then I've worked at Whittier College in Whittier, California, at American\nUniversity in Washington, D.C. (District of Columbia). And so both of those jobs\nwere kind of entry-level residence life jobs--resident director, residence life\ncoordinator. And then from AU (American University) I went to TCU. Finally made\nmy dad happy and got connected to TCU. So I was an Assistant Dean Of Campus Life\nat TCU. And then I got a job at Gonzaga University, which is in Spokane,\nWashington but on their Florence, Italy, campus. So I lived in Florence for nine\nyears as the Associate Dean Of Student Development there and then came here,\nDean of Students at Southwestern.\n\nPASLEY: Wow. (laughs) I'm dizzy.\n\nSTORY: Yeah, I've been all over.\n\nPASLEY: When did you start at Southwestern?\n\nSTORY: Fall 2016.\n\nPASLEY: This is pretty cool. You figured out what you wanted in school and you\nactually did it for your whole career. Is this a first, guys? I don't know.\n\nSTORY: (laughs) PASLEY: I'm gonna take a pause here. Doug or Shirley, what am I\nmissing? I know there's some other questions. We've got 15 minutes or so.\n\nPOTEET: You've told us something about your extracurricular activities. How\nabout your academic life? Was that satisfactory for you?\n\nSTORY: Oh, yeah. I loved it. I was a French major all along. I was taking French\nclasses from the day I stepped foot on campus, and I knew that I was always\ngoing to graduate with a French major. I am also a person who has very diverse\ninterests, and so I ended up having I would say like almost minors in five or\nsix different things. Like I took--I can't remember--gosh. I took four or five\ncourses in Italian but there wasn't an Italian minor available at the time. I\ntook three semesters of Russian. I took 15 or 18 hours in communication. I took\na lot of English classes and I was a--oh, what did they call it?--a peer mentor,\nor there was some position where you sat in on a first-year seminar and helped\nthe faculty member review papers and that kind of thing. Peer tutor? Peer\nmentor? Part of the problem with working in colleges is that everything starts\nto blend together at what is true at which place. So it was called something\nlike that. It was like in the first-year seminar.\n\nPOTEET: It sounds like you made your own curriculum for your career.\n\nSTORY: I definitely had a very, I think, broad set of courses. I'm pretty sure\nthe only department I did not take a course in was business. And then when I was\nat TCU, I did an MBA (Masters in Business Administration) so, covered ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nit later.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Some of the other women we've interviewed commented on the\ndifference now--with women coming into college to play athletics, they've had to\nbe in club sports. And like you would never have a chance today to really walk\non, maybe, and actually get to play. Do you notice that difference and do you\nsee it as a is a problem or a benefit?\n\nSTORY: Oh, wow. We only have 15 more minutes! (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Right. You can use them all up if you want.\n\nSTORY: I think there are a couple different roads to answer that question. Gosh,\nI don't even know which one to go down first. So, at Southwestern you can still\nwalk on. We give anybody--any student athlete who wants the chance to play, even\nif they've never been seen by a coach before, if they go to the coach and say\n\"I'd like to have a tryout,\" any student can have a tryout. So if they're good\nenough they could make the team even without all of that prior stuff. And it is\ntrue that club sports and varsity sports in high school are at a level now that\nthey weren't at back then. And I think, like many other things that our students\ndo these days, if you are not kind of committed to the point of overcommitment,\nalmost to like creating a fixation in your life that puts the rest of your life\nin an unhealthy balance, you might not have the skills that it takes to beat\nenough other people to be on the team. Nobody goes to a Division III school to\nbecome a professional athlete, so it's really important that we have a good\nhealthy perspective on what athletics is for. There are some people out there\nwho will tell you that Division III athletes are actually more dedicated to\ntheir sport because they are only playing for the love of the sport; they are\nnot playing to keep a scholarship that keeps them in school. And so pretty much\neverything they do, Division III, is taking time away from their ability to stay\nin school academically, whereas in Division I, everything they're doing is\nsupporting their ability to stay at the school if they're on scholarship. So I\nthink it's a delicate balancing act, and it starts way before--the factors that\nplay into it happen way before a student actually comes to us, just like with\neverything else in their lives. Sexual assault, which is also a major area of\nconcern for Title IX, the attitudes that students develop and the knowledge that\nthey have or don't have coming to school as an 18-year-old, that's all done\nbefore they get to us. So when something happens on campus, I don't think\nthere's any reasonable person who's worked in this area who believes that if we\nhad just done one more training, we could have prevented that from happening. We\nlive in an ecosystem where we have said some things are more important than\nother things, and we have pushed young people I think to do more, achieve more,\nwin more awards, fill up your time more, all of those things that have created\nthe situation that we are in today both with athletics and with other equity issues.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I guess just a follow-up on that is the fact that so many players\nnow just concentrate on one sport. They don't branch out and are encouraged to\nplay other sports. And that even in a school like Trinity or like Southwestern,\nI just wonder how many women are actually playing more than one sport, or is it\nstill, \"If I'm going to play volleyball, it's going to be volleyball, and that's\nwhat I'm going to do.\"\n\nSTORY: Yeah. I think we have maybe three or four two-sport athletes at\nSouthwestern, and that's from a pool of about 500 athletes. In general, I think\nthe coaches frown on ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it. They don't want you playing another sport.\nBecause if you get injured in that other sport, then you can't play on my team.\nSo yeah, I think there's definitely a focus on give your all to the one thing,\nmake a decision, choose the thing that's most important to you. And even some of\nour dual-sport athletes, it's like they're on the track team and the\ncross-country team. Well, it's kind of the same thing.\n\nPASLEY: I'm wearing my cross country t-shirt today, so anyway. To that end, I'm\nimagining that Southwestern, not unlike Trinity, has an active intramural\nprogram? And is there some cross-pollination between the two? Intercollegiate?\n\nSTORY: I think most of our coaches discourage most of their students from\nplaying intramurals. Not to say that they don't do it at all, but intramurals\ncan be pretty competitive, and if you get injured in an intramural game, that's\neven worse than if you get injured in a game where you're on another\nintercollegiate team. Because it was for what, you know? For fun, you broke your\nfoot and now you can't play in the soccer season?\n\nPASLEY: Although one of my favorite stories, Shelley, that we got from an\nathlete that I used to play with--she was a four-sport athlete--was she had made\nthe tennis team--this is back in the day that it was a nationally competitive,\ntop-ranked tennis team--and she hurt her ankle playing just pick-up basketball,\nand that's when she realized she really didn't want to play tennis; she wanted\nto play these other four sports. So sometimes serendipity can play a role too, I\nguess. We're getting some really fun trends from a lot of you former athletes,\nand so what I'm curious about now is, when you look back on your days as an\nathlete, how do you feel that's helped you achieve what you've achieved\npersonally or professionally? What are the positives that have come out of that experience?\n\nSTORY: Oh, gosh, so many. I've always been a team person. I think playing a team\nsport where there's no way that you can carry the team yourself--even if you are\nthe best pitcher on the team, if people can't hit, if people don't know how to\nfield, if people don't know where to throw the ball when they field it, the\nteam's not going to do well. And so I think interdependence is a really\nimportant skill and philosophy that has been a thread through my career. And I\nthink that started even on gymnastics as a younger athlete. It's an individual\nperformance, but you're ranked by how your team does, and so it's about doing\neverything you can to be the best you can be and also to help promote excellence\namong your team members. And that requires a level of selflessness to some\ndegree, but also a willingness to hold people accountable and a willingness to\nhelp others improve and to be willing to hear criticism and try to improve\nyourself. I think there's also a level of discipline that comes pretty naturally\nto me. And I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Do you do well\non athletic teams because you're already prone to a good discipline, or does the\nathletic team teach you the discipline? But I think there's definitely a\nconnection there. I've always been able to, in my studies and in my career, make\nthings happen, get things to move forward, by bringing some level of discipline\nand organization to whatever's going on within my work team or my academics or\nthat sort of thing. And I think also, when you lose, it teaches you how to be\nhumble. I think anyone who plays on a team and all they ever do is win isn't\ngetting the full benefit of learning what sports can teach you. Said by a loser. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: And that's the thing, is it's not a win-lose scenario, is it? You can\nalways gain something from that.\n\nSTORY: Yeah. And I've been a lifelong athlete. Like I play in a sand volleyball\nleague now, every--I mean, not right now because of the pandemic--but until\nMarch, I had a team where we play every Monday night, and hopefully we'll be\nback to it soon. It's a feeling and an activity regardless of the sport that is\nsomething I always want to have in my life.\n\nPASLEY: Well, our other two interviewees here are living examples ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Shelley, I've often said that as an advisor that I found that the\nsingle greatest problem that most students had was time management. And I would\nhave interviews (SP) they had a lot of time. They had plenty of time (laughs) to\nmanage it. But I found over the years that the athletes and often people in\ndrama, where they required a lot of extra work, they found the time. And that\nthat was a skill, a lifetime skill, that a lot of people don't have it, don't\nacquire. That it's more possible if you're an athlete. You have to do that.\n\nSTORY: Yeah, that's true. Our athletics department tells athletes that they\nshould follow an 8-8-8 schedule. So every day you get eight hours of sleep, you\nspend eight hours on your academics, and with the other eight hours, you can do\nwhatever you want, which includes athletics. So if you've got four hours worth\nof athletics responsibilities, that means you've only got four hours left to do\nwhatever else you need to do.\n\nPASLEY: I like that. Is there anything, Shelley, that we haven't covered, that\nyou think--I hope you understand now what it is we're trying to do here, and\nthat is to kind of tell the story, the history, but also the personal stories of\nespecially those 30 years where we think women's athletics really got traction.\nAnything else you'd like to add that you don't think we've covered?\n\nSTORY: Not that I can think of, but as this has shown, my memory is not\nfantastic. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Most of ours isn't. This has been such an interesting exercise, because\nyou're I think about the 30th or 32nd interview we've done, and we just had a\ndifferent mindset back in that day. We were just so frankly happy to be on this\namazing campus with these great professors, playing games that we loved. There\nhas not been a discouraging word (laughs). Home on the Range. So that's great.\nYeah. Shelley, I really appreciate it. We had not gotten much softball stories\nhere, and of course personally, I wanted to make sure we captured a few. And you\ngot to be one of the first teams to play on that beautiful field. I still love\ngoing there today. So someday if, good Lord willing, we can all get back\ntogether, I'd love to to have a reunion of some of these folks we've talked to.\nSo we need to get you back to campus.\n\nSTORY: That would be great.\n\nPASLEY: Anything else, Doug or Shirley, that we've missed?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I'll just say as a historian that oral history is a really\nimportant component. Because I can read all the Trinitonian articles and I can\nget all the statistics and so forth, but it's not until you really talk to\nsomebody who has been a part of it and you get what they're thinking and you\nfind out it's quite different. I think many of us thought, well, we're going to\nfind a lot of the players would be resentful about that things weren't equal and\nTitle IX. And most of them (laughs) weren't even thinking about that. They were\nplaying, they were enjoying what they were doing, they loved their coaches. And\nso, it gives you a whole different perspective on history. And I know a lot of\npeople say, \"Well, oral history is not as good.\" Well, it is. And I think that\nit's something that really adds to the story. Maybe you don't remember a date or\nmaybe you don't remember a game, but you remember how you felt, and you remember\nwhat it was like to be there and do that. And that really adds a lot to our\nstory, and we really appreciate you taking the time to do this for us. And we\nhope we'll have something that will come out that will be able to let people\nknow what it was like to be a woman and be an athlete at Trinity University.\n\nSTORY: Great. Thank you. It's been a pleasure.\n\nPOTEET: Something else that we have been impressed with is the versatility of\ncareers that these athletes have pursued. And you are certainly a prime example\nof what a liberal arts education can do for someone.\n\nSTORY: Thank you. I'm a strong believer in the liberal arts because I've stayed\nin ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46053/file/119109/transcript/30531/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it my whole life, so I'm happy to hear that.\n\nPASLEY: I want to add one more thing, and then we'll close out this meeting for\nAbra's sake and also for your time, Shelley. But the other theme that's coming\nto mind as I listen to a lot of you guys and also remember my experience--I\nthink the real heroes of this story are the coaches and the administrators\nwho--and tell me if you agree or disagree--who I think really kind of protected\nus from the politics and from the inequities that we were--that they surely saw,\nbut we weren't really understanding or experiencing. What do you think about\nthat thought?\n\nSTORY: Yeah. Certainly when I think about Teresa Machu, she was such a little\nball of positivity that I don't remember her ever complaining about anything or\nsaying a negative word. And so it just wouldn't have come up. Like we were just\nhappy. Like Doug was saying, we were happy for what we had. And it was never a\nperspective of, \"Oh, other people have it better than we do.\" It was like, \"We\nget to go out and play two games today and after that we get to eat at the\nGolden Corral because we're playing Hill Junior College in Hillsboro.\" You know?\nI mean, we were just having a great time.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, if it was a free meal, I'd be there, right? (laughs) Shelley,\nthank you so much for what you could remember and also just a lot of the wisdom\nthat those last couple of decades have brought and that you could share with us.\nI echo what Doug and Shirley said; this has been a fun experience, and you make\nit that way, so thanks a lot.\n\nSTORY: Thank you. 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My name is Betsy Gerhart Pasley, I was a 1977 graduate and Shelly I was also a softball player and ran some track during my time there in the 70's. We also have Douglass Brackenridge.\n\nBrackenridge: Hey\n\nPasley: Doug is a professor from the department of religion from 62 to 2002, and also Shirley Rushing Poteet. 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My dad was a TCU graduate and diehard TCU fan, and I think he really hoped I'd be heading in that direction. Basically Trinity and TCU were the only two schools I considered. 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I didn't think of it in terms of title IX back then but looking back I definitely think we were under resourced. I don't think we did any kind of recruiting. I don't know how we got our new players each year. 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Because I had played volleyball in junior high and I was a big fan of the volleyball team and so I would go watch them play. And I took volleyball as a recreation course a couple of times while I was at Trinity, so I knew Julie Jenkins. And I could see that they had better stuff than we did, too. And I think I probably just made a connection that like if you do well, you get good stuff. 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I think all of those things I did at Trinity are what led me down the path of student affairs professional. Peg Layton was the director of residence life at the time and she was a very important person in my life, I'm still in touch with her and she's been a life long mentor. And I was a French major all along just because I loved French, but I came in as so many undergraduates do, I came in thinking I wanted to go to medical school, but when I hit organic chemistry I was like \"yeah don't want to do that anymore\".\n\nPasley: [laughs]\n\nStory: So sophomore year I had to take a look and say \"what is it that I really enjoy doing\" and the things I enjoyed were the student activities, being a student leader, being a mentor, the role I had in the residence hall association, and later being an RA. 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