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I'm R. Douglas Brackenridge,\nretired professor at Trinity University, here with Shirley Rushing, who is a\nretired professor in the Department of Health and Physical Education, and\nMeredith Elsik, who is a research librarian here at Trinity. We will be\ninterviewing Sarah Scott Mayo, who played tennis for Trinity in the, what, late\n1960s and early 1970s? Or early 1970s?\n\nMAYO: 1969 really through 1972. I graduated in 1973.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: This is part of a series of tapes on the history of women's\nintercollegiate athletics at Trinity. Let me start, Sarah, by saying we're glad\nyou could come and participate in this. Could you tell us, why did you come to\nTrinity? Give us a little bit of background about what you were doing before.\nWere you playing tennis in high school? Or were you interested? Was that one of\nthe major reasons why you came to Trinity? Could you talk a little bit about that?\n\nMAYO: I can. I actually was a basketball player until I was 15. I thought I\nwanted to be a professional basketball player, and I was not five feet tall yet.\nSo my father decided that we needed to expand my horizons and had the postmaster\nfrom a little bitty town up the road--I lived in a very small town, 232 people,\nin Tillar, Arkansas--and he brought the postmaster up and built a tennis court\nat the tennis school, and we started all playing tennis. I ended up getting\npretty good pretty fast and started playing tennis in a lot of tournaments and\nworking my way up the ladder until I was the number two ranked player in\nArkansas when I graduated from high school.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Can I stop you just one second? We now have just been joined by\nJes Neal, who is the archivist, and she will be recording some of this as well.\nAnd this is Sarah Scott Mayo and Jes Neal. Okay, I'm sorry. Go ahead.\n\nMAYO: So I was looking at three schools. I was looking at Mary Baldwin, at\nRollins, and at Trinity. I knew that I was going to school to play tennis. I was\nnot the National Merit Scholar in my family; that was my brother.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: So I came really with the intent of playing tennis. I mean, that was\nreally why I wanted to come, why I wanted to pick a school that would foster\nthat. I actually never went to Mary Baldwin and looked, nor did I actually go to\nRollins, because I came to Trinity and looked first and that looked perfect.\nDoodie Meyer did my interview and my tour and I was sold. And it was close, and\nclose enough to drive, or for my dad to fly me down here. So it was just a good\nmatch, and it was a good match in size, too.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Then when you got to Trinity, was it what you expected it would\nbe? So, what was the situation then, when you came? Had you talked to tennis\npeople before you came? Had you talked to any of the coaches? Or did you just--?\n\nMAYO: I don't think that they were available when I had my interview. They\nweren't around at the time. I might have talked to Shirley. I really can't\nremember. I don't think so.\n\nPOTEET: I can't remember either.\n\nMAYO: I think honestly that I was so taken away--and I knew enough, because they\nhad all--the interviewers and whatever talked about Emilie and Becky and their winning--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And you knew about the men's team.\n\nMAYO: And, of course, I knew about the men's team. And so I guess I just never\nreally--and because they didn't offer scholarships, I didn't see that I had\nanything to lose at that point. I mean, I was just excited that I was accepted\nand that I was going to be able to go. So, when we got here, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I did\nteam up--there were like seven of us that were state-ranked players that had all\ncome to play and were excited.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But you did not relate to those people before you came?\n\nMAYO: No. I didn't know any of those people until I got here.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Can you quickly rattle them off, the names? Do you know them?\n\nMAYO: I can quickly rattle them off of these pictures. Donna Letieri (SP), Anne\nHutton (SP). I think Gladys Munt was one. Karen Brumbaugh. Nancy Spencer. Joanne\nBoard (SP). Brenda Richards (SP). How many is that?\n\nPOTEET: Pam Steinmetz?\n\nMAYO: Pam Steinmetz.\n\nPOTEET: Glada Munt?\n\nMAYO: Glada Munt. Who did I say? I thought that's who I said.\n\nNEAL: What was Pam's last name?\n\nMAYO: Steinmetz.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: They played other sports as well. That's good enough. We can track\nthat. We've got a lot of names there.\n\nMAYO: Did Susan Mapes come in, or was she the next year?\n\nPOTEET: I think she was the next year.\n\nMAYO: I think she was the next year, too. Oh, and Claudia Cucco (SP). She was\nClaudia Michaud (SP) then.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. So you came in, but there wasn't really anything organized?\n\nMAYO: Well, we realized there was nothing organized. And that's when--I'm not\nsure how we found--we must have found our way down to Shirley, and she took us\nunder her wing. And honestly, we would have had nothing--no balls, no courts, no\nnothing, no organized practice, no tournaments to play--zilch, had it not been\nfor her. And she felt sorry for us. I mean, right off the bat, she clearly got\nthat we were here to play tennis and they were not prepared for us. And so she\nstepped up to the plate and did everything she could to help us be a team.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: How does that fit in with Emilie and them being--no, they would be--\n\nMAYO: They'd already graduated.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: They had already graduated. Okay. That's right. Good.\n\nMAYO: They had graduated that spring.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So you were a bunch of orphans coming in.\n\nMAYO: Yeah, and the orphans arrived in the Fall.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nPOTEET: So what I did then was tell them how to do it. And I said everything\nwould need to go through the Athletic Council. And so if you want to be\nrecognized, then this needs to be approved by the Athletic Council. And I made\nan appointment, and Sarah and Nancy and I went.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And so what kind of reception did you get?\n\nMAYO: Do you know, I really don't even really remember that very well.\n\nPOTEET: I think we got a very good reception. It was a surprise but it was on\nthe agenda. And so when they brought it up--and I can remember telling the\nstudents, \"Trinity pays my salary. You pay Trinity's salary. It would be good\nfor you to talk.\" And they talked. So they told them what they wanted and why\nthey were here and what they expected.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And so where did we go from there, then?\n\nPOTEET: The next thing I can remember is looking for money. And the first money\ncame from the student activity fee. And that was a total of 200 dollars for the\nyear, which we used to pay entry fees to tournaments, and I got six cents a mile\nfor gas.\n\nMAYO: (laughs) Oh, I can't believe you--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Gas was cheaper, then.\n\nMAYO: --put up with us. We were a motley crew.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And again, this is, so far, without any real connection with the\nmen's tennis program.\n\nMAYO: Yeah. None yet.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Up to this point, it's been pretty much working with Shirley and\nkind of getting started here.\n\nMAYO: And we were down on the lower courts.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay, and then maybe you could fill in the bit of history that\nSarah wasn't aware of.\n\nPOTEET: Well, I can remember at some point trying to reserve the lower courts\nthrough my department chair, Jesse MacLeay. And he said that other students who\npaid the same tuition had just as much right to use them as tennis players, and\nso we could not reserve them.\n\nMAYO: Such a Jesse comment.\n\nPOTEET: And at some point, I don't remember whether it was that year or not, I\ncalled McFarlin and tried to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reserve them at McFarlin, and they\nwouldn't reserve them for us because we had courts at Trinity. And then I guess\nthe next thing was when you all talked with the pro.\n\nMAYO: Right. So, we muddled through that first year. And Shirley actually got us\nto some tournaments, like I think we went to Houston, went to Lamar. We actually\nplayed some tournaments.\n\nPOTEET: Baylor.\n\nMAYO: And we would meet on the courts every afternoon and fight our way to get a\ncourt and then practice.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So, are you--again, I know I'm asking a lot of technical\nquestions--but are you then--they are recognized as some kind of team?\n\nMAYO: No.\n\nPOTEET: We are when we go to other places. They write about the team from\nTrinity. And this was one of the things that Sarah and Nancy said to me, was,\n\"We're recognized in other towns but we're not recognized at Trinity or in San Antonio.\"\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You hadn't become a part of any intercollegiate athletics or even\nat this point apparently not even the PE (Physical Education) Department, officially.\n\nPOTEET: Right.\n\nMAYO: So, by going into that next year--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So, can you tell me that year again now? You came in 19--?\n\nMAYO: I came in the Fall of 1969.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So, that's 1969, 1970. Now, now we're talking about 1970, 1971?\n\nMAYO: Right. That was the year that when we got here we said, \"Okay, we're not\ndoing this again.\" So I do not remember exactly how Nancy and I found our way to\nOak Hills to this pro, but we talked to him, and he was really interested in\ndoing--and he seemed like a nice guy and a good pro. And Oak Hills was a very\nreputable club. Besides San Antonio Country Club, frankly it's about all that\nwas here at that time. So that was our next step. And then that was where\nShirley picked up and I guess helped us with--we told her about him, and I guess\nhe came and met with you?\n\nPOTEET: Along with Tex Taylor, who was head of public relations. And the donor\nwas also a member of Oak Hills. He knew the pro and recommended him very highly.\n\nMAYO: Okay so that's kind of how that all came about.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And so, then?\n\nMAYO: And so then, we thought we'd found our pro and we were so excited we were\ngoing to have some coaching and some serious organization. And then my\nrecollection is is that ultimately it got to Clarence, and Clarence stepped in\nand put the gauntlet down and said, \"No we're not having an outsider at\nTrinity.\" Now, I'm sure it didn't happen exactly like that. That was just my\nfeelings at the time. Because he basically kept us from getting that coach and\ninstead donated John.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Now, John, was he a player or--?\n\nMAYO: John Newman was the men's coach. You'd think it was Clarence.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: He was like an assistant coach.\n\nMAYO: Yeah, but John was the one that was out there every day with them.\nClarence would come and and make an appearance and work with the boys some, but\nJohn was the one that organized and did practice every day with the men. And so\nI think Clarence did not want to introduce anybody new. He didn't want anyone on\nhis territory. This was his territory. And he had John then--and I just remember\nhow unhappy John was about it at the beginning.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I'm sure. I didn't realize that he was doing all the\nhands-on coaching., or doing most of it.\n\nMAYO: I mean, he took one look at our little ragged group. And here he'd been\ncoaching these collegiate winners! But, he got into it. I mean, I gotta give it\nto John. He finally began to grow with the idea. But by the time he grew enough\nwith the idea, the team had outgrown me. So at that time, I don't know if they\nhad some scholarship--something happened, because how did Donna Stockton and Val\nand all those girls get here? I mean, that had to be--there had to be ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nsome sort of scholarship along the way. There was not?\n\nPOTEET: Not the first year.\n\nMAYO: Not that first year.\n\nPOTEET: The first year, scholarships were not legal. Not until Title IX was passed.\n\nMAYO: Okay. So anyway, but I think John saw the writing on the wall. He could\nhave a women's team that could compete at a high level. And so then he got way\nmore into that for a few years. And then I think it just got too tough to do,\none person trying to do two teams.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And then who came in?\n\nMAYO: Was it Marilyn?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Oh yeah. Marilyn Rindfuss. This all makes a whole lot more sense\nto me now.\n\nMAYO: And as the world turns, and I know both her boys still to this day, even\nthough Marilyn's gone on. And I taught her oldest one, Allen (SP), in first\ngrade, at Saint Luke's. Isn't that funny how the world turns? But yeah. So they\nwere very interested in all this history, the boys were. So anyway, that was a\nside note.\n\nPOTEET: So, as we spoke a little earlier, to follow up on Tex Taylor and the\npro, it's my recollection that Tex Taylor and I went to Dr Winipress and told\nhim what we had here. And I can recall his statement was, \"We'll need to run\nthis by Clarence.\" And then it left my hands at that point.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I'm just finding this interesting in that all this so far has\nreally not been done or encouraged or motivated by the present tennis coach and\nmen's coach. That this is something that generated outside, and then they became\npart of it and helped it, and we moved on from there. But you were right at that\npivotal point to where Title IX was beginning to kick in, and there was at least\na vision of, \"Something better is going to happen here.\"\n\nMAYO: Right. And by my second year at Trinity, that 1970-1971 season, that was\nwhen Susan Mapes, Janna Hooton--they were all really good players.\n\nPOTEET: Dru Duggins.\n\nMAYO: Dru Duggins.\n\nPOTEET: Nancy Weigel.\n\nMAYO: Nancy Weigel. Once again, Sarah Mayo goes way down on the totem pole from there.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But do you know how they were getting there? Recruiting was not a big--\n\nPOTEET: They were coming here as students.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right, but they would be aware. I guess they were aware that\nTrinity was a tennis university.\n\nMAYO: They had to be, because they came to play tennis, too. I think they were\ncoming as students, but they came to play tennis. At that point, it was easy to\nsay we had a coach. At that point, we had John.\n\nPOTEET: And Susan Mapes' father was a tennis pro.\n\nMAYO: He was a pro. We all knew them because we had played tennis down there.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But there'd be a lot of word of mouth going on, wouldn't there?\n\nMAYO: You bet. Tournaments and stuff.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: About, \"This is happening here and we've got a coach.\" And there's\nall these different contacts, right?\n\nPOTEET: Trinity was just known as a tennis school. They used that for publicity.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Right. Tennis Tech.\n\nPOTEET: When the men were winning.\n\nMAYO: Right. And people took that for granted that it was a women's tennis\nschool, too. And they just didn't know. But, once again, it quickly, once we got\nthe ball rolling, once we said, \"We're bringing this person in,\" and Clarence\nsaid, \"No, we're going to put this person in,\" then the ball began to roll.\nBecause they knew we were serious. There was no backing down now. You had people\nhere that were here playing tennis and they were good and there was a place for\nit to go. And so that I think got the wheel turning, and then it just went up,\nup, up, and up.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I guess the analogy is here, you have to overcome inertia\nbefore you can--before the ball starts to roll. The ball's just going to sit\nthere unless somebody gives it a push.\n\nMAYO: And the Lord works in wondrous ways. I was never probably going to be one\nof those top tennis players, so he gave me a new--he gave me a different\nresponsibility, and that was to kind of get it going.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And so then you did play tennis throughout your career here?\n\nMAYO: I did. Yes. I actually even got to go to the NCAAs (National Collegiate\nAthletic Association) one year and represent Trinity with Nancy.\n\nPOTEET: And you've got that on some of the papers I gave you today.\n\nMAYO: And I lost the first round. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"couldn't even get a ball in the\ncourt! The altitude--my ball was just sailing.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But when you said now NCAA--\n\nMAYO: Well, it's not called that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No because they didn't have women's programs then. So was it the\nWomen's Lawn Tennis? This is the bit that always gets me.\n\nPOTEET: Yeah. USLTA (United States Lawn Tennis Association).\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah. Okay. We'll work that out.\n\nMAYO: There it is.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, U.S.--okay, can I have that?\n\nPOTEET: Yeah. I've given him this already.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Is that in there? This one's in here?\n\nPOTEET: No, that wasn't in there.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, I'd like that. We could use that for an illustration of what\nwe're talking about. And then I guess the other question while we're talking\nabout it, Sarah, is do you have any photos of that group, or do we have one?\n\nPOTEET: Well, we're getting some from PR (Public Relations).\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah. That's all a little later, right?\n\nMAYO: Well, no.\n\nPOTEET: No, no, no, no.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I mean, are most of your first seven in there? Are a lot of them\nin there?\n\nMAYO: The first seven are in this one.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: In this one, okay.\n\nMAYO: And then this one is the next one, right? Isn't Susan Mapes and--no.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: What's the date on that one?\n\nPOTEET: They were 1972. Susan Mapes and Weigel and--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: This is 1972 here.\n\nMAYO: This is 1972 right here.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Where did you get that? Out of the Trinitonian?\n\nPOTEET: It's the same as this, I think. No, this came from PR.\n\nMAYO: This came from--let's see. This is Dru--this is Carol Crafton, Karen\nBrumbaugh, Pam Steinmetz, Jeannie Benedict (SP), Nancy Weigel, Bonnie Sandy\n(SP), Susan Mapes, Donna Letieri (SP), Anne Hutton (SP), Gladys Munt, Janna,\nSarah. Dru Duggins and Shirley Rushing were missing. But it says Coach John\nNewman, which is interesting.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So, it's got to be after--\n\nMAYO: So that had to be probably--when we hit 1970--it was probably 1971. And\nthen this was what? 1972?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah.\n\nMAYO: So that kind of gives you a general idea.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. Well, you got that from PR?\n\nPOTEET: This one I think came from PR. Oh, well it says from Gretchen Rush.\n\nMAYO: Gretchen got it--I sent it to you.\n\nPOTEET: Yes.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I just need like a date on it; that's all. I just want to make\nsure what actual date that is. That's no big problem.\n\nMAYO: And this was 1973. This is when I was talking about when I actually handed\nthem balls. Because that was the year I graduated. So, that was the year--is\nDonna Stockton?--yeah. That's Donna and Val and that group. And at that point I\nwas out of my league. But John was nice enough to let me stay a part of. So\nthat's why I knew the girls so well. But then I started teaching over at the\ncountry club. And so that was where they sort of took the lead.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, 1973, that's when the first scholarships were given.\n\nPOTEET: Well, they were given in--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Because Val and Donna--\n\nPOTEET: They were given in the fall of 1973, for the 1973-1974 year. Because\n1973 is when we won nationals and they were not on scholarship.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's right. So, 1973, 1974. But they were the first--that Val\nand--they were the first three to get--\n\nPOTEET: First four.\n\nMAYO: Nancy Weigel, Val.\n\nPOTEET: No, no. Donna, Mary, Joanne Russell, and Val.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. Well, I have something from the Trinitonian that says only\nthree, so we'll check that out.\n\nPOTEET: No. Well, Joanne didn't come in the fall semester of 1973.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. Well, then, that's why they probably just--\n\nPOTEET: She started in the spring semester of 1973.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. That's why they probably said three. The first three.\n\nMAYO: And see, that was 1971 when I participated with Nancy in this U.S. (United\nStates) whatever they called it.\n\nPOTEET: (INAUDIBLE)\n\nMAYO: Right. Right there. Nancy Spencer, Sarah Scott. So that was 1971.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So let's just follow up on you for a bit. We can come back to any\nother questions. So that was your role up until you graduated from Trinity. And\nthen what did you do after that as you graduated? What did you go on to do?\n\nMAYO: Well, I actually went to--I was teaching a lesson over at--what's the\nprivate school that used to be on the hill?\n\nPOTEET: Saint Luke's\n\nMAYO: TMI (Texas Military Institute). I was teaching a lesson up there, and Chip\nMassey, who had graduated and played at Trinity, was giving a lesson over there\non that court. And he ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was the pro at a new club that was about to\nopen up, and he asked me if I'd like to be his assistant pro. And so I did that.\nAnd then I came back to Trinity.\n\nPOTEET: What club was that?\n\nMAYO: It was--I don't know, I worked at all of them. (laugh) Name one.\n\nPOTEET: That's all right.\n\nMAYO: I can't think of the name of it right now. Not Northern Hills. I just\ncan't think of the name of it right now. But anyway, so then I decided--I did\nthat for about a year and a half and then I decided to come back to graduate\nschool in education. Came back to Trinity to graduate school, taught at Saint\nLuke's for three years and realized that I really wanted to get back on the\ncourt. And that's when I went back on the court. And then I was teaching at--\n\nPOTEET: Dominion?\n\nMAYO: Well, I taught at Retama, for a while. And then I ultimately ended up at Dominion.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And what did you major in at Trinity?\n\nMAYO: I majored in music. I had a BA (Bachelor of Arts) in Music. Then I got a\nMaster's as an Educational Diagnostician. A Master's in Education.\n\nNEAL: What year did you come back for your Master's?\n\nMAYO: I knew you were gonna ask me that. I don't know.\n\nPOTEET: And you left out one other profession, I recall. Cotton Tots (SP).\n\nMAYO: Yeah. Well, I've done many things. (laugh) I'm a real entrepreneur; let's\nput it like that. But what I do want to say about my tennis teaching out, not\njust at Dominion, but I started it elsewhere and then moved it to the Dominion,\nit was thanks to, here at Trinity, the motor lab.\n\nPOTEET: Bob Strauss?\n\nMAYO: Bob Strauss. I spent a lot of time in the motor lab with Bob Strauss\nduring my Trinity years, and I used that to develop a program for four- to\neight-year-olds, a motor development program, that I used out at Dominion, and\nit is still running. It was called Future Stars and we eventually changed the\nname to Mighty Muscles. And it is a great program for four- to eight-year-olds,\nand it's a motor development program. And we take them through all the motor\nskills from tennis to basketball to soccer to swimming to so forth and so on. So\nTrinity formulated a lot of great things for me.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, that's one of the questions we lead into, What do you see as\nthe values that you did get out of attending Trinity, and to what extent would\nyou say athletics played a role in those values?\n\nMAYO: Well, athletics, played a role in my livelihood, needless to say. I mean,\nI taught tennis for over 30 years. With that, and the motor development program\nthat I ran every summer for 20 years, I would say that tennis and Trinity and\nthe education that I got at Trinity both in the Physical Education Department\nand in the Education Department, played a huge role in what I was able to\ndevelop and do.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So, could you like maybe translate that into like values? What\nqualities of life did you think it gave you?\n\nMAYO: It also gave me Brian Mayo (SP), my husband.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: Which was the best thing I got out of the whole deal.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We will not include that in the--that's one of the worst mistakes\nyou ever made!\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: But what values--we always talk about values that you get,\nqualities of life. Did any of that you think you got out of your Trinity\nexperience? You know, if somebody asked you that--\"What did you get out of it?\"\n\nMAYO: Never really thought about that. I have to think about that a minute. I\nthink one of the values I got was quality. I pretty much don't do things unless\nthey have the quality in them. I just think that's huge. So a quality program, a\nquality teacher, a quality marriage. I think it just all goes together. So I\nwould say, from my experience, the quality was always at Trinity. They say put\nyour money where your mouth is. Well,--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I think sometimes that we find that students ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"who go to\nTrinity and do not participate in athletics, they sometimes carry away different\nthings, about their lifestyle and that, than athletes do.\n\nMAYO: Right. I guess the other thing that I--remember I was in the Music\nDepartment. And I studied with Rosalind Phillips. So, talk about quality.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: And so I carried with--and I went to the chapel every Sunday. I sang in\nthe Trinity choir. And so I got a broader education than just one focus. And\nonce again, it was full of quality.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We talk about Trinity being a liberal arts school to where you do\nget open to many different things in your life that you wouldn't if you just\nnarrowly focused on one thing.\n\nMAYO: And size has a lot to do with that. I think the size of Trinity was\nperfect for me, particularly coming from such a small town and such a small\nschool. And education, yes. I mean, obviously I got a great education. And\nparticularly I got a great education in the Education Department and the Music\nDepartment, because that's where I put my energy. Beyond that, I'm not sure they\ngot much out of me.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We have a list of great questions that Jes has prepared. I think\nwe've gone through most of them. But I want to be sure--Jes, you or Meredith or\nShirley want to add in here now?\n\nPOTEET: I want to go back. She's left out a part part of her life. I want you to\ntell us about Cotton Tots (SP) and then what you're doing right now.\n\nMAYO: Well, after I was off the court, at one point in my life--I had been\nteaching school. Because I taught school for three years. I taught first grade\nfor three years after I finished my Master's, before I went back on the court.\nAnd in the midst of all that, then eventually--after Brian and I were\nmarried--and we were married young, at 22, so when I turned 30, we had children.\nAnd I started--my dad was cotton farmer in southeast Arkansas, so I grew up\nwearing cotton and believing that made in the USA (United States of America) was\na great thing and all that good stuff. And so I was trying to find these\nall-cotton soft things for babies. And the only thing I could find came from\nFrance. It was Petit Bateau and one other one, Absorba. And so I thought, \"Well,\nwe'll just make them.\" So we started a business called Cotton Tots and we\ndesigned and manufactured fabric as well as we were--as play wear for kids. And\nit was quite a feat for someone who knew nothing about it!\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: So, the only thing I knew anything about was cotton and I learned a lot\nmore about it during that period. But I had two friends that worked with me and\nwe--they--designed a fabulous line and I marketed it all over the United States.\nI went to New York market and California market and Dallas market and Miami\nmarket. All over. And had we not had a fabric disaster, where the print--at that\ntime, printing on cotton fabric, not just regular cotton fabric but cotton\ninterlock fabric, knit fabric--they only did it in two places in the country,\nCalifornia and in Florida. Well, I was kind of a long way from both those, so I\nwas having to do--and I couldn't afford to just fly there, so I was having to do\nthis via phone. This was before FaceTiming and Skyping and whatever. So one year\nthey sent inferior fabric and it got printed, and we weren't going to put out an\ninferior product! I came from Trinity; I came from quality! So my dad said, \"You\nknow, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"there are times when you just cut your losses and maybe move on\nto the next thing.\" So at that point, I decided that--so slowly but surely I\nkind of sold everything off and we were done. But we made quite a run with it\nand it was fun. And we put out a great, great product, of which I still have\nsome in storage, and do you know to this day I can wash it and hand it and give\nit as a gift and no one would never know. I mean, that fabric has held up that\nwell all these years.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Just roughly what time frame was that you were doing that?\n\nMAYO: Well, Cameron's 35 now and he must have been two when I started, so that\ntells you how long ago it was. It have been in the early 1980s.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And so there's one more thing that you wanted--?\n\nPOTEET: What's she's doing right now.\n\nMAYO: Well, then I went back on the court for a long time and taught. And then I\ncame off the court at the time when--my sister got really ill at age 50, and so\nI started going back and forth to Miami where she was. She had five children,\nand the two oldest were grown, but three of them were like 14, 15, 16. And so\nanyway, ultimately she died a year later, and over a period of time, a few years\nlater, we ended up raising the last two of them. So we had two extra teenagers\nin the house, while one of mine went away to ballet school. And it was just--it\nwas wild. I don't remember a whole lot about those years. And then I looked\nafter my--then after we got all that handled and everybody got on track, then I\nlooked after my dad--Brian and I did--for seven years. And during that period,\nmy son, who was away at college, bought an outfitting business in Montana. And\nhe always wanted to hunt and fish and take people into the mountains and\nwhatever. Because he was 21 years old, I figured he needed a little help, so I\nagreed to do the marketing and book work and all that kind of stuff for him and\nlet him get his arms around the operations part. Well, that was 13 years ago,\nand I'm still doing it.\n\nALL: (laugh)MAYO: And now he tells me that if I retire, he's going to.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: I was like, \"You're a little young, bud, to be retiring from this.\" So\nanyway, I am very involved in his outfitting business. So that's it.\n\nNEAL: In terms of your athletic experience here at Trinity, what's one thing you\nwould change if you could? What was the best thing and the worst thing about\nyour experience as a student athlete?\n\nMAYO: I don't know. I never think of life like that. I would say--well, the\ntoughest thing was coming and not having a coach. I mean, that's the very first\nthing I would have changed. Because I always felt like if I had some regular\ncoaching, I might have been able to be one of those people that could really\nhave excelled at tennis from a playing standpoint. I feel I did excel, in terms\nof a teaching pro, but as a playing pro, I think I certainly could have been a\nlot better, had I had that opportunity. So I would say that was my biggest\ndisappointment. Now what was the other part of that question?\n\nNEAL: The best part of your experience.\n\nMAYO: Tennis-wise, I would say how I was guided. Okay, first of all, all the\npeople that surrounded me. And then how I was guided to a profession in tennis.\nI don't think that that was just me having the idea. I think that there were\npeople around me from Trinity that helped guide that enthusiasm to something\nthat I could do with it, which was teach.\n\nNEAL: And you speak about quality. I know you went to Trinity for undergrad and\nthen you came back for your Master's. So can you speak to your academic\nexperience? Because obviously you thought you were receiving a quality\neducation. Well, you did receive a quality education?\n\nMAYO: Yeah. I was a totally different student in graduate school.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: I was a really good student in graduate school and very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nfocused. But, I mean, I had found my gift. My gift was teaching. So it was hard\nwork, but I was ready for it. And the people in the Education Department at that time--John--\n\nELSIK: John Moore.\n\nMAYO: --was head of it. And I had--I was her graduate assistant--female--reading specialist.\n\nELSIK: Margaret Davidson (SP)? No?\n\nPOTEET: Karen (SP)?\n\nMAYO: Sue? Oh, Hawkins. I was Sue's graduate assistant.\n\nPOTEET: Oh, yes, yes.\n\nMAYO: And the kindergarten specialist that was there.\n\nELSIK: Jean Callahan (SP).\n\nMAYO: Oh, my gosh. She told me everything I needed to know teach first grade. So\nyeah, it was a phenomenal group of people. As a matter of fact, it was so\ngood--and once again, I was so well guided because I didn't really know what\npart of that I wanted to do and so they had me get a certification in\nkindergarten, special ed and, elementary. So I student taught three times, but\nit was great. And then I thought I wanted to do all the educational testing\nstuff because I was so terrible at taking all of them and I thought, \"Well, I'll\nreally get good at testing; then I'll just test right out of this market.\" Well,\nthat was not my forte. I could give a child a test and I could skew their test\n10 points by just how I gave it to them, just my body language, just my--and I\nwas like--I was so disgusted with that. By the time I realized that, I was like,\n\"I don't want to do this. This is like pigeonholing them for--\" First of all,\nI'd have them all geniuses.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nMAYO: So, anyway, that wasn't gonna work. So I never actually used it. I did my\nthree years of teaching so that I could use--because you had to do that in order\nto be able to work as an educational diagnostician. Never used it. Used it a\nlot, but just not in that. Because when you're teaching kids, when you're doing\nthat motor development program, you're writing educational plans for those kids\nbasically. So, I just took all of it and used it in the way it worked for me.\n\nPOTEET: I'll just throw in a comment at the end, that I was here on this faculty\n35 years, and I really think Sarah Scott Mayo was the most versatile student\nI've seen at Trinity.\n\nPERSON: Whoa!\n\nPOTEET: Well, you've heard what she's done. I mean, how can you disagree? (laughs)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, like I say, except for that one mistake she made. That's all.\n\nALL: (laugh)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Let me just ask you this. I got interviewed just this past week.\nThey're preparing something for the president's dinner here this time. They\nwould love to have that quotation about \"all the people surrounding me.\" This is\none of the things they were looking for, asking me. And they're interviewing a\nlot of other people, but I just thought that all it would be, if they ever used\nit, would be (INAUDIBLE) taken a photo of you or they might want some similar\nphoto to what we have. But it's just that sound bite. Would you mind if I--?\n\nMAYO: Not at all. That's such a true statement. No, I'd be happy.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Okay. Well, we got it on tape. They do these kind of flashing\nthings, and you're an alum, and you just say something--\"what I got out of\"--the\nway you said that. It may be that you might want to refine it because we were\nasking you the question, where if you had said \"What I got out of Trinity\"--but\nI don't want to make it artificial. Chances are they're never going to use it,\nbut I just thought I'd like to have them hear that. I think that's a nice--a\nwonderful statement. Well, we appreciate you doing this, and you add\nsomething--again, the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"question that Jes raised was that so many of\nthe women have--the fact that what they missed out on, right? That they just\nmissed out on something that these other people who come after you--but you made\nit possible for them to have it. But we've had other people comment to the same\nway about, \"Well, I missed really having a team. I missed this.\" And I think\nit's important that the people hear some of this, that this was something\nthat--a kind of battle you all had to fight. It might have been a fad, right? If\nthere wasn't enough people doing that.\n\nMAYO: What's important about that, though, is that we may have missed out on\nthat, but then those girls then ended up--their Trinity experience could only\nembrace so much, because then they were being paid to play. And there is\nsomething about that. There is something to that. And I realize that now, the\nolder I've gotten, that had I come with that tunnel focus--and this comes from\nhaving my daughter professionally dance--when you get that tunnel focus, you\nmiss out on a lot of the other things, the other opportunities. So it's hard for\nme to say that now, because I have to kind of bite my words from before when\nthey took Division I out of here, but I get it now. It took a long time.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: You got something really different, a different experience, out of\nthis. And that's one thing that--we've done a lot about Libby Johnson, and I\nguess you just kind of missed--she just came in there at the end, right?\n\nMAYO: Well, I knew Libby.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's one thing she really didn't want to ever have was\nscholarship sports. She said she wanted to coach people who wanted to come and\nplay, not to have scholarships. That she thought that was a better way to do it.\nThat you professionalize it; you gain something, you lose something.\n\nMAYO: You gain something, you lose something. And I think it was nice for it to\nbe offered to those girls over the years, and certainly it made for some great\nTrinity tennis memories and put Trinity on the map in a lot of ways from a\nwomen's standpoint. I mean, it was the school of tennis, so it gave it its\nstart. But I think that what it has evolved to is really interesting and it's\nunfortunate that you can't have both. But that's always a money issue.\n\nPOTEET: But if we hadn't given the scholarships when everyone else started\ngiving the scholarships, then we would not have been able to compete in those\nyears in the 1970s.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, particularly tennis.\n\nPOTEET: Right, right, right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And then tennis was always a different sport because it had a\nclear track, and tennis as a sport was very high on the pro--you know,\nvolleyball or softball or that wasn't high on the profile, so that the women who\ncame in to play tennis after you folks got it going had a different path altogether.\n\nMAYO: Absolutely.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Because they started getting scholarships and they were part of\nsomething that was really already a big-time thing. So the others didn't have\nthat and they had a much longer struggle to get any kind of recognition. We just\nkeep finding more and more that--I was just doing some work with some bowling,\nand the comments about, \"This is a man's sport. What are the women doing here?\nWe don't--they can't--\" So it seemed like almost in every sport, they had to\nfight that.\n\nMAYO: Right. Well, when I was growing up, there was no girls tennis team. I\nplayed with all the guys. And when I went from--in my school, which had 100\nstudents first grade to 12, so there were like eight kids in my class--when they\nintegrated the schools, and the first several years--I mean, we were there. But\nmy ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/transcript/30540/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brother could graduate from Tillar as a National Merit Scholar and\ngo to Duke University. I could have straight A's but I wasn't going to have any\nkind of score because I didn't test well. So, mom and dad had me go to McGehee\nmy junior and senior year, which was 15 miles away. And so I went there my\njunior and senior year. There were two boys that played tennis. They really\nplayed on the baseball team, but they played tennis. But I played on the tennis\nteam with them. Seriously.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That was the tennis team.\n\nMAYO: That was the tennis team. So it was just wherever you could get a game. It\ndidn't matter.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, we could probably stay and keep getting more and more\ninformation here, but we gotta--\n\nMAYO: We don't need any more than that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: No, we gotta stop so--\n\n(END INTERVIEW)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=3000.0,3300.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Sarah_Scott_Mayo.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=0.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: This is February the 8th, uh 2018 and I'm R. Douglas Brackenridge, retired professor at Trinity University, here with Shirley Rushing...","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=0.0,59.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why Trinity?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=59.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: Could you tell us why you came to Trinity? Give us a background about um what you were doing before? Were you playing tennis in high school? Were you interested or was that one of the major reasons you came to Trinity? Could you talk a little bit about that?\n\nMAYO: I can. I actually was a basketball player until about I was 15. I thought I wanted to be a professional basketball player and I was not 5 feet tall yet. So my father decided that we needed to expand my horizons...","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=59.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tennis Expectations ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=215.0,386.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: When you got to Trinity, what was the... was it what you expected it to be?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: So what was the situation then when you came? Had you talked to tennis people before you came?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=215.0,386.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shirley Rushing's Impact on Women's Tennis ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=386.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MAYO: We must have found our way down to Shirley. And she took us under her wing. And honestly we would have had nothing. No balls, no courts, no nothing, no organized practice, no tournaments, zilch had it not been for her.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=386.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finding a Coach and Advocacy for Women's Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=680.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MAYO: So by going into that next year.\n\nMAYO: That was the year, we said, were not doing this again.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=680.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sarah Scott Mayo's Playing Experience at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1182.0,1386.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: So then, you did play tennis throughout your career here?\n\nMAYO: I did. 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That's when the first scholarships were given.\n\nRUSHING: Well they were given in the fall of 73 because for the 73/74 year.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1386.0,1456.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Life after Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1456.0,2262.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: So let's just follow up on you for a bit. We can come back to any other questions. So that was your role up until you graduated from Trinity. And then what did you do after that as you graduated? What did you go on to do?\n\nMAYO: Well, I actually went to--I was teaching a lesson over at--what's the private school that used to be on the hill?\n\nPOTEET: Saint Luke's\n\nMAYO: TMI (Texas Military Institute). I was teaching a lesson up there, and Chip Massey, who had graduated and played at Trinity, was giving a lesson over there on that court. And he was the pro at a new club that was about to 00:25:00open up, and he asked me if I'd like to be his assistant pro. And so I did that. And then I came back to Trinity.\n\nPOTEET: What club was that?\n\nMAYO: It was--I don't know, I worked at all of them. (laugh) Name one.\n\nPOTEET: That's all right.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=1456.0,2262.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Best and worst thing about her student-athlete experience","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2262.0,2375.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"INTERVIEWER: In terms of your athletic experience, what's one thing that you would change if you could? What was the best thing and the worst thing about your experience as a student-athlete.\n\nMAYO: I don't really think of life like that.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2262.0,2375.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Academic Experience at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2375.0,2570.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"INTERVIEWER: Speaking about quality, you went to Trinity for your undergrad and then came back for your masters. Can you speak to your academic experience because obviously you thought you were receiving a quality education.\n\nMAYO: I was a totally different student in graduate school.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2375.0,2570.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comments on Mayo","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2570.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RUSHING: I will just throw in a comment at the end, that I was here on this faculty 35 years and I really think that Sarah Scott Mayo was the most versatile student I've seen at Trinity.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2570.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Effects on Women's Athletics Experiences ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123#t=2692.0,3051.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46067/file/119123/index/48420/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE:...Well, we appreciate you doing this, and you add something--again, the question that Jes raised was that so many of 00:45:00the women have--the fact that what they missed out on, right? That they just missed out on something that these other people who come after you--but you made it possible for them to have it. But we've had other people comment to the same way about, \"Well, I missed really having a team. I missed this.\" And I think it's important that the people hear some of this, that this was something that--a kind of battle you all had to fight. It might have been a fad, right? If there wasn't enough people doing that.\n\nMAYO: What's important about that, though, is that we may have missed out on that, but then those girls then ended up--their Trinity experience could only embrace so much, because then they were being paid to play. And there is something about that. There is something to that. And I realize that now, the older I've gotten, that had I come with that tunnel focus--and this comes from having my daughter professionally dance--when you get that tunnel focus, you miss out on a lot of the other things, the other opportunities. 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