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Let me do a formal introduction just so we have this on tape,\nHalie, and then we'll get more casual. Today is Monday, June 8th, 2020 and this\nis an interview for the oral history project of Trinity University's women's\nintercollegiate athletics. My name is Betsy Gerhardt Pasley. I'm a graduate of\n1977 and also a former intercollegiate athlete myself. We also have Douglas\nBrackenridge, professor emeritus, Department of Religion, from 1962 to 2002. And\nhoping we'll have joining us Shirley Rushing Poteet, who was an associate\nprofessor of the Department of Physical Education from 1960 to 1995, and\ndepartment chair from 1985 to 1995. So, I think Shirley was there, Halie, right\nwhen you were getting ready to leave. Anyway, our interviewee today is Halie\nBricker Benson. And Halie, are you class of 1994? Is that correct?\n\nBENSON: No, I graduated in 1997.\n\nPASLEY: Class of 1997. And you played volleyball and basketball?\n\nBENSON: I did, and threw a year of track and field in there as well. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: That's the formal introduction so that we have that for anybody taking\nnotes or wanting to know what we're doing. What we'll do really, Halie--what you\ncan bring is just any memories you have, not just events, but also some\nfeelings. What we're trying to do is really capture, through oral history, the\nstories and the narratives that go along with a lot of the history that Doug has\nbeen digging up literally over the last three years. And by the way, Doug\ncomes--I'm gonna brag on you, Doug--he comes to this from a pretty good\nperspective because he did this history at Trinity University 150--or in 2003.\nIt's like 140 years. And so he has brought some great stuff and really is the\none who got this project going. Doug, do you want to add anything before we\nstart going through our questions for Halie?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I'll just say that we got interested in this project because\nit took Trinity women about a hundred years before they ever got to play\nintercollegiate athletics. And we were interested initially in the periods back\n1950, 1960, 1970. But we decided that we wanted to follow through. And we're\ntaking it up to the present, but focusing right now on the 1990s, on the decade\nof the 1990s. So you were one of the athletes that played prominently in\nbasketball and so we thought we'd like to hear know your story. And it's mainly\na personal story and not asking you a lot of names and dates and so forth. But\njust to give us a feel of what your experience was. And Betsy's a former\nathlete, so she's a good one to kind of lead the discussion.\n\nPASLEY: By the way, to Doug's point, we had started just thinking--because the\n1970s were Title IX, and that's when Title IX started. There's a dump truck\noutside of our new townhouse here in Colorado, so (laughs) if you hear\nsomething, that's the dump truck or it's my husband. Anyway, but what was\ninteresting is as we were going through this, you could see that the 1970s were\nkind of a forming decade, but we really didn't get very far. The 1980s, we were\nstill trying to figure things out. And it looks like the 1990s were where things\nreally started to come together. We got into Division III. We were starting to\ndo really well in our own conference and things like that. So that's why I think\nthe 1990s--to us, it looks like a time of fulfillment. But you can correct us if\nwe're wrong on that. So what I want to do is start with--first of all, let me\nstart with what you're doing now. And later I want to ask more about how you got\nto Alaska. But what is your job or what do you do today during working hours?\n\nBENSON: My husband and I own our own business. We have a guiding and outfitting\nbusiness here in Alaska. We started that in 2003. And recently we just got our\nrealtor licenses up here so now we're both licensed realtors and starting that\nendeavor as well.\n\nPASLEY: So, entrepreneurs at heart, I guess? Have you always been there?\n\nBENSON: Yes. When ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was going to Trinity, we had to decide a major by\nsophomore year and it took me every--up to the last second to decide. I wasn't\nsure what I wanted to do, what I wanted to be. And so yeah, when I graduated\neven, my mom wanted to give me a really expensive briefcase when I graduated\nwith a business degree. So I said, \"Man, I'm just--I'm not a heels and hose type\nof girl. I can't picture myself sitting behind a desk every day, going to that\ncorporate world.\" So I still, when I graduated, wasn't sure what I was gonna do.\nBut yeah, I knew I was going to do something different. I couldn't do the nine\nto five work for somebody else. Just wasn't in me.\n\nPASLEY: By the way, Shirley can see us but she's not getting audio or a video,\nso we may have to--she's got some issue with her update. By the way, Halie, how\nmany 22-year olds really know what they're going to do with their lives, right?\n\nBENSON: Honestly, I was amazed. There was some (INAUDIBLE) they knew exactly\nwhere they were going, what they were going to do. And I was just like, \"How?\nHow do you know that?\" (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: And then a lot of them wake up when they're 40 and think, \"Why am I\ndoing this?\" But anyway. So where are you from originally? Where did you come to\nTrinity from?\n\nBENSON: I grew up in a very small town called Challis. That's in Idaho. And I\nmade it to Trinity because I followed a boy. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: You followed a boy? Okay. By the way, what was the name of the town?\n\nBENSON: Challis.\n\nPASLEY: How do you spell that?\n\nBENSON: C-H-A-L-L-I-S.\n\nPASLEY: Where's that? Is that near Boise or is that on the other side?\n\nBENSON: It's north of Boise. It's a good drive from Boise but it's (INAUDIBLE).\n\nPASLEY: Okay. That's a long way from home. Wow. Okay.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I have granddaughters in Pocatello.\n\nBENSON: That's closer than Boise. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Is that the guy you ended up marrying?\n\nBENSON: No, it's not. But we did talk about it.\n\nPASLEY: Well, we're happy you followed him anyway. Did you play sports in high\nschool or middle school?\n\nBENSON: I did. I started--volleyball I think was offered in seventh grade for\nthe first time as a team sport. And basketball, I think in fourth grade,\nelementary school level, we had some parent volunteers that would dedicate their\nSaturdays to teaching us some of the fundamentals of basketball--dribbling,\nshooting form sort of thing, passing, all that. So I got to learn a little bit\nearlier in basketball.\n\nPASLEY: Wow. Did sports play a role in you coming to Trinity?\n\nBENSON: Absolutely. It played a role in me going to school anywhere. I'd often\nwander in from classes, to or from classes, seeing unfamiliar faces, because\nthey didn't play sports, and thinking, \"How do they do this? They're just here\nto go to school.\" (laughs) I had to be--I wanted to play sports. And that's why\nI ended up playing--Trinity played a big part in where I went because I needed\nto be able to play both volleyball and basketball. I couldn't give one up at\nthat point. I had to play both. And Trinity allowed me to do that.\n\nPASLEY: Were you looking at some other schools seriously or--?\n\nBENSON: I had a full ride to a junior college my first year that I went to, in\nIdaho, and I went there. And then I transferred to Trinity after that. But yeah,\nI visited a couple schools in San Diego--La Jolla, USC (University of Southern\nCalifornia). But when talking to the Division I schools, they were pretty\nadamant that it it's pretty difficult to play two sports at that level. And like\nI said, I just couldn't picture myself not playing both of them, so I focused smaller.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Were you recruited? Did anybody recruit you?\n\nBENSON: Yeah. The JC (Junior College) recruited me. I don't remember--gosh, it's\nso long ago. I don't remember. I do remember scouts being at some of my high\nschool games and talking to them. I don't remember specifically from where. But\nI chose the JC because it did give me a full ride, and that's pretty persuasive\nwhen you're looking at a college bill. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Did anybody from Trinity recruit you from the junior college?  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nBENSON: Actually, yeah, they were recruiting even in high school. Coach Jenkins\ndid. And actually Coach Geyer, Becky Geyer, I think her first year there was the\nyear I went to the JC. So the year that I talked to the basketball coach at\nTrinity, it wasn't Geyer. I can't remember that coach's name.\n\nPASLEY: Maybe Teresa Machu?\n\nBENSON: Yes, that sounds familiar. Teresa does sound familiar. I did speak with\nher and Coach Jenkins before I ended up going to the JC.\n\nPASLEY: Did they think they'd lost you, or they just stayed on the case and--?\n\nBENSON: Coach Jenkins helped me through the--I ended up red shirting from the JC\nyear, so she was the assistant athletic director I think at the time? And she\nhelped me through that process and got me my four years at Trinity. So that was\nnice, because I really did not want to lose that year.\n\nPASLEY: So Geyer had been a coach there for a year when you arrived, is that right?\n\nBENSON: I believe (INAUDIBLE).\n\nPASLEY: We had a really fun interview with Yanika Daniels, and she had also been\nrecruited by Teresa Machu and then she shows up on campus not knowing anybody,\ngoing down to the Bell Center to find her, and finds out she's not the coach\nanymore (laughs).\n\nBENSON: (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: So that had to have been interesting.\n\nBENSON: Yeah, that would be a little intimidating, I would think. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: When you were in high school, do you feel like the women's sports were\npretty equitable, or your opportunities were, or the facilities and things like that?\n\nBENSON: I do. I came from a very small town, so that in itself limited our\nopportunities, but we were I think afforded equal opportunities to the boys. We\nhad equal number of sports that we were allowed to participate in if we chose to\nand whatnot.\n\nPASLEY: How about at Trinity? Did you feel the same way?\n\nBENSON: I did. We had talked, I think, a little bit on the phone about the\nMidnight Madness thing. I have some vague memories of not getting to play my\nfirst year or two, and yet it wasn't--I think they're vague because also playing\nvolleyball, that was our end of the season. We always went to nationals in\nvolleyball. So we were still playing volleyball when Midnight Madness came\naround. So did I not get to play because I didn't want to injure myself in a\nbasketball scrimmage during volleyball national tournaments? So I don't know\nthat it had a (inaudible) me because I was still involved with volleyball.\n\nPASLEY: That makes sense. So you weren't upset about not playing because you\nwouldn't have wanted to anyway?\n\nBENSON: Well, yeah. You know, you get to the end, and it's like, \"I'm excited to\nplay basketball and yet I gotta finish up the volleyball season.\" So I was torn\nand had mixed feelings. But yeah, like I said, it just didn't hit me hard\nbecause I don't know that I got (INAUDIBLE).\n\nPASLEY: So you probably weren't even yet on the basketball team in practice\nbecause you were still in the volleyball playoffs?\n\nBENSON: Correct. Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: And that worked out okay for you, it sounds like. I think that might\nhave been an issue for the other coaches who are having to wait for y'all to finish.\n\nBENSON: Yes, (INAUDIBLE) see where they were at with that. But basketball starts\nout with just conditioning, training for the most part in the beginning. So I\nnever felt far behind, I guess, or at all. So I don't know if the coach agreed,\nbut-- (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, the Midnight Madness, it makes sense that you wouldn't have wanted\nto play. Do you recall like Yanika speaking up or other people speaking up about it?\n\nBENSON: I guess not specifically. Like I said, I have these vague memories of\nthat feeling of like, yeah, why isn't it there for women? Like, why wouldn't it\nbe? To me it was just that, well, it just should be a given: if the boys get to\ndo it, then why not the girls? Like what's the reasoning behind not having the\nwomen's Midnight Madness? I never understood that part of it. Why would you not\nhave it? (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: And it does sound like that was ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bob. I think Bob King had\njust come on board as the athletic director. So they made sure that the\nfollowing year, that both were involved.\n\nBENSON: Yeah, I do remember that got taken care pretty quickly, so that (INAUDIBLE).\n\nPASLEY: I want to do a quick check here. I see some boxes with Shirley's name.\nCan you hear us, Shirley? No, I think she's trying to get in. Okay, I just want\nto make sure we're not missing her. Doug, what else about that time?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, just a few other minutes on this Midnight Madness is that\none of the things that we have found throughout the years, that the women were\nnot given equal footing with the men. For example, the women always had to play\nthe early games and the men played the later games. There were reasons for that,\nbut it was always that way. And at least from my perspective as looking at the\nevent, it seemed even there in the 1990s that there was still a sense that\nbasketball meant men and not women. That was just a minor thing because that\nwas--you know, you play in your season and everything else. But it was just the\nfact that nobody seemed to think that the women should be involved. And it had\nto be the women that did a little bit of protest to get it to happen. But that\nwas not something that you experienced throughout your career? You didn't feel\nlike women's basketball was totally secondary to men's basketball? Is that true,\nor not?\n\nBENSON: We definitely had smaller crowds, for sure. People didn't show up as\nmuch for our games. They showed up later to watch the men. I don't know, I guess\nto me, I was just enjoying playing the game. I come from a small town in\nChallis, in Idaho, that--I wanted to play in college. I just didn't want to stop\nafter high school. And I got an opportunity to do that, and I was happy to play.\nAnd if they said we had the early game, I was playing in the early game. I\nwasn't doing it for a crowd; I was there to play. I don't know, I can see the\npoint of bringing the level of women's play up and saying, \"Hey, we are just as\nfun to watch, in our own way. You should be here to watch our games.\" But at the\ntime, I guess I was just enjoying playing. I was glad I had the opportunity.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's pretty typical of most all the women that we have\ninterviewed--that when you're looking back on something and you're looking at\nthe wider events, that at your age and the situation, you're playing and\nenjoying what you're doing. And these things maybe later in life are a little\nmore visible, but they're not as visible at the moment.\n\nBENSON: Exactly.\n\nPASLEY: So, an interesting story, Halie, about that, because Doug and I were\nboth smiling when you were saying that, because it has been repeated. But when\nwe were interviewing Teresa Machu who played softball in the 1980s--and so I\nplayed in the 1970s, and they didn't have fields until I think 1990. So when we\nasked Teresa, she said, \"Well, I don't really remember there being any different\nfacilities or anything.\" And so I said, \"Well, y'all didn't have a field to play\non at Trinity, right?\" And she goes, \"You know, that's true.\" So, I really think\nwhen you're 18 to 22 and you're so happy just to be playing that--and then later\nyou think, \"Wait a minute, did we get screwed?\" But I don't (INAUDIBLE).\n\nBENSON: Yeah, exactly. You're just happy to be there (INAUDIBLE). Yeah, absolutely.\n\nPASLEY: Now, when we were talking about like crowds for basketball, because you\nhad obviously a very good volleyball team, how were the crowds for that? Were\nthey pretty supportive?\n\nBENSON: Oh, yeah. They were very supportive. We did have bigger crowds for the\nvolleyball than we did the women's basketball, in the early years, for sure. I\nguess looking back with the vision of 2020 from behind, that I guess we did\n--even ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in sports or on TV, the televised stuff--even now, I kind of\nfeel like we're not as televised or it's not as advertised. It's not as\npromoted. To this day, it feels like women are kind of secondary, even with the\nWNBA (Women's National Basketball Association). There's just so many more--you\njust see more of the NBA (National Basketball Association), more the men's\nstuff. So I think we still have a way to go before we're I guess equal-equal.\nBut the opportunities are there. The WNBA started playing in 1997. That was the\nyear I graduated. I had been thinking for a while, why don't the women have a\nprofessional league? Why can't I do this and get paid for it professionally? The\nmen have a chance. So those were thoughts that were definitely roaming around in\nmy head at that time. But not knowing, well, where do you start with that? Where\ndo you even go to get that brought to whose attention? Who do you talk to?\n(INAUDIBLE) and get paid for it. So, not sure where to go with it all.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: If you think about it, Halie, we call it \"women's basketball\"; we\ndon't call it \"men's basketball.\"\n\nBENSON: Exactly.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We just call it \"basketball,\" right? You talk about the basketball\nteam, and you talk about the women's basketball team. And I thought that was\nalways, even in intramurals, I would find they would be talking about\n\"basketball\"; it would be men's intramurals. And then there would be something\nabout, \"Well, the women's intramurals.\" But it was just \"intramurals\" for the\nmen and then, oh, that was \"women's intramurals.\" I think that's just a part of\nthe culture, and as you say, I think it's still with us. It's still there. It's\nimproved greatly but it's still there, yeah.\n\nPASLEY: It was interesting, you mentioned that the WNBA started the year you\ngraduated. I mean obviously you were in Division III. Did you know people who\ntried to get into that league?\n\nBENSON: I didn't know anybody specifically, no. It never even really I guess\noccurred to me coming from a Division III level, for me to try. Like I didn't\ntry that first year out. It took me graduating and going home, back home for a\nlittle bit and just kind of going, okay, regrouping-- \"What am I going to do\nwith my life? What do I want to do? I have this degree. I don't want to go work\nin an office. What am I going to do?\" And I still didn't want to give up sports!\nSo then I'm looking, \"Well, we have the WNBA now. I do have a chance to get paid\nto play sports.\" So I sent tapes to the Salt Lake team. I sent one I think to\nthe Houston team. I think I sent one to maybe--was it the Phoenix team? I sent\nsome tapes out. And I actually got a letter--invitation to try out for the\nHouston Comets. So that following year in 1998, I did try out for Houston.\n\nPASLEY: And since you're not wearing an NBA jersey, did that not work out?\n\nBENSON: I did not make the team, but it was a great experience. They brought in\nsome of the team, the players, Cynthia Cooper being one of them. She was the\nthen-MVP (Most Valuable Player) of the league, and we scrimmaged against them.\nAnd my role at Trinity was basically defense, so I got put on the best offensive\nplayer of the other team and that was my job, was to disrupt their game. So when\nwe had our teams there at the WNBA or the tryouts, I chose Cynthia Cooper. I\ntold them, I said, \"I got Cooper.\" Because I wanted to see what I could do\nagainst her. We didn't scrimmage--it wasn't a full-length scrimmage or anything.\nWe had, I don't know, ten minutes or something. I don't remember. But she did\nnot score on me. And I scored a three-pointer on her! (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: (laughs)\n\nBENSON: And she stopped me out after this scrimmage was over. She actually came\nup to me and shook my hand and said, \"Nice three.\" I was like, \"Whoa! Cynthia\nCooper!\" So I have some great memories from that. But no, I did not make the team.\n\nPASLEY: That's a great story, though. Wow. Just to make it that far.\n\nBENSON: Yeah. (INAUDIBLE) the MVP (INAUDIBLE) year as well and (INAUDIBLE)\nconsecutive championships and the MVP of the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"finals all four years. I\nmean, so she was an amazing player. (INAUDIBLE) I can say that she didn't score\non me. I just--I'm not sure how hard she actually tried, but-- (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: I may be skipping ahead here, but now you guys obviously have an outside\nvery sports-related job. How did you get from a business degree with a new\nleather briefcase from your mom, which is also a great story, to trying out for\nthe WNBA and then what's happened since then?\n\nBENSON: Well, let's see. So, when I graduated with this degree--again, didn't\nhave any idea what I was gonna do. So that was when I came home, kind of\nregrouped, rethought. Tried out for the WNBA, didn't make it. Had to go, \"Okay,\nregroup again. Now what am I gonna do?\" I bounced around a little bit trying to\nfigure that out. I actually moved to Boise and lived there for a little over a\nyear, I think, and had a job at a--I don't know if you're familiar with Maravia,\nthe rubber raft, river raft--I worked there for a while. It's an outdoor store.\nThey made the rafts and all this. Did the river floating thing a little bit.\nCooked in the backcountry of Idaho in hunting camps. Went down to Arizona, did\nthe same thing. And that's actually where I met my current husband. And then I\njust stuck with--those sorts of things are what drew me. Being outside, doing\nthings kind of on my terms. Working the jobs I wanted to work. And so then I\nmet--when my husband and I got together, he had been coming up to Alaska as a\npacker, which is help packing meat, packing camp, stuff like that, in this\nindustry up here for a while. And when we got together, I was kind of like at\nthat point where I'm ready for a new adventure. He was ready to move up here. So\nwe did it. It was like, \"Okay, let's go.\" So that (INAUDIBLE) Alaska. And then\nhe did the packing thing for other people for a while until we just decided,\n\"You know what? Let's just do this on our own.\" And so we started our own\nbusiness doing the same thing.\n\nPASLEY: Cool. By the way, where I am right now--we're escaping the Colorado--we\nusually escape for the summers to get out of the heat in Texas, and we're in\nBuena Vista, Colorado. It's on the Arkansas River. So river rafting is a big\ndeal down here. A lot of the tourism, which this year, who knows what it's going\nto be like, but yeah, that's a lot--we have a lot of hiking. We have 14,000-foot\npeaks for people to hike. My husband's very much an outdoors--well, we're both\noutdoors people. He's the one who does the mountains. So I can sort of relate,\nbut we did not move to Alaska. How long have you been there?\n\nBENSON: Twenty years.\n\nPASLEY: Wow.\n\nBENSON: Yeah. It's crazy.\n\nPASLEY: And you're in--the town is--?\n\nBENSON: Wasilla.\n\nPASLEY: Wasilla, that's right. Doug, have you got a question? Because I've got\nsome too, but I just want to--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: If we can go back to the bit where you were playing more than one\nsport. It seems today that the trend is not to have athletes at the college\nlevel playing more than one sport, and to concentrate only on one sport. And\nthat now, unless you've done club sports and other things, you're not even gonna\nget on the team. You can't kind of walk on to anything and expect to play. I\nwonder if you have any comments on that or as to whether you think playing two\nsports enhanced your college experience or athletic experience, or whether it's\nbetter to have athletes just take one sport and that's it?\n\nBENSON: Well, I guess I have mixed feelings on that. I kind of see both sides.\nBecause I did play both sports my first two years there. My second year, I added\ntrack and field, so I played three sports. And then my last two years there, I\ndid only focus on basketball. I didn't play volleyball or track my last two\nyears. So ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess I've done both sides. And the reason I finally\ndecided on basketball was it is harder to do multiple sports in college and keep\nyour grades up and just--it was difficult. I think, though, that especially\ngrowing up and getting to that point, multiple sports is far better. So many of\nthem overlap skills-wise that you're developing, you know, hand-eye coordination\nin everything, in different ways. And I think it makes you a better overall\nathlete. And I was very versatile in whatever sport I played, and I think that\nwas because I played a lot of sports, and I did a lot of different things, and I\nwas good at multiple things. But going back to that, too, I also felt like\nespecially in track, I did almost every event out there, especially the jumping\nand the shorter sprints, the hurdles, all those things. And I felt like I was\ngood at a lot of them, but I wasn't a master of any of them. So if you feel like\nyou're drawn to one sport or the other, definitely chase that down. Be a master\nat that. Because it does I think spread you a little thin, and it takes an\nexceptional athlete to be exceptionally good at multiple sports. So for me, I\nknew that, and I knew that was kind of what I was sacrificing a little bit by\nchoosing to do more than one. But like I said with the volleyball and\nbasketball, I just loved playing them. It didn't matter to me. I was willing to\nnot master one specifically at the expense of the other. I wanted to do both. So\nthat was just a personal choice, I guess.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I guess my follow-up question would be, is that a better lifetime\ndecision than one who concentrates very narrowly? The one better reading I did\nsaid that athletes who concentrate only on the one sport are more prone to\ninjuries. That they're only working on one set of muscles and coordination and\nthey tend to have more injuries than athletes who in general have had other\ntraining and do cross training and that sort of thing. Your experience is much\nbroader than what a lot of the women today, and men, who's much more narrowly\nfocused. And I guess I'm comparing that to a liberal arts school, where the\nliberal arts school is more open to various perspectives. But the trend today is\nobviously quite different than what it was from your day. But yours was just\nmore a personal choice of wanting to really focus on something for a couple\nyears of your experience.\n\nBENSON: Yeah. And I think I've read maybe even some of the same articles, where\nespecially kids that are younger, don't streamline them into one thing. They\nneed the wide variety of the different sports and activities. And I think even\nthey've interviewed professional athletes who have played in high school, at\nleast, other sports, that they agree that made them a better athlete, by playing\nmore than just their sport that they're playing now. So yeah, maybe it comes to\na point where if you do get a chance to do this professionally, then yeah,\nyou're going to focus on that one sport and and try to master it. But the\nprocess of getting to that point, there needs to be a wider swath of just\nplaying different activities.\n\nPASLEY: And so again when you think back here, Halie, on playing Division III--I\nguess you were in the SCAC (Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference) conference, correct?\n\nBENSON: Correct.\n\nPASLEY: And what do you recall about the conference? About the traveling? About\nthe coaching? The level of competition? Those kinds of things?\n\nBENSON: Looking back on it now, I can see where it was kind of just one level up\nof high school, but it was the same structure, I think, where you had teams in\nthe conference ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that were much weaker, much much weaker, just like we\ndid in high school. In some of our conference games, we'd play teams where, man,\nif you didn't try not to, you would slaughter them. There were some weaker teams\nlike that, and then there were some stronger teams. And so I think that was part\nof maybe that growing period, that figuring it out period, of okay, everybody's\ntrying to equalize the balance here and make a competitive conference and get\nthe schools in the right places and the players in the right places and get it\ncompetitive. But as you remember, there was I guess a disparity within the\nconference even of all the teams that we were playing, and sometimes we had to\ngo outside the conference to get really challenged. Because we went to nationals\na couple years, and just that's a whole another level that we hadn't been\nexposed to yet in our conference.\n\nPASLEY: And that makes sense. I'm guessing now--conferences are always going to\ngo back and forth with the level of players and all that, but I think what\nTrinity was trying to do, like you say, was in that conference trying to find\npeople of similar circumstance and academic standing. Yeah, I could see that. So\nyou didn't feel like they were quite there yet when you were there, it sounds like?\n\nBENSON: No, I don't think so.\n\nPASLEY: And then that would be tough when you move into the playoffs and you\nreally may not have met the right kind of competition.\n\nBENSON: Yeah, it was a wake-up call for sure. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: And how far did y'all get in the playoffs, by the way?\n\nBENSON: Oh, shoot. Um--\n\nPASLEY: If you don't remember, that's fine.\n\nBENSON: I don't remember. I think we lost our first game the first time we went,\nand then I think we went a little bit further the second time. But oh man, I\ndon't remember exactly.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I've been reading some of that and I can't recall it all now, but\nI know you did lose early. And I think you're right, you did advance. And you\nwere playing some really top teams there that I'm sure even to just get out and\nplay close to some of those teams was an accomplishment. And that for your\nperiod of history, yours were some of the first sports to ever get to a national\nconference. We weren't getting into anything like that outside of tennis. Tennis\nused to be the big sport. But you all were moving up into a level there that we\nhad never accomplished before. And I guess Betsy's question about\ncoaching--could you describe the qualities of coaching that you received, that\nyou think were helpful in raising you to that level? Or was there not a whole\nlot of difference from coaching that you had experienced at a lower level?\n\nBENSON: I think Coach Jenkins was definitely a higher level, for sure, with the\nvolleyball. We went to nationals (INAUDIBLE) year that I played there, and the\ntwo years that I was still at school that I didn't play, they went. And, gosh,\nhonestly I think they went every year since I've been in school. I don't know\nthat they haven't. So she obviously knows what she's doing and does it well. I\nfelt a little bit like Coach Geyer was growing with us. As we were growing as a\nteam, she was growing as a coach. She was still a good coach, but I felt there\nwas just some growing pains for all of us throughout those years.\n\nPASLEY: By the way, I don't know if you if you are aware, Halie, but Julie\nJenkins is still at Trinity.\n\nBENSON: Yes, I know. (INAUDIBLE)\n\nPASLEY: It's incredible! To do anything like that for 35 years to me is incredible.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I took Julie Jenkins--me and a couple other of the people of\nathletics (INAUDIBLE) took her to her first breakfast when she was coming down\nto apply for the position. So I've known her for a long time and really admired\nher. And I think your comments about Coach Geyer are really insightful. Because\nother athletes, women athletes commented at different times that some ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nof their coaches were learning with them. They used that expression. And I\nthought that was interesting. I don't think I would ever as a younger athlete\nhave ever thought of the coach learning along with me. They were the authority\nand whatever they told me to do, that must have been right. But I think that is\nto me a really healthy thing, that you can be in an athletic situation where you\nhave an awareness of that, and you move with it. But it's just something--I\ndon't know, would it have crossed you--I guess maybe Betsy had so many part-time\ncoaches that she probably had more insight into their level of abilities, right?\n\nPASLEY: So, not to drag this conversation out, because I want to respect your\ntime--we have 18 more minutes--but to Doug's point, one year I ran track. We\nstarted--it was a very first track team, in 1975. In one year we had three\ndifferent coaches. Because one had a heart attack, one was an assistant coach on\nthe Trinity football team, and another one I think was like a high school coach.\nAnd they were all guys. (laughs). And so they'd go to coach wherever they were\nin high school and then they'd come over and hand us a practice sheet and tell\nus what to run. But it was crazy. And I think the softball coach after I left\nwas a mathematics professor maybe? Or--yes. I sound like an old person, but be\ngrateful you had full-time coaches at least.\n\nBENSON: And I don't begrudge Coach Geyer at all. I think the whole program was\ngrowing at that point. And we were all just in it together and growing together,\nand that's just the stage we were all at, at that point.\n\nPASLEY: And I think when she came to campus--I don't want to say a last-minute\nhire, because that doesn't sound right, but it sounds like there was a a tough\ntransition period. So she may have had to adjust to that as well.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And she was coaching some other sports too, for a while.\n\nPASLEY: I think so. Yeah.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: She was coaching softball or something like that along with it.\n\nPASLEY: What else about sports, Halie? Obviously you're in this very outdoorsy\nfield now, but when you look back, what are the things that you feel like you\nlearned from Trinity, from balancing sports and academics, from the competition\nand the coaching? Are there some things you look back now and say, \"Well, if I\nhadn't of done this, I wouldn't have known this\"?\n\nBENSON: Well, looking back on my sports life, I guess even from the beginning,\nit has opened so many doors for me and given me so many opportunities to grow as\na person overall. I mean shoot, when I was in high school, I went to a\nbasketball volleyball camp and made the traveling, the tour team. We went to\nGermany and Switzerland and played volleyball over there, traveled around. And I\nwas 16 at the time. Then I come back and I continue to play in high school and\nthen I graduate and go to Trinity and I play there. And I did track. That one\nyear I did track, the coach was also an assistant football coach. (laughs) He\nkind of got (INAUDIBLE) into coaching track that year. We were friends so he\ntalked me into doing track. And I was glad I did because then he opened the\ndoor--Ginny Keller (SP) and Kathy Viser (SP) and I, all three, got to do a\nlittle mini tryout thing for the Olympic Festival, the team handball team, when\nwe went on a track meet. He knew the coach, the national coach, so we went and\ndid this little tryout. And we all made the team and so we went--the three of us\ngot to go participate in the U.S (United States) Olympic Festival in Colorado in\nteam handball. And Ginny's (SP) team won silver and my team won bronze. So the\nopportunities that sports have given me to just see the world and see the\ndifferent levels of competition, it's invaluable to me. It has given me a work\nethic, self-discipline. You have to be self-motivating. I think sports in\ngeneral, especially ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at a young age, you learn that work ethic, then\nit carries over into all that you do. How much effort are you going to put into\nit? What do you want to see out of it? Whatever job you do--what I try to teach\nmy kids now is, \"Your name goes on that job. So when you're done, are you proud\nof the job you did? Somebody going to walk by; are they going to be impressed or\nare they going to be completely disgusted with what you did?\" So it teaches life\nlessons and life skills that just carry over in all that you do.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: The question I have at this point is, as a faculty advisor, I\nalways found that the biggest problem that students had was time management. And\nI had students that had all beaucoup de time, and they couldn't seem to manage\nto get anything done. But I felt like athletes and maybe people in drama, in\nsome of these other fields that required, put a whole lot of demands on them,\nthat they did manage. And that skill is a lifetime skill. Would you say that\nthat fits you as well? That that was one of the skills that you acquired about\nlearning how to manage your time and get everything done, get your academics\ndone and get everything else done?\n\nBENSON: Oh, absolutely. You had to. You had so much to do. Yeah, you had to get\nto practice. In volleyball, we came two weeks before school started and we had\ntwo-a-days. We practiced mornings on the sand course outside before it got too\nhot, and the afternoon practices were in the gym. And then school started so you\nhad all your classes that you had to manage and all the homework and the\nassignments, tests and exams. And yeah, if you didn't figure out how to study\nfor 'em and work that around going to practice and your games and the classes\nthat you missed--again, I'm seeing--my oldest is--well, she just finished\nseventh grade and so she's in that middle school where they've got seven\ndifferent classes and they're going--she's got to keep up with several different\nteachers and assignments. Trying to teach her like, \"Yeah, you have to stay on\ntop of it.\" Just because you get in there and you don't happen to see where they\nposted something, but you know something's due, you need to follow through. You\ndon't just, \"Oh, I didn't see it.\" Well, it's still going to affect your grade,\nso you've got to--yeah, this whole, \"You are responsible for you, and you have\nto look out--\" I guess, yeah, what kind of job do you want to do to put your\nname on that and walk away and say--when somebody walks by and says, \"Oh, Halie\ndid that job,\" I want them to see a good job done. So whatever that means,\nwhether I had to manage my time to be able to put the effort into it that I\nneeded to, have the time to do that, do a complete and thorough job--all those\nthings definitely, when you throw so much onto your plate, you definitely have\nto figure out, you have to prioritize too. What needs done first? Okay, get\nthat, scratch it off of the list. Next, boom, next. Yeah, it's definitely a\nlesson that you do learn as an athlete if you continue to be an athlete and in school.\n\nPASLEY: I want to back up one second; then I want to ask about your kids and see\nif they're also budding athletes. But the assistant football coach that you just\ntold that story about with the Olympic Festival, do you remember his name?\n\nBENSON: Scott Williams.\n\nPASLEY: What was it?\n\nBENSON: Scott Williams.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, Scott Williams. That's pretty awesome to be able to do that. Wow.\n\nBENSON: Amazing. Absolutely amazing. One of my favorite memories of all time in\nmy sports career. Like I said, sports have just given me so many amazing\nopportunities. I'm so grateful to have been able to do it.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. So, you have a seventh grader. Other kids too?\n\nBENSON: Yeah. My youngest just finished fifth grade. They continue to tell me\nthat, \"We're sixth grade and eighth grade, mom. We're no longer (INAUDIBLE)\nseven.\" (laughs) Doesn't matter that it ended. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: I'm always trying to figure out at what point of your life do you keep\nwanting to be that year older? And then if you're like me and Doug, it's like,\n\"No.\" (laughs). Because Doug has a big birthday coming up in--August?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: August. Yeah. I'm going to be 39.\n\nBENSON: Thirty-nine! Okay!\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, it's up to 39, yeah.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nPASLEY: I thought you're going to be 41. But anyway, it's--or twice that.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I'm going to be 88, actually.\n\nPASLEY: He is. And he was still running until about a year ago, so I'm pretty\njealous, because I had to quit running about ten years ago because of my knees,\nso that was sad. Are either of your kids into sports?\n\nBENSON: Yes. They both started as soon as they could. Up here in Alaska they\nactually have team sports starting in fourth grade where the elementaries\nactually all have a team. And we travel to the different schools in the district\nand they'll come to ours and whatnot. But yep, they're doing everything they\ncan: cross country, volleyball, basketball, track and field. They were\ninterested in jiu-jitsu for a little while. Gymnastics, trampoline. We were\ngonna do baseball this summer. COVID came around so--\n\nPASLEY: Are they both girls?\n\nBENSON: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: Cool! Was your husband also a big sports nut?\n\nBENSON: Yes. He was a really good wrestler in high school, but he also did\nfootball, soccer, I think baseball.\n\nPASLEY: That helps, when you have that to share, I think. Anything else that I'm\nmissing, Doug? I always want to ask an open-ended question, but--oh, let me ask\nreal quick while Doug's thinking. So, the Bell Center I think was built about\nthe time right before you got there.\n\nBENSON: Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: Pretty good facility?\n\nBENSON: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was very impressed when I toured the campus and was\nlike, \"Wow, now this is a gymnasium.\" (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: And that's true, so it had been built when you were touring. So that\ndidn't hurt, did it?\n\nBENSON: Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: Cool. It's so interesting; even when we didn't have those facilities,\nHalie, almost to a person, when you ask people why they went to Trinity, it's if\nyou visit the campus, you just immediately fall in love with it, I think. It\nreally was an incredible campus. Still is, by the way; it's even better. I think\nthat's most of what we wanted to ask. So two things. Do you happen to have any\npictures from your playing days, by chance?\n\nBENSON: I know I do. Not with me. I do somewhere. I think they're at my mom and\ndad's house. I've got like a little stack. Those things are there. She actually\nsent me an article that was in the paper about one of the national games. I do.\nIf you need something specific, I can try to find something, but I don't have\nanything with me right now.\n\nPASLEY: Okay. Well, if your parents are like I am--my son's gonna have to pry\nthat stuff out of my hands after I'm dead, probably. One of the funny stories\nwas--Amy Waddell played with you, right?\n\nBENSON: I think I played one year with her before she graduated. Yes.\n\nPASLEY: She talked about getting her All-American award and going to the\nnationals, and she said, \"The picture is at my mom's house in Houston.\" (laughs)\nSo we're trying to get a copy of it from her, because I think that would be\nreally neat. Doug, anything else?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I was going to make one other comment about the athletics from a\nprofessor's viewpoint. And when I first came to Trinity, I could spot the\nathletes in my class. They sat in the back row. They didn't do very well in the\ncourses. These were mostly men then, because we didn't have much of women's\nintramural. But by the time you were coming, you were in school--and I had many\noutstanding women athletes in my class--that I couldn't spot the athletes. And I\nthought that was a good thing, that I couldn't spot them by the way they looked\nor where they slept in the class. (laughs) But they were responsible and if they\nhad to miss a class, they would make arrangements to do so. I thought that that\nwas one of the real benefits of going Division III and recruiting students,\nreally only students, who had the academic background to do the work at Trinity.\nAnd it's really produced a lot of wonderful graduates like yourself that we're\nso proud of. And it's always just a pleasure. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think Betsy would\nagree with this; I don't think we've ever met anybody that we ended up and said,\n\"Oh, wasn't that terrible?\" We always say, \"That's a wonderful experience\" and\nthat we enjoyed it. I've certainly enjoyed getting to meet you and listen to\nyou. I made one trip to Alaska and I wanted so much to see a moose. And the only\none I ever saw was in the store. So I bought a little doll moose. That's the\nonly one. Just never really saw one. I said, \"Well somehow they must have been\nhiding from me.\" But anyway, go back to you, Betsy.\n\nPASLEY: Okay. So, Doug, now I have to tell my quick Alaska story. I had already\nmentioned to her that I spent ten days when I was still working. My husband had\nretired so he brought my son up there, and they did a lot of kayaking and camped\nout on islands with bears and stuff. But we did get to go to Denali and on my\nson's 17th birthday we saw a grizzly bear about 50 yards away from us. Luckily\nit was across kind of a creek. And it was a big male. We saw some other hikers\ncoming the other way and their faces were white because they had seen this bear\nand turned around. And we were following a guy who looked like he knew what he\nwas doing. And so we kind of crested a hill and looked down, and there, kind of\na--I used to play golf, so it was about a pitching wedge away--was this big male\ngrizzly looking at us. But luckily we were upwind, he could smell us, and he\njust sauntered away. That was closer than I ever wanted to get. But it's really,\nreally pretty up there. Also I wanted to just let you know, Halie, I'm a little\nbehind, but we do have some consent forms that we'd like you to sign, and so\nAbra and I are working on that, and I'll get you something on email on that. But\nlet me just ask you this: is there anything that we haven't covered or anything\nthat you think would add to this conversation that we haven't asked you?\n\nBENSON: I guess just in the whole sports realm thing overall, I guess I'm just\nreally thankful that sports were available to me. I think I am the person I am\nbecause of doing sports and the things I've learned and the things that coaches\nhave taught me. And I'm very thankful for it all and I try to pass it along,\nwith my girls, and I help coach over at the elementary school. And now in the\nmiddle school this past year, I got to actually get paid to be a coach. But I so\nenjoy passing those things along to the younger kids and hoping that for however\nfar they want to take it, whether it's the end of middle school, the end of high\nschool or on into college or wherever--it's just really impacted who I am. I\nstill feel like I define myself as an athlete. And 40-something years old, I\nstill--I do. I just--that's who I am. With the girls especially, I pass that\nalong to--I want them to grow up thinking a lot of what I kind of did, as far as\njust there is no restrictions simply because you're a girl. I do remember in\nhigh school, the Air Force--we had career day and I was sitting in that Air\nForce room, and I don't even know how the conversation came up, but somehow the\nguy told me that I couldn't be a fighter jet pilot because I was a woman,\nbecause I was a girl. I was like, \"What? What do you mean? The only reason I\ncan't be a fighter pilot is because I'm a girl?\" So there for a split second, I\nwas like \"Well, I'm gonna join the Air Force and I'm gonna just--I'm gonna fight\nthat fight. I'm gonna be the first (INAUDIBLE) jet fighter pilot.\" Then I\nwisened up. I'm like, \"Yeah, I don't really want to be in the Air Force, so I'm\nnot going to fight that fight.\" But I didn't get met with that very often, for\nme growing up. And when I did, it was a shock for me. I just couldn't understand\nwhy that was the one and only qualification or disqualification of whatever.\nYou're like, \"Wait a minute, just because I'm a woman?\" It just never made sense\nto me. So I feel lucky that I didn't have to deal with that often. And I want my\ngirls to grow ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3300.0,3600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/transcript/30509/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"up feeling like they never had to deal with it. That if\nthey ever do, it is a complete and utter shock to get faced with that, and it's,\n\"Wait, what? What do you mean, just because I'm a girl? That means nothing.\" So\nyeah, I'm trying to instill in the next generation that yeah, that isn't a disqualification.\n\nPASLEY: That's perfect. Wow. That really is. I think I'm supposed to wrap this\nup. So, Halie, we're going to have Abra stop the recording, and then we can say\ngoodbye. 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My name is Betsy Gerhart Pasley… \n\nWe also have Douglas Brackenridge Professor Emeritus, Department of Religion…\n\nOur interviewee today is Halie Bricker Benson [Class of ‘97].\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=0.0,83.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/index/48403/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Purpose of Interview","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=83.0,257.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/index/48403/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Patsley: So what we’ll do really Halie, what you can bring is just any memories you have, not just events but also some feelings. 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I was very impressed when I toured the campus and was like, \"Wow, now this is a gymnasium.\" (laughs)","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3093.0,3215.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/index/48403/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spotting Trinity Athletes","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3215.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/index/48403/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: I was going to make one other comment about the athletics from a professor's viewpoint. And when I first came to Trinity, I could spot the athletes in my class. They sat in the back row. They didn't do very well in the courses. These were mostly men then, because we didn't have much of women's intramural. But by the time you were coming, you were in school--and I had many outstanding women athletes in my class--that I couldn't spot the athletes. And I thought that was a good thing, that I couldn't spot them by the way they looked or where they slept in the class. (laughs) But they were responsible and if they had to miss a class, they would make arrangements to do so.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3215.0,3424.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/index/48403/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Halie's Last Thoughts","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3424.0,3643.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091/index/48403/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY...But let me just ask you this: is there anything that we haven't covered or anything that you think would add to this conversation that we haven't asked you?\n\nBENSON: I guess just in the whole sports realm thing overall, I guess I'm just really thankful that sports were available to me. I think I am the person I am because of doing sports and the things I've learned and the things that coaches have taught me. And I'm very thankful for it all and I try to pass it along, with my girls, and I help coach over at the elementary school. \n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46038/file/119091#t=3424.0,3643.0"}]}]}]}