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Next, Dr. Chinn focuses on his journey through higher education which resulted in him obtaining a Ph.D. from the University of Southern California. Dr. Chinn would move on to detail his experiences as an associate professor at Bowling Green State University as well as his early experience at Trinity University in 1967. Dr. Chinn then delves into his experience as the first AAPI tenured faculty member at Trinity as well as his numerous positions on various faculty committees for the university. The interview then pivots to the work that Dr. Chinn was involved at Trinity and throughout his career. Dr. Chinn talks at length about his pivot from researching and teaching western philosophies based on ethics to more eastern philosophies based on religion as well as Asian culture. Then the interview transitions to the topic of Dr. Chinn’s contribution in the formulation of the East Asian Studies department at Trinity. The interview concludes with Dr. Chinn’s final thoughts on his career, impact and legacy at Trinity as well as other faculty roles. \u003c/p\u003e (abstract)","\u003cp\u003eDr. Ewing Chinn was born 1935 in Guangdong Province, China. His parents emigrated to San Francisco when he was five years old. Dr. Chinn grew up and graduated high school in the Bay Area. Dr. Chinn briefly attended University of California Berkeley before transferring to Macalester University where he graduated in 1958 with a degree in philosophy. Dr. Chinn went on to graduate from the University of Southern California with a Ph.D. in philosophy before pursuing a faculty position at Bowling Green State University in Ohio from 1964 to 1967. Dr. Chinn accepted a role as a professor at Trinity University in 1967 where he would spend 38 years teaching. Dr. Chinn was involved in the philosophy department, chaired many faculty committees and helped create an Asian studies program that would eventually become the EAST Program. Dr. Chinn retired from Trinity University in 2005 and as of 2024 remains in the San Antonio area.\u003c/p\u003e (Biographical Note)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2024-10-21 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Participants"]},"value":{"en":["Ewing Chinn (Narrator)","Cael Ferland (Interviewer)","Cael Ferland (Transcriber)","Cael Ferland (Indexer)","archives@trinity.edu (Metadata Contact)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English (Primary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Special Collections and Archives, Coates Library, Trinity University"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe materials in this collection may be protected by copyright law (Title 17, U.S.Code). The materials are available for personal, educational, and scholarly use. 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Dr. Chinn recounts his acceptance to UC Berkeley and reveals his early exposure to philosophy that would result in a transfer to Macalester University in Minnesota. Next, Dr. Chinn focuses on his journey through higher education which resulted in him obtaining a Ph.D. from the University of Southern California. Dr. Chinn would move on to detail his experiences as an associate professor at Bowling Green State University as well as his early experience at Trinity University in 1967. Dr. Chinn then delves into his experience as the first AAPI tenured faculty member at Trinity as well as his numerous positions on various faculty committees for the university. The interview then pivots to the work that Dr. Chinn was involved at Trinity and throughout his career. Dr. Chinn talks at length about his pivot from researching and teaching western philosophies based on ethics to more eastern philosophies based on religion as well as Asian culture. Then the interview transitions to the topic of Dr. Chinn\u0026rsquo;s contribution in the formulation of the East Asian Studies department at Trinity. The interview concludes with Dr. Chinn\u0026rsquo;s final thoughts on his career, impact and legacy at Trinity as well as other faculty roles.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eDr. Ewing Chinn was born 1935 in Guangdong Province, China. His parents emigrated to San Francisco when he was five years old. Dr. Chinn grew up and graduated high school in the Bay Area. Dr. Chinn briefly attended University of California Berkeley before transferring to Macalester University where he graduated in 1958 with a degree in philosophy. Dr. Chinn went on to graduate from the University of Southern California with a Ph.D. in philosophy before pursuing a faculty position at Bowling Green State University in Ohio from 1964 to 1967. Dr. Chinn accepted a role as a professor at Trinity University in 1967 where he would spend 38 years teaching. Dr. Chinn was involved in the philosophy department, chaired many faculty committees and helped create an Asian studies program that would eventually become the EAST Program. Dr. Chinn retired from Trinity University in 2005 and as of 2024 remains in the San Antonio area.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe materials in this collection may be protected by copyright law (Title 17, U.S.Code). The materials are available for personal, educational, and scholarly use. 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I am Cael Ferland, a student at Trinity University, and today I am interviewing Dr. E-Wing Chin. Dr. Chin was a professor of philosophy at Trinity University and was here from 1968? \n\nChinn:  Sixty-seven.\n\nFerland:  1967 to 2005. This interview today will mainly focus on Dr. Chin's life story as well as his experiences as the earliest professor of AAPI [Asian American Pacific Islander] descent at Trinity University. This interview is a collaboration between the East Asian Studies at Trinity Department and the Introduction to Oral History Class History 3467. And this interview will be part of the TU Treasure oral history collection and archived with the University Archives part of Trinity University's special collection and archived in Coates Library. \n\nSo, to start off, umm Dr. Chin, can you walk me through sort of your early life and experiences, sort of like where you were born, raised, and a bit of information on your parents?\n\nChinn:  Okay, that is a lot. Well, I was born in China, in a village near Nam Long, which is in uhm Guangzhou Province. Anyway, my parents came to the U.S. first. My father came early as a single man, and then he went back to the U.S. and China. After he married my mother, they couldn't both go back to the U.S. because of the law, the Chinese exclusion law that the U.S. had, which would not permit a man to bring his wife over to the United States. But they could bring the children, which is a strange thing. The law says you cannot bring your wife, but you can bring her back to the U.S. and China. So anyway, so my mother couldn't go back with my father, and she went back to the U.S. as the daughter of somebody else and left me behind, China. (laughs) So, I was back in China by myself with my relatives for another year before I came to the U.S. and we lived in San Francisco, where I, (coughs) where I grew up. And then I went, after I graduated from high school in San Francisco, I went to [University of California] Berkeley for college. And from then I went to Minnesota, to Macalester College where I graduated. And then I went on to get a Ph.D. from USC [University of Southern California]. Uhh, So I started teaching in 1963, I believe. \n\nDo you have any other questions about my childhood? \n\nFerland:  Yeah. Do you have more memories from San Francisco? Is there anything around this time that, I guess, you can see that motivated you into doing philosophy later? Or —\n\nChinn:  Well, only one thing. I mean, I had no idea what I was going to major in when I went to Berkeley. (coughs) but I told my parents that I was going to go into pre-med because I thought that would please them. (laughs)  So at Berkeley, I took a philosophy course. And it was a course from Professor Edward Strong, who later became Chancellor of Berkeley. But, I guess that one course interested me in philosophy. I mean, I found the subject fascinating. So, I think because of that I decided when I transferred to Macalester that I would take my philosophy, and it went on from there. So, Macalester, I changed my major to philosophy. \n\nFerland:  So, what motivated you to transfer from Berkeley to Macalester? \n\nChinn:  Well, it was just that I was seeing that, uhm, my life has been so narrow. I mean, I lived in San Francisco all my life. I was a typical immigrant child. I mean, I lived in Chinatown, and we never saw much of the world beyond Chinatown. So, I decided I wanted a new experience. And my minister at that time recommended Macalester College in Minnesota. I've never been out of the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFerland:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. \n\nChinn:  So, I decided to take a chance and go over there, which I did. It was a totally new experience for me. It was like starting out completely anew, you know, a new life. But it was a very important experience. \n\n  Could you talk more about your journey to higher education, such as middle school, high school, and also of your time at Macalester? \n\nChinn:  Well, I mean, you know, my strongest memory was the fact that, uhm, I was a very good math student all the way through my school. But I was terrible in English. (laughs)  And I realize now it's because of the fact that English was my second language and I was very shy and I really couldn't do well in English my whole life. And, when I was a senior in high school, my favorite teacher had happened to be an English teacher. And she was a very kind person. And, at that time, Berkeley was the only school I could go to because Berkeley was a public university, and I didn't have to pay tuition. But they had an exam. They had this famous exam, entrance exam that you have to pass. If you don't pass it, you've got to take a special English course. A remedial course in English. So, my English class in high school tried to prepare the students for the test. So, they gave us a sample test and part of the test was to write a short essay. I had to pick a subject right there and you know write on that subject. So, anyway, after every test I took, I failed. And my teacher finally sat me down and said, \"Oh, Ewing,\" you know, I still remember. But she said to me, she said, \"Ewing, I like you very much. You're really a nice guy. But I have to tell you, you're not going to pass this test.” (laughs)  “So, don't worry about it. You just relax and take it you know.\" So, for some reason, it kind of did relax me. I took the test. And the procedure was after you took the test, you had to go back to the school, to an office, to get your grade, to see how you did. So, I took the train. I was living in San Francisco, so I took the train across the bay to Berkeley and went over to the office. And there was a little window there, where you go. And I went to the window and told the guy I went to my school for the English test. And he looked at it (coughs), he got my file and looked at it and kind of shook his head and said, \"Well, here it is.\" And I looked at it and I saw that I passed (laughs). I mean I was so shocked that I ran all the way back to the bus, to the train. I took the train all the way and the transfer to the bus all the way to the school, high school (laughs).  I ran into my teacher's classroom, and she was, she had a class going on. I just ran into the class and told her I'd pass. And she was so shocked. And, after I got my Ph.D. from USC, I went to see her again. And she told me that I was a legend in the school, you know. Because every time she had a class in English, you know, she would tell the students about me. As an example of somebody who should never give up. You always passed. \n\n  You got all the way to the Ph.D. That’s impressive. \n\nChinn:  I took a long time to learn how to write. I don't think I really, you know, started to write well until I got, was in graduate school. But that was hard. \n\n  So, why philosophy? I know you talked a little bit about the class you took, but like what sparked your interest in philosophy?\n\nChinn:  Well, just that one class. Just that one class, I just got intrigued by the subject and just by, you know, the kind of problems that philosophers deal with and the way we deal with it intrigued me. So, I just, the more I took, the more I liked it. \n\n  Interesting, and how did your parents react when you told them you were going to do philosophy?\n\nChinn:  Well, when you found out what philosophy meant,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I couldn't even explain to them what I was doing, what I was majoring in, but they found out from a friend what philosophy meant in Chinese. And it's a very honorable subject. So, when they found out I was doing that, I was going to be a scholar, they were very pleased. So, yeah, I mean, I was the only child who left home, you know, I lived outside of San Francisco for all my life after growing up there. And, all my brothers and sisters are still around the area, except for, well, my nephew that lives outside of San Francisco. Other than him, everybody all still lives in the Bay Area, my whole family. So, I have three brothers and sisters.\n\nFerland:  And they all live in the Bay Area. Interesting. So, after Macalester and your Master’s at USC —\n\nChinn:  My PhD. \n\nFerland:  Yeah, your PhD at USC. Why did you choose to become a professor? How did you come to that choice? \n\nChinn:  Well, I was, you know, I really didn't have anybody to guide me with my career. I mean, I had good teachers, and I had good relationships with them, but at USC at that time, there was no effort to advise the students of what (cough) to do. I just found out how to go about it. So, I applied after I finished my PhD. I applied to several schools, and I went in. I don't know exactly how it happened, but I got a job at the, in LA, it was some kind of think tank. And I asked him, you know, what I'm supposed to do. And he said, well, you just come in and we'll see, we'll find out. Just think (laughs). It's a think tank. So, I was about to stop doing that when I got a call from Oregon State. And that was one of the schools I applied to, and they said, you know, they had a job for me. But it was a one-year job to replace a professor on leave. It was just a one-year temporary job. So, when I was there, I started applying elsewhere too. And my second job I got was at Bowling Green State University in Ohio. So, I went from Oregon State to Ohio. And from Ohio (coughs), I applied to Trinity, and I got a job there. And I got the job because the chairman [of the religion department] of Bowling Green had left Bowling Green and went to Trinity to become chair there. And he was one who you know who recommended or advised me to apply to Trinity, which I did. And I've been there ever since. \n\nFerland:  So, to touch upon some of your earlier faculty positions at Bowling Green and Oregon as well, umm, what was the learning curve like just becoming a professor? Did it come naturally, or how did you navigate that? \n\nChinn:  I don't know. I mean, you really can't— I mean, I went back and reread some of my stuff I wrote early in my career. I was kind of surprised because there was like a different person who wrote these things, you know. So, I think my uh thinking and my you know my work was very different when I began. Because when I started, my main area was logic and the philosophy of science. That was my major field. My dissertation was on philosophy of science (cough). And I didn't change until I was at Trinity. So, my development in the first you know three or four years, and the other schools were pretty much in the same field in philosophy of science. But at Trinity, I decided to try Asian philosophy, which I taught one course, and then I went to an institute. This was my first exposure to real high-level thinkers in the field of Asian philosophy. \n\nBut [00: 15: 00] the National Endowment for Humanities had this special program. So, every summer, they offered a series of seminars and institutes to faculty members. So, you can apply to these institutes and seminars and spend three to five weeks with other faculty learning a different field. So, the University of Hawaii was offering an institute, a five-week institute in Asian philosophy and comparative philosophy. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  And that's when I met some of these people that influenced me so much in the field. But that was when I started relearning about Asian philosophy. \n\nFerland:  So, you touched on it a little bit, but sort of like what ultimately led you to Trinity, how was your transition to Trinity from Bowling Green, just compared to some of the other institutions you were at, and just was there any culture shocks in San Antonio? \n\nChinn:  No, no. Well, you know, I was struck by the way people were much more friendly seemingly in San Antonio than anywhere else. \n\nFerland:  Yeah. \n\nChinn:  But, and of course the weather, it was humid when it got here (laughs) . Yeah. But the transition to different schools was really pretty much the same. I mean, you know, I really, now, each time I met some of many nice people in the department and in the university. So, it was all very, very natural. \n\nFerland:  And how did you find your place, like, among the students? Like, did the students, were they pretty receptive or welcoming? \n\nChinn:  Yeah, I think so. I think— my memory is that I think the students at Bowling Green seemed to be the most receptive. And I think maybe it's because they were students that were kind of in the middle or lower class. And somehow, they seemed to relate better to me. In Trinity, the kids were, you know, from much more wealthy families and so not so much. But, yeah, good memories of the students at Bowling Green.\n\nFerland:  So, at the time of your arrival, how was the culture between student and faculty as well as, I guess, faculty, faculty? Like Sort of an open-ended question, but—\n\nChinn:  Well, Trinity was a very conservative place back then. I think it still is, but it's not so much anymore. But the uh, my, the chairman who I followed from Bowling Green to Trinity was somebody who was a very charismatic teacher and he quickly, you know, had a following of students at Trinity. But he was a very liberal guy and so he was known as somebody who was, you know, was giving kids certain ideas that were, contrary to some of the thinking of, you know, the administration. \n\nFerland:  Do you recall his name? \n\nChinn:  Sherman Stanage. Sherman Stanage. S-T-A-N-A-G-E. \n\nFerland:  Sherman Stanage, and you followed him from Bowling? \n\nChinn:  From Bowling Green to Trinity. So, we went to Trinity and so we were, you know, I was in my thirties, early thirties then, and so we had a group of young faculty that we call ourselves the Young Turks. And we would meet sometimes, you know, to talk about the problems at Trinity. One night, for example, we were meeting in a classroom and all of a sudden, the president at that time was James Laurie, L-A-U-R-R-I-E, James Laurie. And all of a sudden, the door came open and Laurie stuck his head in. And he apologized and said right away, \"I'm sorry I'm showing some people around the building.\" [00: 20: 00] But I could tell he looked around the room to make sure he saw who was there. \n\nFerland:  Interesting. \n\nChinn:  So, things like that. Anyway, and when we got to Trinity, before school started, Laurie invited my family, me and my family and Sherman's family to dinner, which was kind of strange. I didn't know why he invited us, but we had dinner with him. And next thing we knew during the semester, Sherman was up for tenure. And the university, through the dean, rejected his tenure, denied him tenure. And so, Sherman was shocked. I mean, you know, there was no— back then Trinity had no real tenure system. Nobody, there was no procedure of how you — evaluating you. It was just decisions made by the higher-ups. So, the dean and the president really essentially make the decision whether they want to keep you or not, based only on whether they like you or not.\n\nFerland:  Oh. And that's what —\n\nChinn:  So, nothing to do with your performance. So, anyway, so of course the kids rioted (laughs). They started demonstrating. And I had to go and speak to the group one time. They were demonstrating, and I got on the table and tried to calm them down and make them go back. So, Sherman wasn't going to take it lying down, so he decided to challenge the decision and bring in the [American] Association for University Professors to, he was claiming the violation of academic freedom. Because it was because of what he was — not as performed, but he was teaching the students, so they thought. So, Sherman had nobody backing him up. All his friends kind of deserted him, so I became his advisor for the hearing. And of course we lost, because the university senate, who was supposed to conduct the hearing, was made up of tenure full professors. It was not an elected senate. So, the university got rid of Sherman. But because of Sherman's case, the university had to change their procedures. They had to have a different academic senate. For the first time they had elected the [faculty] senate. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  And I and a friend of mine, Larry Kimmel, were elected to the Senate. \n\nFerland:  What was your friend's name? Larry Kimmel?\n\nChinn:  Larry Kimmel. K-I-N-M-E-L. He and I were elected to the Senate. The first academic senate. \n\nFerland:  The first academic Senate. And that was the one that would decide tenure roles? \n\nChinn:  Well, no. The other senate decided against Sherman, because of the decision. \n\nFerland:  Oh, yes. \n\nChinn:  And the fact that the senate was not elected, AAUP urged the university to change the senate to elected senate, which they did. \n\nFerland:  And then that was, then that one would elect the, or choose when the professor's got tenure or not. \n\nChinn:  Well, the senate would be part of the procedure. I mean, after, the other change that took place was that the university had to establish the procedure for tenure. \n\nFerland:  Okay. \n\nChinn:  So, Sherman's case made a big difference in Trinity. So, before then, we had no, no, no, we didn't have any procedures at all.\n\nFerland:  So, let's see. During your time, and you talked a bit about, sort of the Young Turks talking about problems at Trinity. Can you recall any specific Trinity ones, as well as like the atmosphere around sort of the national ones, such as the Vietnam War? \n\nChinn:  No, no, no more. Well, no, no, I mean, there wasn't any, many specific issues that, but, well, like, for example, when, uh, uh, Martin Luther King was assassinated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=600.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Trinity did not fly; it was not flying half-mast because the president was out of town, and they couldn't get ahold of him to get his permission to do it. So, because, uh, he didn't get the permission, they were afraid to fly it. So, it was a university dominated by the president. I mean, he made all the important decisions. And, uh, but after, I think Sherman's case really started making changes. So, from that moment on, you know, things started to get better. \n\nFerland:  Were there any local issues that you remember, San Antonio specific? \n\nChinn:  No, I don't think so. \n\nFerland:  So, around this time, how was your family life at Trinity? You know, sort of like, when did you get married as well as, like, how? (laughs) A bit of a pivot. \n\nChinn:  Oh, it was, well, I was married before I started teaching. I was, after, after I graduated from Trinity, from, uh, Macalester, I decided to, to go into, uh, where I was, I wasn't, I got a, I forgot what happened, but I, I, I'm not sure what I applied to in these, what schools I applied to, but I did apply to several schools, but, but, uh, I got a Rockefeller Fellowship to, to go —\n\nFerland:  The seminary? \n\nChinn:  The seminary, yeah, to, uh, I forgot the name of it already. \n\nFerland:  I might have some notes on it somewhere. Uh, but it was one specifically for, like, a religious one, right? \n\nChinn:  Yeah\n\nFerland:  I believe. \n\nChinn:  Union, Union Theological Seminary. \n\nFerland:  Ah, yes. \n\nChinn:  New York City and Columbia. It was a joint program, Columbia. So I took classes at Columbia and, and, and, and, and, and, and, it was in New York when I met my wife. And we got married, you know, that year. So, when I, so I taught, after that I taught one, I took a year off working at a church in L.A. and then I went to, uh, USC. So, after three, three years of grad school and four — So, my son was born when I was in the USC. And then, uh, so when I, when I, when I started teaching at Trinity, I had two sons already. \n\nFerland:  Oh wow.\n\nChinn:  By then I already had a family. \n\nFerland:  And how did they adjust to the move to Trinity? \n\nChinn:  They adjusted very well. They, they, they liked, they liked the, they liked the area very much. \n\nFerland:  Were they involved at all within the Trinity community, like taking your sons to work or something like that? \n\nChinn:  No, no, no, they, they were too young. I mean, they were just in grade school then. \n\nFerland:  So. Let's see, and let's see, oh, my next question was actually about, uh, Dr. Sherman Stanage, but you already, uh, talked pretty — \n\nChinn:  Oh, you, you got his name already, huh? From where? \n\nFerland:  Yeah, there was actually a report done that was pretty extensive about his experience and the effects at Trinity, so. \n\nChinn:  Report by Sherman or about Sherman? \n\nFerland:  About Sherman, that a different student had done. \n\nChinn:  Really? A student, did it? \n\nFerland:  At Trinity, yep. Mm-hmm. \n\nChinn:  (unintelligible), which professor, where do you get the information from? \n\nFerland:  Hmm. \n\nChinn:  Where do you get the information from? \n\nFerland:  I think a lot of the university archives; they were able to —\n\nChinn:  They were there, really? \n\nFerland:  Yeah, there were some records there. \n\nChinn:  Oh, I see. Oh, good. I'm glad they kept the records. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hmm. So, just a bit more about, like, how did this experience, you know, impact your, uh, I don't know, your perception of Trinity, or at least the administration, at the time? \n\nChinn:  Well, I mean, it's, it's hard to know because, you know, you don't know what to compare it to. Mm-hmm. But I mean","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":", Sherman came from Bowling Green during his time before I came. It was a very repressive school. So, I, I guess, I mean, when he went to Trinity, it was, he didn't, he didn't think it would be that way, too, but it was, but it was, so he was, he struck him as surprised. But, Sherman’s — what made the administration at Trinity fear Sherman was because of his reputation. He, he was, when he was a Bowling Green, the administration there was much more repressive than the Trinity. They, they would, they would lock the faculty member's door. \n\nFerland:  Wow. \n\nChinn:  You know, when they leave so they, they couldn’t go back in there, I guess. Yeah. It was really repressive. And so, Sherman got up one day at, at a senate meeting and made a speech. It was a very, very, you know, strong, challenging speech. And he, he got the president to fire him. They fired him. And that led to a huge demonstration by the students. It was, it was unbelievable. And as a result, they had to rehire Sherman. And they made him a hero. So, you know, when I met Sherman at Bowling Green, I could tell, I mean, I could tell his, his stature at that school was amazing. I mean, he was, so he, so that followed him to Trinity. Which is why they, they got to try to get rid of it. So, I mean, I was, I would say that my, my experience at Trinity was really, very interesting and amazing because I, I went through so much. I mean, the school has changed so much. So, when I started, when Laurie was president, I was involved with a lot of the committees that rewrote a lot of the policies of the school. And so, what it has become now, it's completely, you know, the transition is so, so different. I think, I think, the time I taught there, I think there were four or five different presidents.\n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. Could you talk a bit about some of the changes you helped implement or at least the results of them? \n\nChinn:  Well, I, I wrote the tenure procedures. \n\nFerland:  Wow. \n\nChinn:  I was in the committee; I was chair of the committee. I wrote the, the tenure procedures for the school. And I was, for many years I was a member of the research council that awarded summer, summer grants to faculty. And, and talking, talking about the Asian Studies program, I, you know, we, we didn't really, we didn't really have a program, I mean, we had a program on paper, but — \n\nFerland:  Yeah. \n\nChinn:  But the, the people who were teaching the subjects, never really came together to talk — talk about any kind of joint programs, but we never really had any. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hm. \n\nChinn:  So, the program consisted of, of isolated cases of cooperation and, and events that, that we're able to, to bring about. For example, I think in 19, 1992, uh, the year before, 1991, Roger Ames, who was one of the major figures in the uh, Asian Studies program at, at Hawaii —\n\nFerland:  Mm-hm.\n\nChinn:  called me and said that he, he and, uh, his co-author, uh, David Hall, are going to have a tour of the U.S. giving lectures on the second book. They had written a book called Thinking Through Confucius, which is a very influential book, uh, Chinese philosophy, Thinking Through Confucius.\n\nFerland:  Thinking Through Confucius. Mm-hm. \n\nChinn:  And, uh, they had written a second book called Anticipating","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":", I see, Anticipating, uh, China. Yeah, Anticipating China, and they were going to go, uh, all around the country. They went to twelve schools that year. \n\nFerland:  Wow. \n\nChinn:  To, to give lectures about, uh, on, on, on that second book. And he wanted to know whether, whether, whether, you know, I wanted them to stop at Trinity, to be one of the, one of the schools that he would stop at. So, they started in the East Coast, and went, they started with the University of Southern Maine, went to, uh, Harvard and Brown and Boston University. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hm. \n\nChinn:  And then cut across the country, to, to the West Coast, and went to Berkeley, UC Berkeley, and Stanford, and UC California, Davis. So, Trinity was one of the stops that they made. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  So when I, when I, so I told, I told Roger, \"yeah, let me, let me talk to some people, and we'll get back to you.\" So I called Stephen Field, and Randy Nadeau and the three of us got together and talked about what we used to do. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hm. \n\nChinn:  And Randy came out with the idea of having a class where we would, it would be a special class where we would teach first the book, Thinking Through Confucius, and get the students prepared to attend the lectures for the second book. That was the idea to get, to get the students, you know, to be ready, so that when the lectures come, they'll be, they'll be ready for it. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hm. \n\nChinn:  And so three of us split, split the work up, we each, Thinking Through Confucius had six chapters. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hm. \n\nChinn:  Six long chapters. Each one of us would take two chapters and then lecture on those two chapters. So, we did that and then got, got the, so by the time Roger and David came, you know, we had students who were already, pretty, you know, pretty, psyched up for the lectures. And Roger later told me that we were one of the best stops they had. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. That's impressive. \n\nChinn:  But some of the students even, even made up a T-shirt for the— \n\nFerland:  (laughs)  \n\nChinn:  and we gave them, as the president, a T-shirt. We all bought the T-shirt. It was a T-shirt about the Confucius tour, and they had a picture of Confucius riding a motorcycle with a cigar in his mouth. \n\nFerland:  (laughs)  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  And they said David Horn, Ames tour. But it was, it was very, so that was a very good program we had at the start. \n\nFerland:  Yeah. And that was sort of like the start of both the EAST Program as well as the —\n\nChinn:  Well, it was one of the major events that we have in the program. \n\nFerland:  Oh. And, to kind of go back a little bit on, I remember you talking about how your focus in philosophy was more on like the, was it the ethics of the, so like, how did you phrase it?\n\nChinn:  Logic and philosophy and science. \n\nFerland:  Logic and philosophy and science. And I think I saw one of your early courses or one of your ones that showed up in the archives was Ethical Issues in Engineering at Stanford. \n\nChinn:  Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Well, my early years at Trinity, I did a lot of work with other faculty. I kind of enjoyed that. So, I forgot the name of the professor. Do you have the name of the professor that I did it with. That course, Ethical Issues. \n\nFerland:  I don't think I do. \n\nChinn:  Anyway, so I taught that course with, with somebody in engineering science. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. Yeah. \n\nChinn:  And I also taught another course on medical ethics. So, at that time I was doing this kind of work, medical ethics and engineering ethics. \n\nFerland:  And a lot of these were collaborations with departments outside of just philosophy right? With engineering?\n\nChinn:  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, then I did a course on — so there are three courses I did. Medical ethics, I forgot who I did it with, and then engineering ethics. And then I did a course in physics and the history of science with Dick Bartels, and Dick Bartels was the chairman of the physics department at that time. \n\nFerland:  This was?\n\nChinn:  Dick Bartels. \n\nFerland:  Dick Bartels. \n\nChinn:  B-A-R-T-E-L-S.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFerland:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.\n\nChinn:  Oh, yeah. In physics. Yeah. So, he and I did, I think we taught that course twice. \n\n  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  So, I did a lot of that when I started teaching at Trinity. \n\n  Mm-hm. And so, then how was the transition from that to more Eastern and sort of the Chinese philosophy? \n\nChinn:  It was very — it was quite extreme. Yeah, I mean, I had to start from scratch, you know, so I, essentially I became a student. \n\n  Yeah. \n\nChinn:  But that's one seminar, that seminar really did it for me because I met, I met all these people that later on helped me, influenced me to write certain papers. \n\n  And this was going on at the National Humanities? \n\nChinn:  It was at the University of Hawaii. But it was sponsored, it was funded by the National Endowment for the Humanities [NEH]. \n\n  Oh, yeah. \n\nChinn:  That's comparable to the National Endowment for the Sciences, NSF. NEH agency for the Humanities is a comparable agency in the U.S. So, I mean — there were about twenty people in the institute. And they paid for the housing as well as they gave each person a stipend. \n\n  And this —\n\nChinn:  So, that was at the University of Hawaii. \n\n  University of Hawaii. And that was sort of where you began the pivot towards — \n\nChinn:  Right. That's when I met Roger Ames in Confucianism and Zhuangzi. And then I met other people too, like David Kalupahana in Buddhism, Eliot Deutsch in Hinduism. \n\n  So, you said Roger Ames, Eliot— \n\nChinn:  Deutsch. D-E-U-T-S-C-H. Eliot Deutsch. \n\n  D-E-U-T-S-C-H. Okay. \n\nChinn:  And David Kalupahana. Kalupahana is spelled like a sound. K-A-L-U-P-A-H-A-N-A. Kalupahana. \n\n  Oh, okay, interesting.  \n\nChinn:  He was a great scholar in Buddhism. \n\n  And so, of the three philosophies, which one were you most interested in for your — \n\nChinn:  Well, I —\n\n  That you came back to Trinity with? \n\nChinn:  Actually, I was — Both Roger and Kalupahana were pretty much equal. My first two papers were in Buddhism.\n\n  Oh. Mm-hmm. \n\nChinn:  And then after that I wrote most of my papers on Chinese philosophy. The other person that I met who wasn't on the faculty, Kalupahana and Ames were on the institute's faculty. But they also brought in speakers. And one speaker they brought in was Henry Rosemont. Henry Rosemont became a major influence on me. \n\n  Henry Rosemont. \n\nChinn:  He came to Trinity at least three times to give lectures. I invited him. We invited him to Trinity to be a visiting professor for a semester. \n\n  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  Henry Rosemont. So, he was very close to Trinity. \n\n  And so, was it, um, how challenging was it to come back to Trinity and sort of start like more of the East Asian philosophy? \n\nChinn:  Well, it was pretty easy actually. I mean, the fact that my colleagues were very supportive. So, it wasn't a problem at all. So, when I came back, I established — the first course I taught was a special course on Indian philosophy. So, I used to do two courses, Philosophies of India and Philosophies of China. And I took turns teaching those two courses every year. Then we had special, you know, what we called reading, reading courses. Once in a while we would use that. \n\n  Were these more like upper division courses? \n\nChinn:  Yeah, they were upper division courses. They were all more upper division. Well, I think I might have — there might have been an Introduction to Asian Philosophy course, too. I think we had that course. I'm sure we did. \n\n  What course? \n\nChinn:  Introduction to Asian philosophy. I think we may have had that. I was thinking about introducing that. \n\n  Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":", And now just to get a little bit more on, sort of like, I think the EAST Program, the actual program that started, but like —\n\nChinn:  Yeah. Yeah. \n\nFerland:  Started like, either right around when you retired or a year after, but —\n\nChinn:  No, it started pretty soon after Stephen Field came. \n\nFerland:  Oh, okay. \n\nChinn:  I think. \n\nFerland:  Because I think, did the Chinese Modern Language Department exist when you first came to Trinity? \n\nChinn:  No, no, it existed when Stephen Field, they hired Stephen Field. \n\nFerland:  Okay. \n\nChinn:  So, I mean, he was really instrumental in developing that program. \n\nFerland:  Mm-hmm. \n\nChinn:  But the second thing that we did was, it’s kind of ironic (laughs) . It’s a funny story. Trinity at that time, this was in 1996, yeah, around about two years before 96, Trinity started a summer program where they offered a faculty seminar. And, they had two each summer where they had that.  And the third summer was the summer that I applied for a seminar on, what we call it? Confucian — “Confucianism in the West.” I think that's what we call it. We call it.\n\nFerland:  Confucianism in the West. \n\nChinn:  Confucianism in the West. And the name, Confucianism in the West, was the name recommended by, suggested by Stephen Field (laughs) . So again, I got to, I forgot why I got these people, but I got to get a group of faculty, including Stephen and his colleague. He had a Chinese woman, Meng Yeh, I think. I think that's her name. She was — yeah, Meng Yeh. M-E-N-G —\n\nFerland:  M-E-N-G. \n\n[Chnn]:  Y-E-H.\n\nFerland:  Y-E-H.\n\nChinn:  She was, she was his other faculty member in the Chinese Studies Program. There were two of them in Chinese language studies. Meng Yeh and Stephen Field. So, I asked them to come to a meeting with me and my, my colleague, Stephen Field, I mean Stephen Luper, and somebody else from sociology. I forgot her name now. So anyway, we got to meet and discuss what kind of seminar this should be, and Stephen was the one who came up with all these ideas. You know he was, he was the main source of all these — that we later on, the — so we had to apply for the summer grant for this program, and this was the result. This was the budget that we had. \n\n[Dr. Chinn shows budget to Ferland].\n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  But anyway — \n\nFerland:  Can I take a picture of these?\n\nChinn:  Sure, so Stephen, there's two pages I think, yeah here you go.\n\nFerland:  Oh, thank you, and he came up with a lot of ideas?\n\nChinn:  Oh, three pages, yeah most of the ideas were his. \n\nFerland:  And this was all during one summer? \n\nChinn:  Yeah, that was before the summer. We applied for the seminar. It took place in the summer.  So, it took place in the summer, but we met the year before to write up the proposal. And so I'm saying, what I'm saying is that Stephen contributed the most of all of us to the proposal that we sent in and we got accepted, but Stephen said, \"Look, you know, unfortunately I'm not going to be around this summer because I've got to be away from my sabbatical or something.\" And he had a research year that — he couldn't make it, so could — can we postpone for a year? And we couldn't so, I told Stephen, I'm sorry, you can't — and poor Stephen, I mean, he was, I don't blame him for being mad at us because, he was going to come up with the idea that we — he couldn't be part of the program. As you can see his name is not there. Meng Yeh, Meng Yeh is there. Right? Steven Luper is there, and all these other people that helped me was there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":", but poor Stephen Field couldn't make it. So, when you see him ask him if he remembers that. (laughs)  That’s funny.\n\nFerland:  So, he wasn't part of that.\n\nChinn:  But he came, he came with a great idea for the seminar, all these people. It was because of my connection with Roger Ames and other people that we were able to get these people to come. \n\nFerland:  So, a lot of them weren't Trinity, right? Faculty, right? \n\nChinn:  Some of them were Trinity, but most of them were all sides. But I used, I used some of the people in the group to be on the program, but for example we had the — Roger recommended, let's see. Yeah, Anne Thurston, she wrote this — Anne Thurston, T-H-U-R-S-T-O-N. She wrote this book. Mao Zedong’s doctor wrote a book with the help of Anne Thurston. Anne Thurston was co-author about Mao Zedong.\n\nFerland:  And what was the name of the doctor?\n\nChinn:  I don't remember the name of the doctor, but this Chinese doctor who was Mao Zedong’s Tung's doctor — defected, and he wrote this book with Anne Thurston's help about Mao Zedong.  Like we learned from the doctor that Mao Zedong would carry his bed with him everywhere he went. He would always carry his bed with him. He said that — so, Anne told me that he had a really horrible time with this guy, working with this doctor. \n\nFerland:  A horrible time with the doctor? \n\nChinn:  Yeah, working with the doctor. So, she wrote a long paper that she couldn't publish because, you know, it would be scandalous to do it about this, this doctor. And she was part of the seminar — \n\nFerland:  Oh, so there were a lot of —\n\nChinn:  Yeah, she wrote me a nice note about it, and she thought it was one of the best experiences she ever had in the seminar.\n\nFerland:  This was 1996? \n\nChinn:  Yeah, 1996. \n\nFerland:  Oh. And this was sort of like one of the earlier parts of the EAST Program?\n\nChinn:  Here’s the group. [Shows Ferland photograph.]\n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. And I can also take a picture of this one? \n\nChinn:  Yeah. \n\nFerland:  And that's you right there, right?\n\nChinn:  Yeah, that's Roger and — \n\nFerland:  Roger Ames.\n\nChinn:  Roger and David. \n\nFerland:  Oh, ok.  Interesting. Thank you. And that was one of the bigger events —\n\nChinn:  Yeah.\n\nFerland:  That the EAST Program started?\n\nChinn:  Yeah, and the last thing that I was involved with was that David Hall — David Hall died a few years later from pancreatic cancer. And so we had a,  so I organized and directed a conference for him. And we called that the, let's see what it would be called.  This was in 19 — no, 2003.\n\nFerland:  2003?\n\nChinn:  2003, May 2003. It's called the David Hall Memorial Conference. And uh, and this was, had speakers from all over the world come to —\n\nFerland:  Oh wow.\n\nChinn:  Trinity. And we had, we held this conference at the, at the convention center.  What do you call it? \n\nFerland:  The Holt Center?\n\nChinn:  Yeah, the Holt Center, I think. And it's a picture of the conference. These were — the conference.\n\nFerland:  Oh, wow.  Let's see, there's you, and is Dr. Field — \n\nChinn:  Probably — No, he wasn’t there.\n\nFerland:  Oh, he wasn't there.\n\nChinn:  Let's see, who else, who else in the faculty oh no, he's there. He was there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/transcript/92966/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":". He's right there. \n\nFerland:  Oh, yeah. I didn't recognize him (laughs) . Oh. And this was the David Hall Memorial Conference. \n\nChinn:  David Hall? 2003. \n\nFerland:  Interesting. So, this was in the 2000s, right? \n\nChinn:  2003. We have a book that came out from there. Yeah, there is no other, well Randy Nadeau is back there. \n\nFerland:  Can I take a photo of that one as well? \n\nChinn:  This one? \n\nFerland:  There's a lot of important um members of the EAST Program. \n\nChinn:  This one is a picture of Stephen and Randy. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  And this is my wife there. And David and Roger. \n\nFerland:  Oh wow, that's interesting. So, let's see. Sort of another question I kind of had is, as a professor from the late 60s to the early 2000s, what do you think was some of the biggest changes at Trinity? It can be anything from physical ones, like the buildings, or cultural, political, or even the academic ones? \n\nChinn:  Well, I think the biggest change was the, was the requirements for tenure for professors. We were much more strict and fair in the way we assessed tenure. So I mean, because of that, the faculty has improved vastly. Vastly improved… I think Trinity still has to do a lot more to, to broaden the perspective of the school. \n\nFerland:  Mhm\n\nChinn:  I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I like to compare Trinity to my old undergraduate school, Macalester. I get, I get magazines from Macalester all the time, so I keep track of what's happening there. And so, their program stresses international, you know, relations. So many, many of the students go out and work in fields that were, that were relevant to international affairs. Trinity is still too restricted to, you know, in terms of the focus, the students focus. \n\nFerland:  Mhm\n\nChinn:  So, I guess this will be coming, the more — the better the quality of the faculty, I think, the more effective way students perceive their life and their work. \n\nFerland:  And since you were one of the first AAPI [Asian American Pacific Islander] professors of Asian descent, \n\nChinn:  I was the first (laughs) . \n\nFerland:  Did you notice some changes like toward the end of your career there, having more professors of Asian descent and what not, or students as well? \n\nChinn:  Oh yeah, I mean, especially from Stephen’s department, we're getting more. I don't know. Aside from Stephen’s department, I don't think there's any Asian professors. Do you know of any right now?\n\nFerland:  There's a few more that are outside of just the East Asian Department.\n\nChinn:  Really, I don't know, I haven't kept track. \n\nFerland:  It's probably changed a lot in the last 20, 19 years. \n\nChinn:  Yeah, probably, yeah.\n\nFerland:  But did you notice a change in the students as well, like the type of students from the 60s to the early 2000s?\n\nChinn:  Oh yeah, they kept getting better. \n\nFerland:  (laughs)  And just a little bit about, I guess, sort of the transition from the early — like internet days, how was that transition for you,?  Like the start of the technology and what not?\n\nChinn:  (laughs)  It was amazing how fast; I remember my first computer was an apple computer. And um I’m one of these klutzs when it comes to you know mechanics stuff. I’m very opposite of being mechanical minded. So I managed to learn how to do some things on it, but it was hard for me to learn. And if I don’t continue to you know practice it I forget it. Like when I, Henry Rosemount and I coedited this book that we got out of a conference. We did a book that was a collection of readings, collection of essays from a conference. So, I had to do all the work putting the book together.\n\nFerland:  Yeah.\n\nChinn:  I learned how to, you know, combine these essays and files and stuff like that. And footnotes and things.  I did it, I mean I learned how to do it and had to learn and I did it. And now If you asked me to do it again I couldn’t I wouldn’t do it again.\n\nFerland:  (laughs)  Yeah. And just a bit more about your time at Trinity. I think I recall reading somewhere that you were an avid tennis player, was it? Or if you have any positive memories about that.\n\nChinn:  Oh yeah, it was my wife that was the tennis player, my first wife. So she was Chinese, and we would play together all the time, you know, three to four times a week, we’d play weekends. My tennis partner was Dr. William Walker from Religion, I think he’s still around. But William Walker and I would play lunch hour around 12 o’ clock, three times a week.\n\nFerland:  Oh wow, that’s neat.\n\nChinn:  And I guess, an indication of how my reputation with tennis was. When I got my leave, what do you call it? Sabbatical, one year. Uhm, what’s his name, god I forgot his name already. Gene Norris, no not uh Gene Norris. Somebody in the Physics Department.  We played tennis with — said, “we aren’t losing a faculty member, we’re gaining a tennis court.”\n\nFerland:  (laughs)  That’s funny. And now I think, let’s see sort of a bit more about your post Trinity life and whatnot. Given your time at Trinity, how do you think your experience has shaped you as a person? That’s also sort of an open-ended question. \n\nChinn:  Well, my work has been a major focus of my life, so I mean I guess I identify myself in terms of being who I am as a teacher and a scholar. Because, when you work in a certain field and when a lot of your life is involved with the associations you have with faculty and other schools. So, my relationship with various people shaped my identity.\n\nFerland:  And, so you stayed at Trinity for 38 years, and you stayed in the San Antonio area.\n\nChinn:  Well (laughs)  I took a year off and I decided I had too much free time on my hands that, why don’t I teach a little bit you know? So, I called my friend at UTSA [University of Texas at San Antonio] and asked him if I could teach a course at UTSA. And he was very excited when I asked him that question. He said, \"come on over and we'll talk.\" So he gave me a list of courses, about ten courses, (laughs)   \"Take your pick.\" You know? It turned out that at that time they had a bit, they were still new as a university, but they had a bad year. \n\nFerland:  Mhm.\n\nChinn:  They had, they were down to two faculty full time. \n\nFerland:  Oh wow.\n\nChinn:  They only had two people teaching full time, so they needed help desperately. So, I thought, no, I don't want to teach more than one course. Let me just teach the — I just decided to teach logic, just to keep busy. So that's how it started. Well, I've been teaching ten years here. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  So, and they wanted to offer me a contract. They wanted me to give me a contract to be a teacher full time. I couldn't do it. \n\nFerland:  (laughs). Yeah.\n\nChinn:  I just thought, two courses in a semester, that's it. \n\nFerland: Wow. And this was after your retirement from Trinity? \n\nChinn:  Yeah. So I finally retired after ten years after that. So after 2015 I was done. No more. \n\nFerland:  Wow. And so, what made you decide to stay in the San Antonio area? Because most of your family, you said, is still in the San Francisco area? \n\nChinn:  Well, yeah, but, you know, Zsuszu, my wife. There are two sons that live in San Antonio, and we became very close to them. So, it was just so hard to make the transition back to San Francisco. When I first left home, I was left home for Macalester. \n\nFerland:  Mhm\n\nChinn:  You know, we would go back to San Francisco every Christmas and summer. So it was a routine that we would keep our connection. And I think if I would continue to do that, I would have moved back there. But we stopped doing that after a while. We didn't go back for the summer anymore, or Christmas. So when we stopped doing that, I think I lost touch with people there. So this is our home, so we wouldn't leave. \n\nFerland:  Um, how have you continued to sort of stay connected with Trinity communities? \n\nChinn:  Well, I haven't. I really haven't. No, I mean, partly because it was hard for me to get around. So that's how we go back there. For a while, when I first, I would go back to the library and the department and check with people. But I then stopped doing that. \n\nFerland:  So, yeah,  and this is sort of the last question. But just before we end, is there anything else you would like to share? Any stories? It can be on just quite literally anything that we touched on before, just something new that I think would add to the interview. \n\nChinn:  I’m trying to think. We're going back. I guess we should emphasize one of the things that has changed so much about Trinity. \n\nFerland:  Mhm \n\nChinn:  From the time I first got there, let's say, for the first ten years of Trinity, was the concept of the administration, that for the first ten years of Trinity, the chairman of the department was part of the administration. Because the chairman was somebody who was appointed by the administration without any feedback from the faculty. \n\nFerland:  So they wouldn't actually teach courses? \n\nChinn:  No, they would teach courses, but I mean, by me, part of the administration, I mean the loyalty is to the administration. So, you know, they would consider to be part of the administration. And now it's completely different. The chairman now is — first of all, the chairman — before the chairman was kind of a permanent position, the chairman, you know, now every three years we have to consider changing the chairman. So you, your term is for three years. Now that you — you gotta be up another term. Before that, there was no such thing as terms. It was just chairman forever. \n\nFerland:  Mhm \n\nChinn: So, I mean, so when Sherman was fired, I was the next in line for the chairmanship. I'd just been there for two years. Because right now, the department was down to Kimmel and myself. We were the two new people. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  And next thing I knew, they appointed Kimmel chairman. And he didn't, he didn't have — and he was — he just got his PhD. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  So that's the way they worked then. And now, you know, now the system is more normal. It's more like any other school. And that is a sign of how much we've changed. \n\nFerland:  That's good. Um, yeah. Is there anything else you'd like to add between — we covered a lot, so if there's anything you think needs more, any more clarity on or, not?\n\nChinn:  I think, all in all, I think Trinity was very fortunate in that, even with all his faults, Jim Laurie was really the best person to be president at that time. I mean, Trinity was just starting, starting out. And we needed somebody who was able to raise funds for the university and, you know, a strong hand for the university. And he was that. And he was that. So despite his faults, I knew his son very well. And his daughter. Laurie was the one of the two candidates to be the secretary of the national, what do you call it, the — oh, gee, I forgot the name, but I don't remember it. He was secretary of the Presbyterian Church. \n\nFerland:  Oh, wow. \n\nChinn:  National organization. And he lost out to somebody else. So that's when he became president of Trinity. Oh, mm-hmm. \n\nFerland:  Back then, was Trinity still associated with the Presbyterian Church? \n\nChinn: Yes, it was. \n\nFerland: Okay. How did that transition — \n\nChinn: It just slowly just, you know, cut off. I don't, I didn't really hear any announcement about that, but it just happened. But at that time we were still associated. Yeah.\n\nFerland: I think that — \n\nChinn:  You got everything? \n\nFerland:  That concludes the interview. Thank you so much, Dr. Chinn. \n\nChinn:  Okay. 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He talks about the early He talks about the important figures that came to Trinity to present on Asian topics and also about how faculty members from various fields came together to teach an interdisciplinary course on Asian studies. ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=2005.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/index/92265/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chinn: Talking about the Asian studies program, we didn’t really have a program. Well we had one on paper, but the people teaching those subjects never really got together to talk about joint programs. 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One of the things he’s most proud of is his impact on changing the tenure policy. He also reflected on certain aspects that Trinity should improve upon especially in focusing on gaining international students and diverse faculty. He also delves into his life and career after Trinity which included a stint at UTSA as an adjunct professor of philosophy. Dr. Chinn also reflects on President Laurie and his impact on Trinity.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=3375.0,4456.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/index/92265/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ferland: Sort of another question I had, as a question from the late 60’s to the early 2000's, what do you think are some of the biggest changes at Trinity?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=3375.0,4456.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/index/92265/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Liberal arts education","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Promotion and tenure","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Administrative policies","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Legacy","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Macalester College","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=3375.0,4456.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/index/92265/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Development of the EAST Program","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=2703.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/index/92265/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":" During this section of the interview Dr. Chinn largely mentioned the Confucianism in the West seminar and discussed the early collaboration that was important to the EAST program. He talked about the people that had an important role including Stephen Field as well as other faculty. He discussed how wide ranging the faculty that took part in the program. He also recounted the administrative aspects of the program such as cost. He also discussed another event known as the David Holl Memorial Conference. ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630#t=2703.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2913/collection_resources/140517/file/260630/index/92265/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ferland: Now just to get a little bit more on sort of the EAST Program and the actual program. 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