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We're in the Trinity library. This is\nBetsy Gerhardt Pasley, and I'm with Shirley Rushing. Today we're interviewing\n1977 graduate Alison Taylor who was an athlete in the 1970s at Trinity. Alison,\nwe're going to ask some questions, and Shirley may jump in if she can think of\nsomething, or you might want to pick up a question or two. So we're going to\nstart with kind of just getting you to Trinity. What brought you to Trinity, and\nwas athletics part of that decision?\n\nTAYLOR: No, athletics was not part of that decision (laughs). it was not even an\noption. There was no scholarships, nothing like that. I don't know. I think my\nparents probably were more (laughs) instrumental in where I went at the time. I\nwanted to go like somewhere way out of state just for fun, but that wasn't on\nthe table. And then my senior year of high school, my father was diagnosed with\ncancer, so it definitely sealed the deal to be closer to home. And he died\nmy--I'd been here one week, my freshman year, when he died. So, changed life\ndramatically, so--\n\nPASLEY: I know this really doesn't relate as much to sports, but you told me\nabout how you had to get through Trinity financially. Do you mind kind of just\nsharing that? Because I think that it's part of this whole story.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, of course my parents paid for first semester. My mother helped me\nout the second semester. And then I was on my own! So by that time I'd been\nhere. I kind of was ensconced. And so I didn't want to leave. And I worked. I\nworked a couple jobs, two jobs. I worked for Dean Armstrong, the gatekeeper\nthere in her office (laughs). Worked with that work study program or something.\nAnd then a bunch of us joined the ROTC, because it was the first year they\nallowed females in. It was awful. (laughs) I mean, it was not--I could tell\nright away that that was not going to be a career for me. Because the rules were\na little stringent. They were fun, but--and then I worked at a florist and I\nworked various places. Crystal Pistol. (laughs)\n\nPOTEET: Did the ROTC offer any kind of scholarship?\n\nTAYLOR: Probably would have, if I had stayed with it. But I remember Chris\nBoshton (SP) and me and then somebody else did it. It was really pretty funny.\nBut, you know, you were just looking at different--there weren't any options,\nreally. Like I said, there was no scholarships. Like they'd even quit football\nscholarships. Stan Davis was in the last group that--he and I went to high\nschool together. He was a year ahead of me. And they were the last football\nscholarships. So I mean, they stopped everything but tennis the year we started.\n\nPASLEY: You were saying though that you played tennis in high school?\n\nTAYLOR: Oh yeah, I played competitive tennis all my life, yeah. But I wasn't\ngood enough for the Trinity team. But I also played softball all my life. So I\nwas good enough for that.\n\nPASLEY: Before you got to Trinity, what sports had you played?\n\nTAYLOR: Tennis, softball. You mean competitively?\n\nPASLEY: Mmhmm.\n\nTAYLOR: That's pretty much it.\n\nPASLEY: So when you were at Trinity, what sports were you in and what position\ndid you play?\n\nTAYLOR: I was in obviously softball. I played first base. As you probably\nremember. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: I know. Because that was where I wanted to play.\n\nTAYLOR: I know. (laughs) I always felt bad about that.\n\nPASLEY: That's why I was on the bench. And I was left-handed, too.\n\nTAYLOR: She was fast.\n\nPASLEY: I would have been a better first--\n\nTAYLOR: (laughs) And then I played basketball, sort of. I wasn't really good.\n\nPASLEY: Did you play every year of basketball?\n\nTAYLOR: No. I think just the first year.\n\nPASLEY: Because I remember you were I think (INAUDIBLE) basketball intramural.\n\nTAYLOR: I played the intramural. That's when I broke my ankle. Yeah, that was\nfun. The intramurals saved it here. The intramural programs were great.\n\nPASLEY: That's what I was telling these guys, is I think that really gave--\n\nTAYLOR: Plus we had winning teams, if I remember correctly.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, we had really good teams.\n\nTAYLOR: Even our freshman year.\n\nPASLEY: So that's right, first base. That's why I had to play in the outfield.\nOkay. But that was okay.\n\nTAYLOR: (laugh) Betsy was fast, though.\n\nPASLEY: I was.\n\nPASLEY: Libby Johnson. What comes to mind when you think of Libby?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I knew her because I went to Camp Arrowhead, and she was a\ncounselor there. So I knew her before. But I didn't know she was the coach here\nuntil I got here. And Cynthia Hickey, I knew her at camp also. Do you remember\nCynthia? She played basketball. And it's real different now. I'm real involved\nin the Lady Vols program at University of Tennessee, and I've flown with them on\nthe plane and stuff, and I'm like--\n\nPEOPLE: (laughs)\n\nTAYLOR: But, you ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know, she coached all the sports. She was it. I\nmean, she was volleyball--and not tennis, but volleyball, basketball, and\nsoftball. So most of us already knew how to play. She was nice.\n\nPASLEY: Were you close to her at all?\n\nTAYLOR: No, not really.\n\nPASLEY: Later I'll tell you the story that Sue Bachmann told. It was pretty interesting.\n\nTAYLOR: She was close to her. Sue was. There was definitely people closer.\n\nPASLEY: How do you remember her as a coach?\n\nTAYLOR: You know, we had so little to go on. Other than tennis--I'd been coached\nin tennis in high school. Because even in high school, girls only got tennis and\nvolleyball. The boys had golf, swimming, track, basketball, baseball,\neverything. And we had--you could be on the drill team. (laughs)\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: Or volleyball or tennis,\n\nPASLEY: Now remind me--did you go to (INAUDIBLE)--\n\nTAYLOR: We didn't even have basketball. I went to Memorial.\n\nPASLEY: Houston Memorial [High School]. Yeah I was telling them Houston (Robert\nE.) Lee (High School), same thing. And in tennis, you had to really belong to\nthe country club. Because that's where practice was.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, I learned to play at Memorial Park. Oh, we practiced at school. We\nhad tennis courts at school, at Memorial. But it was built a lot later. So that\nwas a much newer school than where you went to school. But yeah, no, she was\nfine as a coach. I mean, I don't know, is she going to hear this? (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: She's passed--you know, she's gone.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, did she die?\n\nPASLEY: She's no longer with us.\n\nTAYLOR: I thought that she was alive not that long ago.\n\nPASLEY: When did she pass away?\n\nPOTEET: Oh, it has been 10, 15 years, maybe longer\n\nTAYLOR: She wasn't like 25 when we were there, but I mean, she was--she was very\nnice. And she was out there, all these sports, every day.\n\nPOTEET: She was 48 when she died.\n\nTAYLOR: Is that all? That's how old my father was. Well, then she must have died\nmore than ten years ago.\n\nPOTEET: Yes.\n\nTAYLOR: Because I thought she was probably in her 40s when we--\n\nPASLEY: I was trying to think. In the 1970s, how old would Libby Johnson have been?\n\nPOTEET: In the 1970s?\n\nPASLEY: Was she in her thirties?\n\nTAYLOR: Maybe. Because everybody seemed older. She was probably like we are,\nBetsy; she was great prematurely gray.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, yeah. That's right. Yeah.\n\nTAYLOR: No, she was very nice. And we worked hard, and she was right in there in\nthe trenches with us.\n\nPASLEY: It's something you and I have talked about in the past, and I'm hoping\nwe can spark your memory, but we were talking about Title IX and how this was at\nthe nascent part of women's sports being I guess mandatory for schools. But you\nhad mentioned some things about our uniforms and other things. What are the\nthings you remember about what life was like as a women's athlete in the 1970s?\n\nTAYLOR: It was treated sort of like intramurals. We played hard. We practiced on\nthat little--not a ball field, but out in front of Lightner and High Rise. I'm\nsure they have different names now. It was just a scruffy little grass patch.\nAnd that was where we practiced. And we played our games at Brackenridge Park.\nThere wasn't this big beautiful--I see this, and I'm just like, \"Oh my god, that\nwould have been so lovely.\" And nobody ever came to the games, but we played\nhard, and we had fun, and that kind of thing. And I think we were a good group.\nBut it was very, very--I don't remember--matter of fact, you and I discussed\nthis, because I didn't think Title IX happened until 1977. And the reason is\nbecause I didn't notice a darn thing different until you started that track team\nin 1976, 1977. Do you remember that?\n\nPASLEY: 1975, 1976, yeah.\n\nTAYLOR: But it didn't really get going until 1976-1977. Because my roommate\nLinda who was a freshman was involved. Or not a freshman, but she was a year\nbehind us. And then we were like, \"We have to have a track team.\" I mean, I\nhonest to god, until we talked months ago, didn't think it had passed until\n1977. But what I read was it had passed but it was not enacted until like 1976, 1977.\n\nPOTEET: It passed in 1972. It was enacted in 1973.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, it wasn't enacted here. (laughs) I mean, and this was not the only\nplace, I'm sure. It was very slow in coming. And I don't know what came after\nyou got the track team going after we left. I have no idea what sports were\nadded at that point. We were excited to have basketball, because in high school,\nif a high school had basketball, it was half court. And so this was not. And, we\nhad fast pitch softball which I gotta tell you some of the big universities\ndidn't have yet. But that was before us joining. That wasn't because some new\nlegislation was passed. It was very different ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in that respect.\n\nPASLEY: What do you remember about the uniforms?\n\nTAYLOR: (laughs) Well, we wore shorts and sleeveless polyester. And so whenever\nyou slid, you ended up with a big huge--\n\nPASLEY: Strawberry?\n\nTAYLOR: Big, huge. And they'd come at you with that spray can with that yellow\nstuff in it.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: And you'd go, \"No, no, really it's fine.\" And they'd lift it up and\nthey'd go pchhhhh, and that was like fire. Do you remember that?\n\nPASLEY: I do. Because we were playing on these gravel fields, almost.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah. And we didn't have like the pants. We didn't wear cleats. We just\nwore tennis shoes. And we washed our own uniforms, which was fine, but you\ndidn't do laundry as often back then, because you had to pay. (laughs) But yeah,\nI do remember that, and they were sleeveless. And we didn't wear caps. We didn't\nhave hats.\n\nPASLEY: And the jackets?\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, well, that may have been our junior or senior year, they decided\nthey were going to gift us--we didn't get letters. There was no--and they gave\nus these windbreakers, these maroon windbreakers, that said Trinity University\nMen's something (laughs). And they were like 10x. They were huge. And they were\nthe leftovers that they didn't use in the men's program. But that was just one\nyear. I don't know. And I don't know who orchestrated that.\n\nPASLEY: You just sparked a memory though that I forgot to share with these guys.\nMy senior year, we got a choice--we got a letter in track.\n\nTAYLOR: Really!\n\nPASLEY: Yes.\n\nTAYLOR: We didn't get one in softball.\n\nPASLEY: And they let us choose between like a blanket and a sweater. And now I\nwish I had gotten the blanket, but I got the sweater. I still have it. It\ndoesn't fit me anymore, but I'm not giving that puppy up.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I still have my letter blanket from high school.\n\nPASLEY: So we didn't get letters for playing--\n\nTAYLOR: I don't think so.\n\nPASLEY: And you played all four years softball.\n\nTAYLOR: All four. And started all four years. Played every game. I never missed\na game.\n\nPASLEY: You mentioned you broke your ankle at one point?\n\nTAYLOR: That was after softball. Or it was before softball, whatever it was.\nYeah, and that was pretty tough on this campus, let me tell you, because I was\nnon weight-bearing for two months up and down those steps.\n\nPASLEY: How did you break it?\n\nTAYLOR: Intramural basketball.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, okay. I'd forgotten this. I was telling them I think I've forgotten\nmore than I remember.\n\nTAYLOR: It was fun. The intramural programs were great, I gotta say.\n\nPASLEY: And I think our experience is mainly softball, so I don't know if\nthere's any other memories, Alison, that you have, about the facilities.\nObviously our practice field left something to be desired. What do you remember\nabout the facilities? The trainers?\n\nTAYLOR: We had one person who like would wrap your ankle or spray that yellow\nstuff on you. And she like brought the bats. You had your own gloves, of course.\nAnd they brought a bag of bats and balls. She was called the trainer. I can\npicture her, but I can't--\n\nPASLEY: Was that Barbara Jones (SP)? Short, dark hair?\n\nTAYLOR: Kind of bangs?\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, Barbara (SP).\n\nTAYLOR: Pageboy kind of haircut?\n\nPASLEY: Mmhmm, mmhmm. Yeah, she and Jill were really close.\n\nTAYLOR: She was nice. But no, there was no weight training. There was no\nsprints. There was no--we practiced. Now, we practiced a lot on that little\nfield, that little grass patch. And coach would hit--you know, we practiced\nplays and all that, but no, there was no--\n\nPASLEY: So they brought bats. Did we have our own shoes?\n\nTAYLOR: Mmhmm. Oh, we had our own everything except the bats, and the balls.\n\nPASLEY: Our own shoes and gloves. Yeah, okay.\n\nTAYLOR: Because we just wore tennis shoes. We didn't wear--because metal cleats\nI don't think were even allowed. And I don't remember rubber cleats sort of\nbeing there yet. I wore them later when I played after college. But no, that was\nall. And I mean, everybody has their own glove.\n\nPASLEY: That's true. That's just your glove, yeah.\n\nTAYLOR: And I think you could bring your own bat, as long as it was proper--\n\nPASLEY: Regulation.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, but I don't think I--I don't remember ever bringing one.\n\nPASLEY: What do you remember about the level of competition that we went up against?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, mostly it was small colleges like Trinity, but then we did play\nSouthwest Texas State that one time. One time, in those four years. And we went\nto Stephen F. Austin in Nacogdoches. And we went in a bus. We were so excited we\ngot a bus that had a potty.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: Because normally you went on a school bus to the games. And we played\nlike Incarnate Word, and we played--I do remember playing Stephen ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"F.\nAustin. And we played somebody in Houston or thereabouts. Maybe that was\nbasketball. That might have been basketball.\n\nPASLEY: St. Mary's, we played them quite a bit.\n\nTAYLOR: We played St. Mary's.\n\nPASLEY: One thing that came up in our last conversation with Lynn was that Libby\nJohnson had worked at St. Mary's before she came to Trinity.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh really? I didn't know that. I didn't realize that, I don't think.\n\nPASLEY: So that kind of explained part of the rivalry that we were all feeling\nbut not sure why.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: Well, that's perfect. Like I said, I knew her from camp. I mean, camp\nlike when I was in junior high. And back then, we called them by their first\nname. So when I came to campus, it was like I had to re-train myself.\n\nPASLEY: That's funny. What do you remember about the traveling?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, the school bus. We would go on a school bus if it wasn't real far.\nLike if you could get there. And then I remember we had this really great bus\ndriver that we used to always want to have when we went like on the longer trips\nand we got to stay like in a motel, and that kind of stuff. When we still went\nto Stephen F. Austin, we stayed overnight. But I don't remember much else about\nit. Well, and when we played at Brackenridge, you got yourself there. And I\ndidn't have a car.\n\nPASLEY: I didn't either. Yeah.\n\nTAYLOR: So we'd bum a ride with somebody who had a car.\n\nPASLEY: Or road bikes maybe?\n\nTAYLOR: I don't remember taking a bike. But we would go over to Brackenridge\nPark, and meet up--you know, you're supposed to be there at whatever time, and\nthat was it. But we didn't know any different then. We were realizing that it\nseemed very unfair that there was all these sports. But high school was like\nthat, too. I mean come on, a golf team, but you can't even do a women's golf? Or\nswimming? They had all that. And here, I don't think the men had as much as we\ndid in high school. I don't remember. I remember a golf team but I don't\nremember like swimming.\n\nPASLEY: It was interesting--so when we talked to Rookie (SP) and Sue a couple\nweeks ago--so Sue came out of Connecticut at a very, very active women's sports\nhigh school program, as did Rookie (SP) out of El Paso. So I think the smaller\ntowns--now, El Paso is not a small town, but smaller than Houston or Dallas\nprobably--they tended to have more women's sports. Would that be correct?\n\nPOTEET: Correct, correct.\n\nTAYLOR: Isn't that interesting?\n\nPOTEET: They had basketball and volleyball in the small rural areas. And then in\nthe east, they had it along with lacrosse and hockey.\n\nTAYLOR: Wow.\n\nPASLEY: Isn't that something?\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: So we, almost by being in a big city, we really didn't have as much--\n\nTAYLOR: And Houston you'd think is a--and a lot of people weren't from there.\nThey were from the northeast because they came in with the oil business. Maybe\nthat's why we had tennis. But no, we didn't even have basketball in high school.\n\nPASLEY: We didn't either. You mentioned that you look back now. So what are the\nepiphanies as you look back as a grown-up, back on your college days in women's sports?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, it didn't get you any recognition or notoriety. You did it because\nyou just loved to play and that was it. Now I know that people love to play who\nplay it nowadays, too. But there was no--you didn't make the--I mean, every now\nand then there might be something in the Trinity paper, but it wasn't like it\nmade the San Antonio paper. We did it just because we wanted to play. I think\nthat's the main thing for us back then. And now I look back at it and I'm like,\n\"Dang, if I could have been born just a little later, maybe I'd have had a\nscholarship.\" That kind of thing would have been huge. And I could have probably\ntransferred and had a scholarship. Chose not to. That was my choice.\n\nPASLEY: Did you look into that?\n\nTAYLOR: No, I didn't at that point. My life had changed so much, I don't know\nthat I could stand one more change. Because I was pretty tight with my dad, and\nmy mother went a little--so it was tough. So I don't think so. I don't know.\n\nPASLEY: Do you ever feel like you were cheated?\n\nTAYLOR: Cheated by what?\n\nPOTEET: The system?\n\nTAYLOR: It was what the system was. I mean, there wasn't a--\n\nPASLEY: We didn't know better.\n\nTAYLOR: I felt cheated about something later on. Had nothing to do with sports.\nBut we don't need to go into that. But no, seriously, no, at the time I didn't,\nno. And I don't, now. But I'm glad to see that women have--I mean, I go to Lady\nVols games and we'll fill this 25,000 people in a stadium and it'll be on\nnational ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TV. And I just go--I mean, I still find myself awed by that.\nAwed by that.\n\nPASLEY: So the last time we were in Knoxville--I don't know if y'all know--\n\nTAYLOR: Did you tell them the story?\n\nPASLEY: No, not really. So Alison and I reconnected a few years ago. And I\ndidn't even know you were in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'd never really been there.\nAnd not long and--but her partner would come down here often and so Alison would\ncome back to San Antonio and so the last few years we've reconnected. And then\nmy son is graduating law school and finds out that he and his fiancée are\ngetting a job in Knoxville. So I called Alison and I said, \"Would you mind\nlike--?\" And I think they were looking for a place to stay?\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, you said, \"Can they stay with you while they look?\"\n\nPASLEY: While they're looking for a place to live.\n\nTAYLOR: Sure. Now, I had never met him. I knew Dave, of course, and Betsy.\n\nPASLEY: Right. And so Alison starts to text me and say, \"Well, do you know what\nthey're looking for or where they're looking?\"\n\nTAYLOR: What their price range.\n\nPASLEY: I said near downtown. And you want to finish the story?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I live in a renovated junior high school, so it's on the historic\nregister. It's very cool. And I don't know, we bought in there maybe five years\nago maybe or so. Well, I was toying with buying another condo in there for\ninvestment, because there's a lot happening. It's on just the east side of\ndowntown. And unfortunately there is some gentrification happening, but you\nknow, if you don't keep your place up, I guess you get shoved out, which is good\nand bad. But anyway, it's a very--it's a perfect location, especially for\nanybody who's going to work downtown. You can ride your bike. It's a mile. So I\nwas toying with buying this other condo. So I was like, \"What do you think their\nprice range is?\" (laughs) So then I told you, I think. So then they wanted to\ncome see it. And she's from Lexington which is just two hours away. So they\ndrove in and they saw it, and they said, \"Yeah, we like it.\" So I bought it\n(laughs) and they're living there. And they're renting for two years, which is great.\n\nPOTEET: Oh, fantastic.\n\nPASLEY: And bless Alison's heart. You could have rented it for more.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh well, everybody deserves a--\n\nPASLEY: And so these two kids out on their own for the first time, just got married.\n\nTAYLOR: And they're perfect tenants, I'm going to tell you. Because I really\ndon't want to be in the rental business. But I bought it as an investment to\nsell later down the road.\n\nPASLEY: So anyway, what a small world.\n\nTAYLOR: Isn't that funny, how that worked out?\n\nPASLEY: So we've all reconnected.\n\nTAYLOR: So that's great too, because if they come to visit, then we get to hang out.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. So I've gotten to get to know--well then, what I was gonna say was\nthe last time we were in Knoxville, we went to the Women's College Basketball\nHall of Fame (SP) in Knoxville.\n\nTAYLOR: It's based in Knoxville.\n\nPASLEY: And like you were saying, it's just so hard to believe compared to what\nour experience was 40 years ago how far it's come, and that they have a hall of\nfame, and these well-known coaches and stuff. But anyway, we're not here to talk\nabout that. We're here to talk about you.\n\nTAYLOR: But that was funny how that worked out.\n\nPASLEY: Catch us up on what you've been doing since you graduated from Trinity.\n\nTAYLOR: Wow. Well, I lived here in San Antonio right after I graduated and\nworked at the Tower of the Americas restaurant. And I was making so much money,\nbut I just couldn't quit! And course my degree wasn't going to get me real far.\n\nPASLEY: What was your degree?\n\nTAYLOR: Sociology. That's why O.Z. [White] and David and all those guys--\n\nPASLEY: David Oliver and O.Z. White.\n\nTAYLOR: I mean, I pitched washers with all them. We were the International\nWasher Congress. Cecil Casebier (SP) and John Abbott (SP). We had our meetings\nat Bombay [Bicycle Club] every Friday.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: But anyway. So I did that for like a year and a half. Really. And I\nlived right over there on Pershing in this little apartment that now--oh god, I\nwish I would have ever had money to buy--it wasn't anything fancy. I paid 80\nbucks a month. Ad it was furnished. But anyway. And I was bringing home $400 a\nweek in tips. Cash!\n\nPASLEY: I was making 139 as a sports writer. I should have done what you did.\n\nTAYLOR: Exactly. You know, 300 to four, in cash. I mean, they paid you like nine\ncents an hour. So I mean, that was a lot of money. It's still a lot of money,\nbut you know what I mean; it was really a lot of money. So I did that and then\ndecided--so I left. I moved to Houston and I was the program director with the\nYWCA, which I did for a couple of years. And then I got a wild hare and I moved\nto--you know Meredith Wheeler (SP)? You know Houston's--Meredith and I are very\ngood friends and we go way back. She's a character. And she was living in Miami,\nso I decided to go visit her. And then we decided to drive up to Sanibel. And I\nhad--my parents had a friend there that I'd known since I was little, lived\nthere. Called ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"her up and she put us up in a condo on the beach and I\ndecided this would be a great place to live (laugh). So I got a job actually\nwith their real estate company and moved to Sanibel island. I lived there for, I\ndon't know, two and a half years, maybe? And then I also again sort of had this\nfeeling that maybe I better move on, otherwise it's way too easy to just have a\ngood work (SP), you have a good time. So I went to grad school in Gainesville.\nAnd one thing I learned from my father's death--and you know, what I wanted to\ndo with my life--I knew what I wanted to do. It's just that I was ahead of the\nspectrum, of where the society was. And I wanted to work with cancer patients\nand their caregivers. Well, I was told over and over again, \"You have to be a\nchaplain or a nurse.\" I said, \"I don't want to be a chaplain or a nurse, but\nthis is what I want to do.\" So I ended up finally--some time had passed, and I\nwound up in grad school, and I had a professor there who was my head professor\nwho was internationally known in thanatology. And so I was able to design my\nprogram and graduated with a master's in counseling. But I was still a little\nahead. So I had to end up doing--so I moved to Tennessee and I ended up doing\nsocial work at the University of Tennessee hospital, and started working my way,\nand then went to home health. And I designed and implemented home health\nprograms for cancer patients and their caregivers. That wasn't just terminal\npatients. I had started a hospice in Knoxville which is still going. I started\nit in 1990.\n\nPASLEY: Where was that?\n\nTAYLOR: In Knoxville. And that was right not too long after the Medicare\ncertification. So that one's still going. But I didn't want to work with only\nones that were dying. I wanted to do it all. So I did that for a long--I was in\nhealthcare for like 23 years. And you know, healthcare changed and just became\nless about the patient, more about the money. So I retained some goals that--it\nwas important to me to do that because of my dad, because of his cancer. And we\nwere a mess after he died, and I didn't want other people to go through that. So\nwe touched a few, I hope. And then I started my own business as a personal chef\nand caterer. (laughs) And I was the morning chef on the ABC affiliate. So that\nwas fun. But my god, all you do is work weekends and holidays. I tell you,\nyou're on your feet! And then I'd done my career and then I came into the giving\nback mode and I was a director of the YMCA, the downtown branch, and then I was\nthe director of the Meals on Wheels program in in Knoxville. And then I retired.\n\nPASLEY: And now you travel.\n\nTAYLOR: Now I travel. When I can. Yeah.\n\nPASLEY: So I'm going to loop this back around, Alison.\n\nTAYLOR: That was way more information than you needed.\n\nPOTEET: No, that's very interesting.\n\nPASLEY: To me, this is part of the story, is where are you today.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, that Meals on Wheels program was very, very important. That\ntouched everything. That touches--I did a lot of public speaking--and I did with\nthe cancer program, too--but people just don't get it, that the meal is so\nimportant, but that daily check-in. Because if you're my volunteer and you go\nand you don't get an answer, call the office, we call, still no answer, they go\non the list. And I had a staff person that spent all afternoon either finding\nthat person or making sure that somebody was going to go check on them. If not,\nI called the police. And we found people on the floor, sometimes not alive, but\nsaved some by finding them. And people just need to--they can't let this program\nget these cuts that they're proposing. It's just unbelievable to me. Now,\nKnoxville's 500,000 people and a bunch of students, and we had 900-and-something\npeople daily, including Christmas Day and Thanksgiving Day, we delivered a hot meal.\n\nPOTEET: Receiving or delivering?\n\nTAYLOR: Receiving. Had even more than that, as far as delivering, because some\npeople did it once a month and some people did it daily. If you ever want a\nworthwhile program to volunteer, that's a good one.\n\nPASLEY: Well, and Dave has a route, now.\n\nTAYLOR: Does he?\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, twice a week now.\n\nTAYLOR: Good for Dave.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. And that's one thing I'm learning about that too. Another kind of\ninteresting connection is David Oliver was one of our friends and one of your\nmentors. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And he was at University Presbyterian where I go to a church\nnow. And he started the program--\n\nTAYLOR: Ramparts (SP). I was the director of it.\n\nPASLEY: And you were director.\n\nTAYLOR: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: I need to get back with you on that history. So we won't get too far\naway here. And then that's what morphed into Meals on Wheels, I think, here, or--\n\nTAYLOR: I don't know. I was gone if that happened.\n\nPASLEY: I think that was the seed.\n\nTAYLOR: It was through the church.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. So anyway, small world. So to loop it back--\n\nTAYLOR: I developed some biceps on that job. There was a van and the ramp you\nhad to physically lower, and then the machine would take it down to roll the\nwheelchair. And then it would come up just to here and then you would [straining sound]--yeeeeo-poomp!\n\nPASLEY: That's right. That was a transportation program, Ramparts. Yeah and so\nyou were doing the physical part of it.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, we did the driving too.\n\nPASLEY: Then luckily you were a women's athlete so you were in shape.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: Probably in better shape, after that.\n\nPASLEY: That's irrelevant, so I don't want to waste too much more time.\n\nTAYLOR: [INAUDIBLE] the beer. (laugh)\n\nPASLEY: But as you look back on your career and also your career as an athlete\nat Trinity, have you seen how being in athletics has helped you on these other\nendeavors that you've taken?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I think it teaches you a lot about working together. Obviously\nthat's sort of basic. I don't know if it gives you any more empathy, but it\ncertainly gives you more willingness--I think it helps you communicate. It helps\nyou try to maybe be with people that you get along with and some that you don't,\nbut you try to be a team, and that was the most important thing. A lot of what\nI've done has all been teamwork. The cancer program that I developed was a team,\nand those people, they had this, this, and this. Every single team had a\nmaster's level social worker who was trained in dealing with this kind of\nsituation. And whether their insurance paid or not, the caregivers and the\npatients got counseling if they needed it. And how to develop a team, I think\nthat we had to do more of that back then. Because now there's five coaches and a\nwhole team of chief graduate assistants, whereas we had Coach Johnson and\nBarbara, who supported us, but we had to support each other. We didn't have a\nlot--and we had no outside support, really. And I don't mean that as a finger\npointing at the university or anybody else. It's just we had to learn to rely on\neach other, I think. And that probably was a good thing. We didn't have anybody\nelse to rely on.\n\nPASLEY: It was interesting; it's very similar to what Rookie (SP) and Sue were\nsaying last time we talked, was you had a common goal and you knew you had to\nreach it with these people around you, whether you liked--whether you hung out\nwith them socially or not. When you were on that team, then you were going to\nwork together.\n\nTAYLOR: Right. And Sue and I lived on the same floor our second semester\nfreshman year. Fifth floor, High Rise. But Lynn (SP), did she live on campus?\n\nPASLEY: Rookie (SP)?\n\nTAYLOR: I don't think she did. Lynn (SP)?\n\nPASLEY: Did Rookie (SP) live on campus?\n\nPOTEET: I think so.\n\nTAYLOR: Did she? I couldn't remember.\n\nPOTEET: She roomed with Sue, for two years.\n\nPASLEY: That's right.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, that's probably when I moved across campus and lived in Witt or\nwhatever it was. No, what was that other one? Not Witt or Winn. What was the\nother one? An outdoor corridor.\n\nPASLEY: Calvert and Miller?\n\nTAYLOR: Miller.\n\nPASLEY: That's where I ended up. Miller was great.\n\nTAYLOR: It was great.\n\nPASLEY: Because we could go out and throw the softball. There was this nice\nlittle lawn. And I know this is Alison Taylor's interview, but anyway, it's just\na fun memory. So we had this nice lawn there between Calvert and Miller, I\nthink, and you could just get the softball and go out there with a glove between\nclasses and--\n\nTAYLOR: We'd just do water balloon fights with the guys on there. They were on\nthe first two floors and we had the third floor. (laughs) That was co-ed back\nthen. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Oh, that's right.\n\nTAYLOR: Hell, our freshman year, they weren't even allowed except on Friday and\nSaturday. And you'd forget, and you'd come down the hall, and there's some guy\ncoming out of the elevator. \"Oh, that's right, it's Friday.\" It was much easier\nwhen it was all the time.\n\nPASLEY: I'm wondering about what happened the first week of school, when you\nfirst come to Trinity, and your dad dies. Did sports kind of help fill in some\ngaps or help you through it, you think, in any way?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, we didn't--I guess basketball started in the fall.\n\nPASLEY: I'm not trying to force an idea. I just am curious.\n\nTAYLOR: No, I'm trying to remember.\n\nPASLEY: Softball wouldn't have been until spring.\n\nTAYLOR: Softball wasn't until later. And I wasn't really that great at\nbasketball, and so I sat on the bench. And I wasn't used to sitting on the bench\n(laughs) in sports! You know what I mean? Because I had played sports I was good\nat. But I always wanted to play basketball. So I never really got to play. Betsy\nAscani and Sue ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bachmann (SP) and Cynthia Hickey, they all played a\nlot. I don't know. I mean the intramural sports did, I'm sure, because we\nstarted that immediately. And like I say, we had winning teams. And then we had\nall initials for our team. Do you remember that? Were you on our team?\n\nPASLEY: Some of them. I mean, if you were playing a sport, you couldn't play intramurals.\n\nTAYLOR: Our freshman year and we called--I forget what they meant now, but there\nwas like these initials and we wouldn't tell anybody what they meant. It just\nkilled everybody. They wanted to know. They would try to find out. It was the\nsilliest thing!\n\nPASLEY: Do you remember what they were?\n\nTAYLOR: No, but I'm sure we can find it in the--I probably could remember if I\nsaw the letters. Sue was on it. She might remember.\n\nPASLEY: Sue Bachmann?\n\nTAYLOR: Mmhmm. Ask her. And then Susan McRae (SP) was our RA. And see, her\nfather had died when she was young, so that was very important to me that I\nmoved to her floor. Because people wouldn't talk to me about their fa--they'd\nsay, \"Oh, my dad--\" And I'd finally go, \"Look, y'all, I mean--the only way\nyou're going to know about mine is if I can talk about it.\"\n\nPASLEY: And that's what you needed, probably.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, people would say, \"Oh, I know how you feel,\" and I'd go \"Your dad\ndied?\" And they'd go, \"Well, no.\" And I'm like, \"Well, what do you mean?\" Susan did.\n\nPASLEY: You were 18 or 19 years old?\n\nTAYLOR: I was 18.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, that'd be hard.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, he only lived four months after he was diagnosed, so it was pretty quick.\n\nPASLEY: Wow.\n\nTAYLOR: But yeah, no, I don't know, Betsy, how to answer that question. No, but\nthe intramurals probably did. So sports did. Even if it wasn't the--\n\nPASLEY: And intramurals came up I know in my interview. It came up with Sue and\nRookie (SP).\n\nTAYLOR: Is it still real big?\n\nPASLEY: I think so, yeah.\n\nTAYLOR: And we got to play sports that guys played. I mean, not everything, but\nwe played water volleyball; I mean, water basketball. I loved that. We played\nfootball, tag football.\n\nPASLEY: Oh yeah, tag was a blast.\n\nTAYLOR: And the guys just played tag in the intramurals.\n\nPASLEY: Flag football. We had coed flag football.\n\nTAYLOR: Or flag football, I meant. But we even had all female ones, I think.\n\nPASLEY: The one thought I had was--and again I'm not trying to put words in your\nmouth, Alison, but I'm just seeing these themes. And those of us who wanted to\nbe athletic, who wanted to be outside, who wanted to compete, couldn't in high\nschool and then just all of a sudden, if it wasn't intercollegiate, intramurals\ngave you a chance. You were always in some kind of an intramural competition.\nAnd it was a great way for those of us who didn't have that in high school to\nreally take advantage. Because now that I think about it--and even today I'm\nguessing a lot of people who play varsity sports probably don't have time to do\nintramurals, and we did.\n\nTAYLOR: Right. And you were even allowed to play the sport you played.\n\nPASLEY: We were.\n\nTAYLOR: Like I could play the softball intramural, and you could too. And we\ncould play basketball.\n\nPASLEY: I know coed--I knew that we could do that, so--okay, I wasn't\nremembering that.\n\nTAYLOR: I could be wrong; maybe you'd better check. Maybe it was coed.\n\nPASLEY: Because we recruited Jill Herenberg (SP) [INAUDIBLE].\n\nTAYLOR: But I remember playing basketball [INAUDIBLE].\n\nPASLEY: [INAUDIBLE] really good.\n\nTAYLOR: Tennis or something. Tennis wasn't--don't think tennis could play\nintramural, but--because they were scholarship.\n\nPASLEY: I think that was the only one, yeah. Was there anybody when you were\nplaying sports that really either mentored you or influenced you or inspired you?\n\nTAYLOR: Here?\n\nPASLEY: Mmhmm.\n\nTAYLOR: Hmm. I can't think of an individual. I remember people on the team that\nI really liked a lot, and they were talented. But I can't think of one person that--\n\nPASLEY: Just thought I'd ask.\n\nTAYLOR: My dad. Because I played all those sports with him.\n\nPASLEY: Really!\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah. And I mean, I played softball since I was in elementary school.\nAnd tennis.\n\nPASLEY: So he's the one that got you into sports?\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah. My brother wasn't interested in sports. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: That's convenient. That he had a tomboy as a daughter.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, he and I--so that's probably the best--but that's not here. That\nwas before here. I mean, he never obviously knew--\n\nPASLEY: But that planted the seed.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh yeah, I mean, I was very interested in playing sports.\n\nPASLEY: In some ways, Trinity kind of--I don't wanna say rescued you, but was\nable to take place of your dad's interest in sports, maybe.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I mean, I think going to college would have done that. But yeah, I\nmean, we got to play. And I got to play what I wanted. I mean, I would have\nliked to have played competitive tennis, but there was no way. There was no way.\n\nPASLEY: The bar was way too high.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, yeah. They were number one in the nation then, women's tennis.\n\nPASLEY: So Shirley's working on the tennis side, and we're doing the--\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, are you? Well, you know, JoAnne Russell and I met in North Carolina\nat a little golf resort thing that we went to a vacation and her family\nfrom ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Florida was there on vacation. And we all would pool our money\nand rent golf carts and like go driving all around where they couldn't see us.\nAnd I had pictures. And I'll be darned, but she was a year ahead of us; when I\nstarted at Trinity, and there she was. And we were like 14, 15. And I had these\npictures I brought--I got them when I went home, and I came and showed them to\nher. She remembered too. Isn't that funny?\n\nPASLEY: Wow. So you knew Lib Johnson before you got to Trinity. You knew JoAnne\nRussell before you got to Trinity.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, and I knew Cynthia.\n\nPASLEY: Cynthia Hickey.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah. And then when I--you know, you just get your dorm assignments, and\nI was in one of those three-person rooms.\n\nPASLEY: That's why they call it Trinity, by the way.\n\nTAYLOR: (laughs) That's right. I don't know which one was which, there. But one\nwoman, Joan--her name was Joan--Blackburn (SP) or something--I went to camp with\nher, too. And she was one of my roommates. Isn't that funny?\n\nPASLEY: That's crazy. I didn't know anybody when I got here, hardly.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, high school, I went--there was a number of folks who came from\nMemorial, too.\n\nPASLEY: Sure. Well, Houston Lee, I guess we sent a few people, but yeah, just a\nhandful, when I think about that now.\n\nTAYLOR: Well, Memorial was becoming more affluent at that point. Obviously I\nwasn't, but they--so I'm sure that there was people--and they recruited pretty\nheavily there in Houston, too.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, I remember they had some great recruiting events. We may have gone\nto one of the same events. I might have even run into you.\n\nTAYLOR: We probably did. And then my friend and I came here to visit and to\ninterview. Interviewed with John Burleson. And of course I already knew\n[INAUDIBLE] because I'd met her from the--and we stayed in Lightner. And we were\nin high school. Like, \"Oh, this is so--!\"\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nPASLEY: Didn't have to share the bathroom. Yeah, you had your own bathroom.\n\nTAYLOR: You had your own living, had our own bathroom. Yeah, it was really--\n\nPASLEY: I hear that from a lot of people, is the first thing they noticed is the\nbathrooms. So you're not sharing one down the hall.\n\nTAYLOR: Uch, I know. My son went to University of Kentucky, and the first dorm\nhe was in, uch! It was all boys and oh, the bathroom was so nasty.\n\nPASLEY: But yeah, the rooms here are incredible.\n\nTAYLOR: And we had maid service, if I remember correctly. Do they still have that?\n\nPASLEY: Do they still have maid service?\n\nPOTEET: Oh, I'm sure they do.\n\nTAYLOR: Yes, we had that. And you could rent refrigerators.\n\nPASLEY: See this is where you're remembering stuff I'm not, but you're right.\nThat's incredible.\n\nTAYLOR: And you had balcony mates that were different than your suite mates.\nProbably still like that. I mean, we all had balconies. We had bathrooms. I\nmean, it was pretty nice. Walk-in closet. Not in every room, but--\n\nPASLEY: You lived on campus all four years?\n\nTAYLOR: Mmhmm.\n\nPASLEY: Me too. Why would you want to move off campus? I didn't have a car\neither, so it wasn't like--\n\nTAYLOR: I know I always thought it was much more fun to be on campus.\n\nPASLEY: Any other memories either about Title IX sports or--?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I don't remember a single thing about that, like I told you,\nbecause I honestly did not realize that it was supposedly--I mean, I'm sure it\nwas really hard for--I don't even know how programs got them started. But see,\nbecause I was fortunate enough to know Pat Summitt, and we would talk about\nthat. Because of course she started before--and used to drive the van that had\nthe kids, and she'd take their uniforms home and wash them. And talking about\nthe differences of how it was battling to sort of get there. And I think there's\nstill a ways to go, to be honest with you, but it's certainly better.\n\nPOTEET: It's come a long way.\n\nTAYLOR: It's unbelievable how much it's come.\n\nPASLEY: Where else could it get better?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I think there's still--there's still money. Like I know that the\nwomen's basketball team at University of Tennessee doesn't bring in the money\nthat the football program brings. But they bring so much good publicity to the\nuniversity. I mean, Pat Summitt, come on; it doesn't get any better than that.\nAnd there's no scandal NCAA. There's no thugs getting arrested for having a gun\nin their car, which is what happens with some of the--I'm sure it happens with\nsome women probably, but it didn't happen. So I think that weighing everything\nby how much money--and then I see how much money goes out. Pat was a coach for\n30-something years and she made good money, but they bring a coach into the\nmen's program who isn't even doing that well and they're making twice that. And\nthen they fire them, because they don't win, so they have to pay off that\ncontract and bring another--so to me again it's sort of like healthcare. We need\nto--these are kids. And I think that's one way we can improve. You've got to\nremember even college sports, they're still kids. And we were kids. I mean, we\nweren't adults. There was no pretending. There was no money ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on our\nbacks. There was no worrying about a commercial. You know what I mean? Like an\nad. So we probably in some ways had a--it certainly was a different experience.\nBut would I like to have had it be a little more? Yes. But we just never knew\nthat. I mean, I knew that other programs had scholarships. Like that's one thing\nwhen we beat them, you know. Those kids, those girls, some of them were on\nscholarship and stuff. Most of the state schools did.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, the other thing we were remembering with Rookie was the year we\nbeat University of Texas in basketball. I don't know if you remember that?\n\nTAYLOR: No, I don't. Did she play basketball?\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, Rookie (SP) did.\n\nTAYLOR: That's when I wasn't playing anymore, so I couldn't remember.\n\nPASLEY: That's when we had Becky Chanault (SP) and Kathy Stidham. Those two kids\nfrom Oklahoma came for a year. And so we had a really good team that year. They were\n\n[INAUDIBLE] and then they left.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, I remember Becky Chanault (SP).\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. So I remember that too. It was fun to play those competitive\nteams. But we could rarely keep up with them. So when we did, that was pretty neat.\n\nTAYLOR: We held our own. I mean, who knew? I'll never forget that, how excited\nwe were. And coach Johnson was like fit to be--just unbelievable. I mean, who\ncould believe it? And we like beat them pretty handily, too, if I remember correctly.\n\nPASLEY: That's what I'm trying to remember. What was the score?\n\nTAYLOR: I don't remember.\n\nPOTEET: I think it was right at the end of the game.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, was it? Maybe it was.\n\nPOTEET: I think so. I think so.\n\nTAYLOR: I'd have to read that article again. But Anne (SP) pitched.\n\nPASLEY: Anne Burbridge (SP)?\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah. Linda Guerrero (SP) pitched. But she was a year older, so she\nprobably had graduated by then. That was probably her senior year though.\n\nPASLEY: That's what I was trying to remember. So [reading article] \"Women\nsoftballers include two successful campaigns (SP), St. Mary's and Southwest\nTexas State.\"\n\nTAYLOR: St. Mary's, too. There you go.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. So we beat St. Mary's, 26 to four.\n\nTAYLOR: Something was eight to three. What does that say?\n\nPASLEY: Southwest Texas State. Beat them eight to three. And against a team\nwe've had little success against until then.\n\nTAYLOR: I don't even remember playing them before that maybe because we lost. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. Probably not. And Julia Roba.\n\nTAYLOR: And we were there. We were in San Marcos. We played there. It's probably\nbecause we had a bathroom on the bus, so we could go.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nPASLEY: So you had a really good game. Laura Smith (SP), Taylor, and Jill\nHerenberg (SP). And you had a triple.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah. That was the steak dinner.\n\nPASLEY: Okay.\n\nTAYLOR: I was pretty incentivized, wasn't I? I mean, I wasn't a long ball\nhitter, really.\n\nPASLEY: You got three RBI in that game. That's pretty cool.\n\nTAYLOR: That is cool.\n\nPASLEY: So those were the days.\n\nTAYLOR: Those were the days, yeah.\n\nPASLEY: Shirley, am I missing anything?\n\nTAYLOR: But you know, we knew it, and it didn't really matter that nobody else\nknew it. Now when I talk about it, and I see all how 25,000 people--and I go to\nthe Final Four, when I can, especially when I think our team's gonna be in it.\nAnd you know, you just--it's just so amazing. But then--then--I wouldn't have\nsaid then, \"Well, nobody ever comes to our games.\" I guess we didn't--people\nwould go to basketball sometimes because it was right here. But we didn't play\non campus. So that could have been a reason, too.\n\nPASLEY: And that was one of the things that Rookie was remembering, is whoever\nthe gym rats were would say, \"Oh, the girls team is playing, let's go watch them\nfor a little while.\" So that was pretty much--\n\nTAYLOR: Softball?\n\nPASLEY: No, basketball. So it was probably whoever happened to be wandering by\nat the time.\n\nTAYLOR: I would make a point of trying to go every now and then. Well, I mean,\nnobody went to the football games either.\n\nPASLEY: That's true.\n\nTAYLOR: Except the recruits from the Air Force (SP).\n\nPASLEY: No, that's true. Yeah.\n\nTAYLOR: Remember they'd get dumped off at the--?\n\nPASLEY: Mmhmm. They'd drop them off, give them something to do for the afternoon.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah and then pick them back up.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: But yeah, so we weren't really discriminated against than that, I guess,\nyou could consider.\n\nPASLEY: Am I missing anything?\n\nPOTEET: I don't think so. I think you've covered everything.\n\nTAYLOR: I talked too much, sorry.\n\nPASLEY: No, that's the way we want it. We want to get your voice in here.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, I just wish I could--I'll probably think of something later. We\nhad fun.\n\nPASLEY: So here's a an interesting question though. Do you have a recommendation\nfor any other athletes that might be of value to this project? What we're trying\nto do here is to capture the history here.\n\nTAYLOR: So you're just talking to folks like our age for this?\n\nPASLEY: Generally. Like in that maybe eight- to ten-year period.\n\nPOTEET: There's a period from 1965 to 1973 that's just void. And then after\n1973, we start picking up with a few records. And so we're just trying to fill\nin anything anybody remembers. And we're trying to remember who was here.\n\nTAYLOR: I'm glad you're doing it. I think it's great. Of course we started in 1973.\n\nPASLEY: Right. So anybody else ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we can think of that might be a good\nresource for this project.\n\nTAYLOR: Too bad Libby Johnson's not around. And Coach Potter, he might have\nsome--see, Meredith didn't come here til grad school, and then she was--in grad\nschool, she was like a ref. She made some pretty bad calls too, I think.\n\nPEOPLE: (laugh)\n\nTAYLOR: She and I still argue over that.\n\nPOTEET: I think Meredith was here part of her undergraduate. I know she was in\nFlorida for part of it.\n\nTAYLOR: She went to, yeah, Florida. She might have been here maybe one year.\n\nPOTEET: Uh-huh, I think she was here one year.\n\nTAYLOR: Because she's older than we are. She's retiring in February, actually.\nShe'll be 65.\n\nPASLEY: What does she do now?\n\nTAYLOR: She's the only one left in her family. Sad. Even her sister died.\n\nPASLEY: What is Meredith doing, that she's retiring from?\n\nTAYLOR: She's been with an insurance company for--she taught school for a little\nbit (laughs) which I would love to have been in that class. But yeah, so she's\nretiring, just so excited about it.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, so any other names of folks that you think might be a good resource.\n\nTAYLOR: I mean, you might ask her. And she would maybe, just because of her dad, too.\n\nPASLEY: What's Meredith's last name?\n\nTAYLOR: Wheeler. Her dad was Houston Wheeler, the baseball coach.\n\nPASLEY: Baseball coach for years.\n\nTAYLOR: He just died not that long ago.\n\nPASLEY: Right. He outlived two of his kids, I think.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, and his wife. She had Alzheimer's, I think. Sad. She was so\nbeautiful. I don't know if Coach [Jim] Potter might remember anything, just\nbecause he was so involved. We were all involved with him. And then what was his\nname? Gene Norris?\n\nPASLEY: Norris. He passed away.\n\nTAYLOR: Did he die?\n\nPASLEY: Within the last year or two.\n\nPOTEET: Recent.\n\nPASLEY: Couple years ago.\n\nTAYLOR: I liked him, too. He was a good guy.\n\nPASLEY: He was great, yeah. You know, they dedicated a field for Potter.\n\nTAYLOR: Yes, I saw that.\n\nPASLEY: I laugh about Potter's Field. But anyway.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, that is kind of funny. Probably the softball field. No, he was a nice--\n\nPOTEET: Intramural field.\n\nTAYLOR: Yeah, he was a good guy, too. I don't know if you could find someone\nlike Linda, because she was a year ahead of us, or year or two. Guerrero (SP).\n\nPOTEET: Is this Linda Guerrero (SP)? I'd love to find her.\n\nTAYLOR: And I don't know. She's obviously Hispanic and she lived in town. She\ndidn't live in the dorm.\n\nPASLEY: She was a townie.\n\nTAYLOR: She was a townie.\n\nPOTEET: And she taught in San Antonio.\n\nTAYLOR: Did she?\n\nPOTEET: Uh-huh. But I've not heard of her or from her.\n\nTAYLOR: Boy, if you could find her, she might have some insight, even different\nthan ours because she was Hispanic. And I don't know if you'd find Michelle\n(SP), but I think Michelle Friesenheim (SP) I think she was probably our year.\n\nPASLEY: Michelle Friesenheim (SP). Yeah, I believe she was.\n\nTAYLOR: I'm trying to think who was older on the team that might have started a\nyear or two ahead of us.\n\nPASLEY: You know, somebody I had suggested, and I could even try reaching out to\nher, but is Julie Roba. She was younger than us. She's on one of these teams.\nShe played softball with us. She was a pitcher, I believe, and an infielder, but\nalso played some other sports too.\n\nTAYLOR: Well see, Patty pitched some too.\n\nPASLEY: Patty Whitbey (SP).\n\nTAYLOR: So she played shortstop or Linda Guerrero (SP) played shortstop. I don't\nremember who played third. Michelle (SP) was in the outfield.\n\nPASLEY: Because I couldn't--I did play some first. I'm trying to think of why I\nwould have, but anyway. Maybe it was after I--that's why I had to graduate, so\nthat I could play first base.\n\nTAYLOR: Probably had to come in and run for me because I wasn't fast. I don't\nknow--I'm trying to think who else. But even JoAnne Russell or somebody like\nthat, even though she played tennis, they probably would have some--I don't\nremember if she played intramurals business--\n\nPASLEY: I'm trying to track down Herenberg (SP).\n\nTAYLOR: Betsy. Betsy Ascani. Or Clare.\n\nPASLEY: Betsy and Clare Ascani.\n\nTAYLOR: Clare played basketball and she lives in--she's back in Pittsburgh. I\nkeep up with her.\n\nPASLEY: Betsy's I think in Austin.\n\nTAYLOR: Is she? I didn't--\n\nPASLEY: I believe so.\n\nTAYLOR: Clare and I are friends like on Facebook.\n\nPASLEY: Betsy Ascani Henderson. Yeah, I think she married Bob Henderson.\n\n[PERSON]: What's Clare's last name?\n\nTAYLOR: It was Ascani. I know. I can tell you what her name is.\n\nPASLEY: A-S-C-A-N-I. So Clare was Betsy's big sister. So they were these two\nvery tall--\n\nTAYLOR: Right. An amazing singer.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, that's right. You know, today you have so many six-foot women\nplaying sports. They were like the only ones.\n\nTAYLOR: Six-seven.\n\nPASLEY: They were like five-eleven or six feet. And to us, they were Amazon.\n\nTAYLOR: Let me real quick--I can give you what her name is now. Her last name.\nAlthough maybe you could probably find her, but she's online right now. Oh, that\njust says Clare Ascani. I guess she's just going by--\n\nPASLEY: I think she still goes by her last name.\n\nTAYLOR: It's so much easier when people do that. I always did.\n\n[PERSON]: Spell that last name for me?\n\nTAYLOR: A-S-C-A-N-I. And it's Clare--C-L-A-R-E. And then her sister Betsy, but\nBetsy was a year ahead of us. But Clare was a couple years ahead of us.\n\nPASLEY: Right. And Betsy Ascani I think Henderson. She married Bob Henderson, I\nthink. And I think they're in Austin. So they were basketball and  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/transcript/30484/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nvolleyball, because of their height.\n\nTAYLOR: Cynthia Hickey, she was our age. She was volleyball and basketball. She\nwas also tall. Gosh, I'm trying to remember anybody else that might--\n\nPASLEY: I'd love to track down Barb Jones (SP), who I think is in Oklahoma, but\nI can't.\n\nTAYLOR: Oh, wow.\n\nPASLEY: I sent her and [Jill] Herenberg letters and I haven't heard back.\n\nTAYLOR: I have no idea what kind of training she had. That would be interesting\nto find out. Who taught her how to tape an ankle, you know? I don't know. It\nwasn't like that was her degree, like they do now.\n\nPASLEY: I'd love to know the story about how she came in.\n\nTAYLOR: I think she was there like practically the whole time we were.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. And were we at risk because maybe she didn't know how to tape it,\nand we didn't know better?\n\nTAYLOR: Well, I did better after she taped it, so I guess we were okay. It was\nthat daggone spray that was the worst.\n\nPASLEY: I had forgotten the spray.\n\nTAYLOR: I can't remember anybody else, Betsy, that would be--\n\nPASLEY: If somebody comes to mind, though, or you run across somebody--I don't\nknow how much longer we're looking for interviews, but--\n\nTAYLOR: Okay. I think it's great you're giving it some limelight. That's kinda neat.\n\nPASLEY: Oh yeah. Thank you.\n\n(END INTERVIEW)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=3300.0,3600.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview96833.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=0.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passley:\n\"Today is Monday December 18th. We're in the Trinity library. this is Betsy Gerhart Passley, and I'm with Shirly Rushing, and today we're interviewing 1977 graduate Allison Taylor.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=0.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reasons for choosing Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=29.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passley:\n\"What brought you to Trinity and was athletics a part of that decision?\"\nTaylor:\n\"No, athletics was not a part of that decision, it wasn't even an option, there was no scholarships or nothing like that. I think my parents were probably more instrumental in where I went at the time.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=29.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Father","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parents","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=29.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Financial situation at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=80.0,192.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passley:\n\"I know this doesn't relate as much to sports, but you told me about how you had to get through Trinity, financially. You mind sharing that?\nTaylor:\n\"Well of course my parents paid for first semester, my mother helped me out second semester, and then I was on my own... And I worked, I worked a couple of jobs.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=80.0,192.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jobs","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mother","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parents","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=80.0,192.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sports prior to Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=192.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passley:\n\"So before you got to Trinity, what sports did you play?\"\nTaylor:\nTennis, softball, um, you mean competitively? Yea, that's pretty much it.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=192.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Softball","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tennis","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=192.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sports at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=202.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passley:\n\"So when you were at Trinity, what sports were you in and what positions did you play?\"\nTaylor:\n\"I was in, obviously, softball, I played first base, as you probably remember.... and then I played basketball sort of.\"","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=202.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Basketball","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Softball","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=202.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Title IX","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934#t=448.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45871/file/118934/index/48298/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passley:\n\"We were talking about Title IX, and how this was at the nascent part of women's sports, being I guess mandatory for schools, but you had mentioned our uniforms and other things, what do you remember about what life was like as a women's athlete in the 70s?\"\nTaylor:\n\"It was treated sort of like intramural. 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