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I'm R. Douglas Brackenridge,\nProfessor Emeritus at Trinity University. With me here at Trinity is Jes Neal\nwho is the Trinity University archivist. And we will be interviewing Betty\nMeadows, who is a Trinity graduate. Now, what years? You came in--?\n\nMEADOWS: I came in 1966 and left in 1970.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, from 1966 to 1970. And you played tennis at Trinity. Is that correct?\n\nMEADOWS: I did.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Did you play any other sports?\n\nMEADOWS: No.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: With that bit of introduction, let me just start back and say, how\ndid you end up at Trinity?\n\nMEADOWS: [laugh]\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: How did you come to Trinity? And did tennis have anything to do\nwith it when you came?\n\nMEADOWS: No. No, no. And I hope I'm going to be helpful, but my memory isn't\ngreat about all that. But anyway, I came to Trinity because I'm a Presbyterian\nand I've always wanted to go to a Presbyterian college. And we lived out in West\nTexas in a little town called Monahans, which is where I learned to play tennis.\nAnd when we moved to San Antonio, wow, I was able to just drive across town and\ngo to college. But I stayed in the dorm; I didn't stay in my parents' home or in\nmy home. But it's a school I always wanted to go to because I heard of its\nreputation. It did have a tennis team, but that's not really why I came. I came\nfor academics. I came because it was a Presbyterian school.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And it would have been like maybe your (SP) minister that had any\ninfluence on you?\n\nMEADOWS: No, no. I was going to be a school teacher. My parents--my dad's a\nprincipal, my mother's a teacher, my brother's a teacher. I came to be an\neducation major. Had no intention ever of working in a church, ever. And that\ncall from God didn't come until 10 years later. It came in 1980, and it was a\nreally powerful call. So I left--I went to seminary. But it was not my intention.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Where did you go? To Austin?\n\nMEADOWS: Austin Seminary.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Just an aside, did you know Bill Walker from Grand Falls?\n\nMEADOWS: No.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: (INAUDIBLE) Monahans. Grand Falls was pretty close to Monahans.\n\nMEADOWS: It is. Yeah.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah. But he was born and raised in Grand Falls.\n\nMEADOWS: Oh my goodness.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And he said there's no Grand Falls there.\n\nMEADOWS: No, there's no Grand Falls.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So then what did you major in, Betty?\n\nMEADOWS: Elementary education. And I took 21 years of Latin.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Wow.\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah, wow.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: How old were you when you really left Monahans?\n\nMEADOWS: Sixteen.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, so you really grew up there.\n\nMEADOWS: I did.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And again, we're focusing on the athletic part, but did you play\ntennis and that out there?\n\nMEADOWS: I did, I did. I started playing tennis in the seventh grade. And we\ncalled it junior high in those days. I started in seventh grade tennis. And the\nreason I started is we didn't have a girls tennis team and they were trying to\nget players together and the coach said, \"You want to learn?\" And he sent me to\na tournament in three weeks. I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea how\nto hit a ball. But I went to the tournament and had a riot. And we didn't win\nanything because nobody could hit, but at least the school was able to put in a\ntennis team, a doubles team.\n\nAnd from that point, it just kind of--it was in my blood. I loved it. And I got\nbetter and better. And so I played all the way through high school and a good\nbit through college. In fact, when I graduated, Doug, I actually coached tennis\non the side in San Antonio for a number of years, and loved it. I taught boys\nand girls how to play. And then when I moved to middle school and started\nteaching sixth, seventh, and eighth graders, I was the tennis coach after\nschool. And I loved it. I mean, I just loved it. It was a great way  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/transcript/30536/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nto work with kids and give them some support and teach them a skill and teach\nthem also what is etiquette and what is tennis etiquette. And if you threw your\nracket or said curse words, I withdrew you from the tournament and said, \"That's\ntough.\" [laugh]\n\nAnyway, but I just loved it. Tennis was a great--get you in the sun, got you\nexercise, got you with other people. Competitive but not too competitive. I\nmean, it's competitive enough. So, it really became a way of life. And that went\ninto racquetball and then that went into running. And now I just go to the Y\nduring the day. So it's just an active lifestyle.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Back then, what were your feelings about the fact that that women\ndidn't have much opportunities to do these? That the men were in all these\nsports. Was that an issue when you were younger or was that not something you\nreally thought much about?\n\nMEADOWS: Well, I didn't think much about it because in high school, we had a\nwoman's basketball team. We had a woman's volleyball team. Now we had a woman's\ntennis team. So I don't think I thought much about it. It wasn't a plus or\nminus. It was just I wanted to play (INAUDIBLE).\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Did you feel like there was much more interest in the men's sports\nand the women's were kind of considered just a (INAUDIBLE)?\n\nMEADOWS: Always. Always. Always. Because the men could run the whole floor in\nbasketball. They (INAUDIBLE) football.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: The basketball, was it still the stationary, where you\ncouldn't--you didn't play full court?\n\nMEADOWS: You could only play half court.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. Well, they were still doing that in the early 1970s. They\nwere still playing basketball that way. Right.\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah. The women were thought to be very brittle, very fragile.\n(INAUDIBLE). And I didn't think much about that either, really. I really didn't\nthink much about that. I just knew that I liked to play tennis, and so I played\ntennis. And you could be as rough or you could play singles or you could play\ndoubles and you could have mixed doubles. Yeah, yeah. I don't think I thought\nmuch about the fact that women didn't have the money. Because Trinity wasn't a\nbig athletic school.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, no.\n\nMEADOWS: It really wasn't. If I had been going--gone to University of Texas or\nAlabama or Georgia where you would have seen tons of money put into men's\nsports, it might have hit me differently. But sports were just kind of an add-on\nat Trinity. It wasn't--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. Well, particularly--but tennis was the one big thing.\n\nMEADOWS: It was. It was.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Tennis--not in your days so much, but very shortly thereafter,\nthat was the one sport that women could get scholarships in. And it always got\nhigh priority and publicity and an interest, where the other sports were in a\ndefinitely lower category. Tennis was a much bigger thing.\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah. So when I was there, I don't remember a lot of money being put\ninto scholarships for sports.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, there wasn't any. Of course, there wasn't any women's team\nthen, either. So tell me, who helped you or how did you do it? Do you remember?\n\nMEADOWS: I am guessing that when I registered and I asked, \"When does tennis\nstart and where can I show up?\"--and I showed up. I'm sure I just went down to\nthe courts with my racket and talked to the coach.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You mean the coach Clarence Mayberry? It wasn't Shirley Rushing?\nWould she have anything to do with that then?\n\nMEADOWS: Shirley Rushing, I can't remember when she started. Was she there in 1966?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Oh, she was there in 1962. She was there in 1960.\n\nMEADOWS: Okay, because it was a female coach, so it had to be Shirley Rushing.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, that's who would have--yeah, because they didn't have any\nfemale coaches. There weren't any listed. She was the only woman in the PE department.\n\nMEADOWS: Okay. She was our coach.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. [laugh] All right. I think that--okay.\n\nMEADOWS: She showed up, too. We showed up; she showed up. And we traveled to\ntournaments. We would all jump in the car.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I know she went to the tournament with you.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/transcript/30536/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah, she did. She did.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I guess what I'm asking you--was there any, quote, \"coaching\"\ngoing on or was it just you showed up and played?\n\nMEADOWS: No. There was no coaching. We just all got out on the courts and\nplayed. We just played our hearts out.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And then how did you decide who's going to play number one and\nnumber two? Would she have something to do with that or did you all--?\n\nMEADOWS: Well, we all knew who was number one. That was Emilie Burrer. We all\nknew that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, but this is before Emilie Burrer.\n\nMEADOWS: Oh, before Emilie?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: 1967, there's no Emilie Burrer there.\n\nMEADOWS: When did Emilie come?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: 1968 and 1969.\n\nMEADOWS: Oh gosh, I forgot. I don't know who was first.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's what I'm saying. You have Mary McLean, Ginger Parker (SP),\nSally Goldschmeding, Betty Meadows and Elise Folden (SP) for 1967. So that's why\nthis is so hard to figure out, because we didn't have all these formalities. We\ndidn't have Trinitonian articles about it. And then even Shirley, she doesn't\nremember everything. I mean, I don't remember--you ask me about what I did in\n1967 or 1968, I couldn't tell you. I'd have to go back and try to research it.\n\n[NEAL]: I wonder, were Mary McLean and Ginger Parker kind of the number one\nspots? Because (INAUDIBLE)--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I think Mary McLean was a noted player. I mean, I think she was--\n\n[NEAL]: Yeah, she was in the Beaumont tennis tournament. And this is all in\n1966. She gained, what is it, single competition, she went to the semifinals.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah. That Mary McLean apparently was an outstanding player.\n\nMEADOWS: She was.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But you just played with each other, right? And you just played\nagainst each other?\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah, we weren't coached. We just played with each other. And those who\nwanted to play singles played singles. Those who liked doubles played doubles.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And what about schedule? Did you just go to tournaments?\n\nMEADOWS: No, we worked out almost every day, is what I remember.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, but I mean, did you play other teams, so like in San Antonio?\n\nMEADOWS: Oh, yeah. We would go to tournaments. But we basically played with each\nother at Trinity. I don't remember playing any (INAUDIBLE)--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You didn't play SAC [San Antonio College] or Saint Mary's\n[University] or Incarnate Word?\n\nMEADOWS: (INAUDIBLE)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: See, they maybe--not even have a team then. Because there wasn't\nmuch going on in that (INAUDIBLE).\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah, I don't remember that. I don't remember ever playing another\nschool in San Antonio. I know that we practiced almost every day. I remember\nwalking back to the dorm with my tennis clothes on and I'd shower and I'd go to\nsupper, or study, or whatever. But I don't remember--hmm. (INAUDIBLE)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, did you get to play on the upper courts? On the varsity\ncourts? Or did you go off campus to practice?\n\nMEADOWS: No, we played on the varsity courts. We weren't off campus at all. We\nwould play always on campus.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, but by your time, there weren't tennis courts down by the\nSams Center, were there?\n\nMEADOWS: No.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, they were there by 1970. They were there--1969 or 1970, they\nbuilt those, because the NCAA was coming for the men's tournament there. But\nwe've read or other tennis players have said that a lot of times it was hard to\nget on the courts because the men used them a lot and the women just had to grab\nwhatever time they could get to play on. But you don't remember ever having a\nreal problem about that?\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah, I don't remember that. I really don't. My memory is [laugh] that\nwe played--there were probably certain hours that the courts were available, I\nguess. I don't remember. I don't remember jostling around. But my memory is it\nwas a little unorganized. We were just out there enjoying the sport and loving\nit, making friends, going to tournaments, and going to school. I mean, it wasn't\na money thing. It wasn't real organized. We weren't coached.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And did they like pay for these uniforms? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/transcript/30536/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Did they pay\nfor anything, where you're wearing these outfits? No? The white dresses and--\n\n[PERSON]: (INAUDIBLE)\n\nMEADOWS: I don't remember them paying for any of that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Because now, when you traveled, did Trinity pick up any of the costs?\n\nMEADOWS: They did. All travel.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That would be through the PE department, where you would be\ngetting that money.\n\nMEADOWS: Right. The food, expenses, the gasoline, whatever. Right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And they paid for your food?\n\nMEADOWS: And the hotel. Oh, sure. Whatever our expenses are. And I remember we\nused to take turns driving. We would all pile into these big cars and we would\njust all take turns driving until we got there, and then we'd play ball, and\nthen we'd all drive back.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And most of those would be in Texas, right? You weren't driving\nout of state?\n\nMEADOWS: Right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Of course Texas is a big state. You could be driving up in the\nPanhandle, right, if there was a meeting up there.\n\nMEADOWS: Right, right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And I noticed--well, I didn't bring that picture, but one of the\nteams was showing that they got some fancy coats. I don't remember--I thought\nI--that might have been a little bit later that they had some jackets that they\nbought, that they made or something. But that might have been after your time.\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah, I don't have any of that. No.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But my assumption is that Shirley Rushing was arranging all this.\n\nMEADOWS: That's my memory.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: They often call her the sponsor. They don't call her the coach.\nThey call her the sponsor. So I'm assuming that that's what that role meant\nmore. Because she was a full-time PE teacher and that; she wouldn't have a lot\nof time to do a lot of coaching. And I don't know that tennis was her first\nsport. I don't think Shirley ever--I don't know that that was her sport, anyway.\n\nMEADOWS: I don't think so. Yeah. I think she was kind to organize it and to take\nus to tournaments and let us play. But it was for me maybe extra-intramural,\nextramural, whatever.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Jim Potter, was he there by the time you were there as intramural,\ndo you remember? He didn't really come until like 1967 or 1968. But you weren't\nreally involved that much with intramurals.\n\nMEADOWS: No, no, just--no.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: It was just more the tennis, okay.\n\nMEADOWS: Just tennis.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So again, just that I make sure I understand, more or less your\nmemory is that it was at registration that you were asking about tennis and\nsomebody told you where to go, or whatever, to meet with somebody, and that's\nwhere some of the women got together, and that Shirley was the one that kind of\norganized it.\n\nMEADOWS: Right. She organized it, but my memory is the kindness of Emilie\nBurrer. Emily Burrer would work with you on any skill, any forehand, any\nbackhand, any serve that was giving you trouble. She was just a really wonderful\nteammate. And she would give her time to coach any of us because there was no coach.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, well, see, that's something that I had no idea about. And it\nwas her winning that kind of elevated the women's tennis.\n\nMEADOWS: Yes, she was a dynamite. She was awesome. Yeah.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And so when she came, it was still pretty much the same thing,\nright? That you didn't really have a coach.\n\nMEADOWS: No.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And it was Shirley who would be the person who would be doing\nwhatever was needed to be done. Is that pretty much your memory?\n\nMEADOWS: That's my memory, right. Maybe Shirley's role was to get us registered\ninto conferences, to send the entry fee to get us there, house us, bring us\nback. More of an administrator, I'm guessing, for us, yeah. (INAUDIBLE)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: One of the things that that we have--this is a kind of a side\nproject that--you know, they have this kind of Hall of Fame for athletes here at\nTrinity, and I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/transcript/30536/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think--we think she ought to be recognized for all\nthat she did. See, the kind of things you're talking about, nobody has any idea\nthat that she would be involved in any way about helping. And we've got other\nstories where the people are saying the same kind of thing that you're saying.\nOh, that she helped us and she did this and she did that. So do you remember any\nother kind of contact with Shirley or you had any classes, or not particularly?\n\nMEADOWS: No. It's a long time ago!\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I know it is. I know. If you want to chime in here now--the only\nthing that I would ask again was your impression of--what was the feeling\namongst the other students about women's tennis? Was it a big thing or a little\nthing or nobody paid much attention to it? Do you have any memories of that or\nwas that not something that was of a concern to all of you?\n\nMEADOWS: I don't have any impression that it mattered to the student body. The\nimpression I have is that we enjoyed playing and we enjoyed being with each\nother. We enjoyed just the athleticism. But it wasn't a big thing for the\nschool. That's my impression. I mean, there weren't accolades, or Emily wasn't\nheld up for all the wins she's made. Because she was our star when she got\nthere. Yeah. I think we played because we loved the sport. We played because it\nwas just an exhilarating feeling to go work out and come back and study. It just\nwas great to work out all the tension through classes, and pressure. I think\nthat was true for all of us. It wasn't awards or it was important to the school\nor we were in anyone's heyday of--you know.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Were you aware of like what later became the AIAW? When you went\nto these tournaments, there were different sponsors. There were invitational\ntournaments where the school would invite, or this larger women's group. I don't\nthink that was as well organized when you were playing. It was more in the 1970s\nthat it became--\n\nMEADOWS: Right, right. I preceded that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: One more question. Was there any difference that you got out of\nplaying tennis--did that add to your experience at Trinity in your education?\nWere there any values you see getting out of that? What would be your mindset on that?\n\nMEADOWS: I think sports are good for all people. It's a holistic kind of thing.\nYou learn how to win well. You learn how to lose well. You learn how to compete.\nYou learn how to care for your opponent. You learn how to treat somebody who you\njust beat. You learn how to work with your classmates and your other team\nmembers who lost and didn't think they were going to. It's a whole lot of life\nskill that comes together in sports. And winning is not the major thing,\nalthough it's important. But I think it was the whole roundedness of being an\nindividual. That life isn't just about good grades. It's not just about always\nwinning. But it's about how we get along with each other in the midst of all\nthat stuff.\n\nSo the life skills were, \"I'm never going to be number one, and that's okay with\nme. I don't have to be number one in everything. I'm a good student. I'm gonna\nbe really good at certain things. But other things I'm gonna be the mediocre.\"\nAnd that's a good thing to know. And mediocre is just fine. I'm never gonna be\nEmilie Burrer or these other people. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/transcript/30536/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I can learn from them. And\nto be around an Emily who was so gracious with her time and her technique showed\nme how to graciously be a number one in anything. Her modeling was wonderful, so\nthat you know later in life if you're number one in anything, you share what you\nknow. It's not all about you. So I think sports is a great teacher. It's a great\nteaching moment for a human being.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's wonderful. That's very eloquent. So what have you done in\nlater life, Betty? You taught. You taught in the public schools?\n\nMEADOWS: I did. I taught 10 years in public school. And then I went to seminary\nand had a small church out in West Texas that I just adored, and wanted to be a\npastor forever. But God always has God's ways. And so then I went to Atlanta\nwhere I was on the presbytery staff. So then I began to shepherd 110 churches in\nevangelism as an associate exec. I did that seven years. And I thought, \"Oh,\nthis is great. I could just stay here.\" \"No,\" God said. \"No.\" So then I went to\nLouisville as the exec. And I was the exec, the top administrative person, for\n16 years, in Louisville, Kentucky, for Mid-Kentucky Presbytery. And I thought,\n\"Oh, this is great. I'll retire from here.\" God said no.\n\nSo then God brought me to Charlotte where I'm a transitional--general presbyter.\nSo I've shepherded a presbytery that was broken and there was no trust. Lack of\ntransparency. Racial issues, theological issues. And my time here is coming to\nan end, and we have--by God's grace and a lot of people volunteering, we've been\nable to heal this presbytery. God has worked with us on that. And now the new\nperson is coming May 1 and I retire! And it has been a wonderful, wonderful\njourney of--thought I was going to teach forever. No. Thought I was going to be\na pastor of a church forever. No. Thought I would be a general presbytery. No. I\nmean, every time I said, \"God, this is it,\" God said, \"Oh, no, it isn't.\" But I\nam going to retire.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But you're not going to stop.\n\nMEADOWS: I'm not going to stop , no. I'm going to go back--before seminary, I\nwas teaching school, but I was working with battered women and pregnant teens.\nAnd so all I want to do is go back to hands-on street work, just volunteering my\ntime for the sake of somebody else. And I don't need a title, don't need an\noffice, don't need a salary to do that. And I don't need to go to another\ncountry. There's enough need in my backyard here in Charlotte. So it's come full\ncircle, Doug Brackenridge. Full circle. So I retire from professional ministry\nbut never from ministry.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I guess when they say you're honorably retired, that leaves\na lot of room for activity, doesn't it?\n\nMEADOWS: Tons of room. Tons of room. Yeah.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So it seems like--I know that there's much more involved in a\nministerial call, but it seems like what you said so eloquently about tennis are\nexactly what you had to deal with in becoming a Presbyterian, a woman pastor,\nand dealing with all these issues and working with people and having to solve\nproblems. That some of those things you learned a bit during your college years\nprobably carried over.\n\nMEADOWS: It did. It did. I mean, what we can learn in athletics really carries\nthrough life. And also keeps our bodies healthy so that--my mother's about to\nturn 100, and I may follow her and I may not. We'll see.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I was trying to think--we did meet one time. I don't\nremember whether it was at a general assembly. But it seemed to me we met--there\nwas something else going--I mean, I was in Charlotte doing some research and\nmaybe I met you at some event there, but we did meet. I remember meeting.\n\nMEADOWS: We did. I remember that, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/transcript/30536/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"too. It was a while back. I don't\nremember--but it was a while back. But that's right; I remember. And I remember\nyour class. I remember your--you had the first religion class. And I remember\nthis strange movement inside of me one day when you were teaching. And I\nthought, \"What is that?\" And I was being drawn into ministry. Because it took 10\nmore years for that seed to develop roots and sprouts. But it started in your\nclass, Doug Brackenridge.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, sometimes you don't ever hear much from students in the\npast, but sometimes you find, though, that many students have never been\nintroduced to what you'd call the academic study of religion. They've never had\nthat. And it comes as a shock to them. I know it did to me when I was in\ncollege. But that it's liberating if it's something that you can view as\npositive and not negative. You learn that there's something more to learn that\nyou don't know, and you kind of move out. And I think that's one of the things\nthat a liberal arts school should do for somebody. Not to indoctrinate them, but\nto open up some doors or some windows that they can look through and say, \"This\nis the way I'm gonna follow, but I'm aware there are other ways around.\" That\nthis is not for me or this is for me. But at any rate, as always, it's a\npleasure, isn't it? Every time we do this, it's like we just say, \"Wow.\" Because\nwe're looking at newspaper clippings and we're looking at whatever, and even\nthough I was on the campus then, I wasn't thinking about. You know, with all the\nlittle kids and family and new professor. And wow, I was just in over my head. I\nhad never done any teaching before. But we're just so amazed at the lives\nof--that why we want to kind of bring this bit of history back. Because there's\na richness there that is going to be lost. Already there are people from your\nera that are gone. So we're wanting to be able to get first hand. Because\nthere's no way that we could learn what you said, right, without you telling us.\nAnd maybe we find somebody else who's going to tell us, but we can't find that\nin any of our archives. We can't find that. So we appreciate you giving the\ntime. And I hope you, if you do come back, get back down to San Antonio, that\nyou'll make a point of letting me know and letting us know so we can see you.\n\n[END INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1800.0,2100.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Betty_Meadows.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=0.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: This March 7, 2018 and I am R. Douglas Brackenridge, professor emeritus at Trinity University and with me here at Trinity is Jes Neal, who is the Trinity university archivist and we will be interviewing Betty Meadows who is a Trinity graduate, what years, you came in?\n\nMEADOWS:  I came in '66 and left in '70.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=0.0,51.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why Trinity?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=51.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE:  We'll start back and say, how did you end up at Trinity?  How did you come to Trinity?\n\nMEADOWS: [laughs]\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And did tennis have anything to do with it?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=51.0,210.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Playing Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=210.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: And again, we're focusing on the athletic part, but did you play tennis and that out there?\n\nMEADOWS: I did, I did. I started playing tennis in the seventh grade. And we called it junior high in those days. I started in seventh grade tennis. And the reason I started is we didn't have a girls tennis team and they were trying to get players together and the coach said, \"You want to learn?\" And he sent me to a tournament in three weeks. I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea how to hit a ball. But I went to the tournament and had a riot. And we didn't win anything because nobody could hit, but at least the school was able to put in a tennis team, a doubles team.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=210.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tennis at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=480.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: Right. Well, particularly--but tennis was the one big thing.\n\nMEADOWS: It was. It was.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Tennis--not in your days so much, but very shortly thereafter, that was the one sport that women could get scholarships in. And it always got high priority and publicity and an interest, where the other sports were in a definitely lower category. Tennis was a much bigger thing.\n\nMEADOWS: Yeah. So when I was there, I don't remember a lot of money being put into scholarships for sports.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=480.0,996.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shirley Rushing's Role with Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=996.0,1246.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: And what about schedule? Did you just go to tournaments?\n\nMEADOWS: No, we worked out almost every day, is what I remember.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, but I mean, did you play other teams, so like in San Antonio?\n\nMEADOWS: Oh, yeah. We would go to tournaments. But we basically played with each other at Trinity. I don't remember playing any (INAUDIBLE)--","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=996.0,1246.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Student Body Impression of Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1246.0,1390.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the only thing that I would ask again was your impression of--what was the feeling amongst the other students about women's tennis? Was it a big thing or a little thing or nobody paid much attention to it? Do you have any memories of that or was that not something that was of a concern to all of you?\n\nMEADOWS: I don't have any impression that it mattered to the student body. The impression I have is that we enjoyed playing and we enjoyed being with each other. We enjoyed just the athleticism. But it wasn't a big thing for the school. That's my impression. I mean, there weren't accolades, or Emily wasn't held up for all the wins she's made. Because she was our star when she got there. Yeah. I think we played because we loved the sport. We played because it was just an exhilarating feeling to go work out and come back and study. It just was great to work out all the tension through classes, and pressure. I think that was true for all of us. It wasn't awards or it was important to the school or we were in anyone's heyday of--you know.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1246.0,1390.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Influence of Tennis on Life and Education","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1390.0,1545.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: One more question. Was there any difference that you got out of playing tennis--did that add to your experience at Trinity in your education? Were there any values you see getting out of that? What would be your mindset on that?\n\nMEADOWS: I think sports are good for all people. It's a holistic kind of thing. You learn how to win well. You learn how to lose well. You learn how to compete. You learn how to care for your opponent. You learn how to treat somebody who you just beat. You learn how to work with your classmates and your other team members who lost and didn't think they were going to. It's a whole lot of life skill that comes together in sports. And winning is not the major thing, although it's important. But I think it was the whole roundedness of being an individual. That life isn't just about good grades. It's not just about always winning. But it's about how we get along with each other in the midst of all that stuff.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1390.0,1545.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Life at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1545.0,1987.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122/index/48419/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: That's wonderful. That's very eloquent. So what have you done in later life, Betty? You taught. You taught in the public schools?\n\nMEADOWS: I did. I taught 10 years in public school. And then I went to seminary and had a small church out in West Texas that I just adored, and wanted to be a pastor forever. But God always has God's ways. And so then I went to Atlanta where I was on the presbytery staff. So then I began to shepherd 110 churches in evangelism as an associate exec. I did that seven years. And I thought, \"Oh, this is great. I could just stay here.\" \"No,\" God said. \"No.\" So then I went to Louisville as the exec. And I was the exec, the top administrative person, for 16 years, in Louisville, Kentucky, for Mid-Kentucky Presbytery. And I thought, \"Oh, this is great. I'll retire from here.\" God said no.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46066/file/119122#t=1545.0,1987.0"}]}]}]}