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This is an interview for the oral\nhistory project of the Trinity University women's intercollegiate athletics. My\nname is Betsy Gerhardt Pasley. I'm a graduate of 1977 and a former\nintercollegiate athlete myself. We also have R. Douglas Brackenridge. Dr.\nBrackenridge is Professor Emeritus, Department of Religion, from 1962 to 2002.\nAnd Shirley Rushing Poteet, who I hope we'll be able to hear soon, Shirley was\nthe Associate Professor of the Department of Physical Education from 1960 to\n1995 and also Department Chair from 1985 to 1995. We also have Abra Schnur, the\narchivist at the Trinity library, listening in and helping us record this\nconversation. So Carla, you're our interviewer (SP) today. Carla Brundage\nMorrison, is that correct? MORRISON: That is correct. PASLEY: Class of 1980?\nMORRISON: Yes, ma'am. PASLEY: Trap and skeet shooter on the co-ed trap and skeet\nteam, I guess from 1976 to 1980. Is that correct? MORRISON: Yes. PASLEY: I think\nI sent you some of these questions ahead of time, Carla. We may deviate if we\nget down a bunny trail that looks more interesting than the stat questions. I\nalways like to kind of start with where you are today. And then as we start\nworking our way back through your Trinity years, we can see how you ended up\ntoday. Do you mind giving us a quick overview of what you're up to today? Your\nprofession, family and stuff like that? MORRISON: I have four children. I've got\nthree girls and a boy. I'm a lawyer. I went to SMU (Southern Methodist\nUniversity) law school after I graduated from Trinity. Two of my daughters are\nlawyers. One is now in a graduate program. She had lived in the Middle East and\nnow is in a graduate program in London, actually at Oxford. And then my son is\nback here in San Antonio. So lots of kids, and I practice law, like I said. I'm\nin my 36th year. And the last 18 years have been representing children in child\nabuse cases. So that's what I do. PASLEY: Wow. By the way, I forgot to tell you,\nI was a sports writer right out of Trinity. I took a much more deviant path than\nyou did. But I'm used to interviewing people and typing, and so even though\nwe're going to store this interview and maybe have it transcribed, I'm doing my\nown transcription. So if I turn away, it's not that I'm not listening. I just\nwant to let you know that. So Carla, let's go back, then, to 1976, I think. Why\ndid you come to Trinity? And also did athletics of any way play a role?\nMORRISON: You know, they did not. I had played tennis competitively in high\nschool and then had a surgery that kind of took me out of tennis. And I had\naccepted--been an incoming freshman at TCU (Texas Christian University). And, in\na panic, at the last minute I really just decided I really did not want to go to\nTCU. My brother had gone to Trinity. We lived across the street from Trinity. My\ndad built the Olmos Tower.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nPASLEY: So your brother went to Trinity. How much older was he, Carla? MORRISON:\nNine years older. PASLEY: And your dad had built the towers? MORRISON: Olmos\nTower. So we lived across the street from Trinity and I used to walk over there\na lot. So I felt comfortable with the school because it was my next-door\nneighbor. And just in a last-minute panic, I applied to Trinity and went to\nTrinity. And it was totally--it was just out of nowhere, really. Honestly, my\nfirst semester there, I didn't intend to stay, and I took courses that--I didn't\nfigure a lot would go to the next school, would not be accepted by another\nschool I would go to. So I took some courses that were a little bit off the\nwall. Lke there was one arts class--I'm trying to think of what it was called.\nIt was some kind of movement class where we would pretend to be trees. I mean,\nit was really bizarre things. And the other bizarre thing I did was I took trap\nand skeet as a PE (Physical Education) course. And I'd never shot, and the rest\nis history, honestly. I took the course. Probably because of the tennis\nbackground, I had hand-eye coordination that helped a lot and I just took to it\nvery, very easily. Colonel Hanzel was the teacher. Of course, I was surrounded\nby all these wonderful trap and skeet shooters who really took me under their\nwings, especially John Shima. Initially, when I was doing well with the\nshooting, I started traveling to tournaments that the team was shooting at, but\nI was shooting independently to begin with, for the first maybe a semester. And\nthen it just grew from there. I ended up the female part of the five-man team.\nPASLEY: And I think there were other women. I don't know if you remember this,\nCarla. There were other women who preceded you, who shot for the team. Are you\nfamiliar with any of them? MORRISON: I really wasn't. One was Kathy (SP)--gosh,\nnow I'm blanking on her last name. I had never met her and she was killed in a\ncar accident on 410 near like Babcock, around there. Kathy (SP)--gosh, John\nwould know. PASLEY: I can check with him. I was just curious if you happened to\nknow some of the women who might have preceded you. MORRISON: I really did not.\nAnd I was there pretty much at the end of the Ricky Pope/Robert Paxton kind of\nera. PASLEY: That's true. You came in about midway, I think, or a little past\nmidway. MORRISON: Yeah. I remember them being at the Kentucky Bluegrass Shoot\nwhich was my first big win. And you know what? I just don't think they were\nstill shooting for Trinity. I think that they'd graduated and had become the\nCosmic Cowboys which is (INAUDIBLE). PASLEY: Right. Yeah we had a lot of\nTrinitonian coverage about that. That was very interesting how they split off.\nSo you'd never picked up a gun before that class? MORRISON: No, I was afraid of\nguns. So, there you go. PASLEY: This is a great serendipity story. by the way.\nMORRISON: It's unbelievable. And it ended up being such a huge part of my\nTrinity experience, really. I mean, huge. I was just at the right place at the\nright time surrounded by all these talented shooters and the most wonderful\ncoach on the planet. It was just a great experience. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: I'm\ngoing to pause every now and then because I tend to dominate and I need to make\nsure if Shirley or Doug has a question. POTEET: Tell us about Tom Hanzel.\nMORRISON: You know, I hope I don't start crying; I loved him. POTEET: I think I\nshare your opinion. MORRISON: Just I cannot say enough. I just can't say enough\nabout him. He was coach, he was dad, he was friend, he was a fan. He was the\nglue for all of us. In between classes, I have to tell you--all the shooters, in\nbetween our classes, we'd go to Colonel Hanzel's office. So we'd pile in there,\nand there may be seven or eight of us, jammed into his office. I mean, all the\ntime. We were always there. That's what we did in between classes is we went and\nhung out in Colonel's office in the HR (Human Resources) department. PASLEY: Do\nyou remember, Carla, what his office looked like? Was it cluttered? Did he have\na collection nearby? Was it wood paneled? Is there anything you remember about\nthat physical space? MORRISON: I remember it was across the hall from the\nfaculty like coffee lounge down in Northrup Hall. And you'd walk in and there\nwere a secretary to the left, a secretary in that main room, and then Colonel\nwas off--just kind of a short hall last office there on the end. And I know he\nhad like shelves on the wall behind him. I just remember we just were always in\nthere. I don't remember it being particularly cluttered. I always wondered if he\nreally ever got any work done because we were just always in there bothering\nhim. We were always in there talking skeet. We went to lunch with him, more days\nthan not. We would go to--he loved a Mexican restaurant at North Star Mall\ncalled--I think it was called La Fuente. And we went there all the time, all the\ntime with him. We'd have a big long table of all of us. PASLEY: (laughs) By the\nway, this is such an interesting analogy to Libby Johnson who coached pretty\nmuch all the other women's teams, softball and volleyball and basketball. And\nI'm recreating those stories, too, because everybody would show up in her office\nand solve all the world problems. And they'd also get taped up in her office\nbecause we didn't have a trainer. But that's so interesting. So, Carla, as a\nfemale, did you feel like you were a fish out of water? Were you treated\ndifferently? Did you feel a part of the team? MORRISON: Oh, I felt definitely a\npart of the team. We were just one family of the team. It was a very, very\ntight-knit group. I think the best compliment I ever got from anybody ever was\nfrom Robert Paxton. He said that I was the only female he knew that shot like a\nman. (laughs) So that was a huge compliment from Robert. PASLEY: That sounds so\nmuch like throwing like a girl or whatever. MORRISON: Yeah. But it was great.\nPASLEY: So, back to Shirley's question. Everybody loves Colonel Hanzel. It's\npretty obvious. Do you remember some stories about what he did or what he said\nthat gave you that feeling? MORRISON: Oh, golly. PASLEY: And if you're blanking\nout, we can come back at it. MORRISON: I really am blanking. We just all--he was\nso welcoming and so supportive. If there were ever issues with professors,\nColonel was the first one to take them to coffee across the hall. He'd say, \"No,\nI'm gonna go have coffee with\"--whoever it was. He was our support, he was our\ncheerleader. He was a dear, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wonderful man and we spent so much time\nwith him. I mean, John and I--I would go help him do yard work at his house. He\ndidn't like the way I even swept with a broom, so he taught me how to sweep with\na broom. He was just a wonderful person to be with.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Carla, I'll give you a little different perspective on Tom Hanzel.\nBecause there was a group of us that met right when the coffee shop opened every\nday. It was just a mixture of people ranging from very liberal in their thoughts\nto very conservative. And of course Tom was pretty much over on the conservative\nside of things, and we had a lot of banter. I got to know him very well. And he\nwas a very strong administrator. Because he had a job outside of doing the trap\nand skeet. But just one quick story was that he and I had a lot of fun. He\njabbed at me for being a Presbyterian minister, and I jabbed at him for what he\nwas doing. But he was very proud of his military service, very proud of his\nmilitary service, and he had been in in the Air Force and decorated flyer. And\nso one morning when I had the attention of the group, I said, \"Did you know that\nTom Hanzel is coming out with a new book? That he's written a book?\" And of\ncourse Tom looked at me like, \"What's he talking about?\" And I said, \"Yes.\" I\nsaid, \"He has this new book--\" And you have to--I don't know if you know the\nmovie Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo? Have you ever heard that movie? MORRISON: No, I\ndidn't. BRACKENRIDGE: It was about the Doolittle flyers who flew over and\ndropped bombs on Tokyo right at the beginning of the war. So I said, \"Tom Hanzel\nis coming out with this new book, Thirty Seconds Over Hondo.\" And he never let\nme forget that. But I just want a second what you were saying about somebody who\ntook an interest in people. And I'm glad to know that. My one question--I just\nwanted to verify what I had written was that in this trap and skeet, although it\nappeared like you had men's and women's teams, you didn't really have men's and\nwomen's teams, right? It was just the top shooters shot in the top group and the\nones that weren't as good shot in the second group? And so it could be a\nmixture. It could theoretically have been all women. MORRISON: Theoretically, it\ncould have been, but no. (laughs) BRACKENRIDGE: And that makes it a little\ndifferent from some other co-ed sports, to where you have a definite women's\nteam. But what I was informed was that if you were shooting with the A-team,\nthat your shots counted, but it also counted with the scores of other women who\nwere shooting and then therefore they kept separate statistics. That's correct?\nMORRISON: Well, if I shot like 100 straight in an event, I could win the open,\ntoo. So it wasn't men in one category and women in another category. There was a\nwomen's category, so if I won the Women's World Championship it was because I\nshot the best of all the women. But I could also--like, for example one time--I\nmean, this was great, for me--in Baton Rouge, I was in an open tournament there,\nand I got into a shoot-off in I think it was the 20-gauge, against, maybe, I\ndon't even know, five or six other people that also had perfect scores. And it\ncame down to Robert Paxton and I. And so then we started shooting doubles on\nevery station, which it's usually doubles on one two, six, and seven, but it was\ndoubles like at three, four, and five, also, which is different. Anyway, it's\nharder, and in a shoot-off, they can do that. And I ended up beating Robert, so\nI won the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"open title for that gauge in that shoot. So it was not like\nthat. Then I think they had like junior categories. So a junior could be\nclassified in the juniors but also win an open, win the open if they shot the\nbest. BRACKENRIDGE: Was there a limit of size to the teams? MORRISON: There's a\nfive-man squad. BRACKENRIDGE: But could the team have a lot more players than\nactually would get into every shoot? Like if you were traveling, some wouldn't\ntravel? Or did you not ever have that? MORRISON: We really kind of had the five.\nLike I said at the very beginning, when I first started shooting and Colonel got\nvery interested in me maybe shooting more, he asked me to ask my dad to buy me a\ngun. So I came home and asked my dad to buy me a gun. And I traveled--I remember\nit was a tournament and I think it was in Arizona, and that was the first time I\nshot in a tournament. It was like in Phoenix or Tucson. And I shot separately\nfrom the team but traveled with the team. But that didn't--it didn't usually\nreally happen that way. One person that would travel separately from the\nfive-man skeet shooters was Gaia Vedician (SP) who was our trap shooter. And so\nif it was a skeet and trap--it didn't happen very often, but maybe for like the\ncollegiate shoot, we'd have a trap team and a skeet team. But usually it was\nfive-man. PASLEY: And we're talking mainly skeet, right, Carla? MORRISON: Skeet.\nPASLEY: And so we use the term trap and skeet kind of like we do swimming and\ndiving, but in swimming and diving, 90% of the competition is happening in\nswimming. Or track and field. So trap and skeet is kind of an all-inclusive\nterm? Is that the right term? MORRISON: Well, trap and skeet, it was a trap and\nskeet team. But like if we went to like the NCAA (National Collegiate Athletic\nAssociation) collegiate tournament, we all shot skeet. We all shot trap. I used\nto always laugh and say I used to enter trap shoots to win money. (laughs). Trap\nand skeet are on the same field, but do y'all--do you all know the difference?\nThe skeet-- PASLEY: You're moving around, right? MORRISON: Well, yeah. Skeet has\ngot eight stations and it has two towers where the birds come across the field.\nTrap, when you look at the skeet field, you'll see just like a low box in the\nmiddle toward the front on the edge. Like where the skeet targets cross,\nunderneath that there might be a box. In trap, birds shoot out and go out from\nthat box. There were five different positions they could go out. They could go\nhigh, low, side. That's trap. And actually trap had five stations. Yeah, I think\nwe'd shoot five rounds from each station. PASLEY: They're both shooting sports.\nYou're using different gauge shotguns, I guess, right? MORRISON: In trap you use\na tighter choke is what it's called, because you want the shot to come out in a\ntighter choke and reach further. Because in trap, the targets were all shooting\naway from you, and in skeet, they're passing in front of you, so you have not as\ntight of a choke. A little bit longer barrel in trap. BRACKENRIDGE: Is it really\ndifficult then to master both of these skills? Or is it common for the shooters\nto do both? It would seem to me the way it's described that it does call for\ndifferent kinds of skills, doesn't it? MORRISON: They're different, and people\nwould usually prefer one over the other. But, I mean, I enjoyed trap. I did. I\nenjoyed trap. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"excelled at skeet, but I would go shoot trap. I'd\nshoot trap, too.\n\nPASLEY: Carla, I'll talk to you later about this, but if you'd be willing to\nlook over the section we put together--I kind of dug into some of the history of\nit, and what was interesting is how this was being used originally for training\nfor soldiers like in the Civil War and then World War I. And then when they\ncreated skeet to kind of add to the skill set, it was originally an\naround-the-clock. It was a complete circle. I think it was in Pennsylvania. And\nso these guys create skeet going around a complete circle. And then somebody\nputs a chicken farm next door and so they realize they can't be shooting into\nthe chicken farm, so they truncated it to just a half circle or a semi-circle.\nSo just fun-- BRACKENRIDGE: Never heard that. PASLEY: Yeah, so I'll share that\nwith you, and if it doesn't ring true, you'll let me know. MORRISON: On that\nnote, I have to just tell you, one time we shot--well, one time that I remember\nspecifically, it's actually the same tournament where I beat Robert in the\nshootoff, we were shooting at a gun club in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, near the\nprison and near the airport. So when the planes were coming in, we had to\nsuspend shooting. (laughs) PASLEY: Wow. MORRISON: Yeah. Isn't that funny?\nPASLEY: One other question, Carla, about the tournaments--because it is a\ndifferent animal and we're trying to understand it--is it sounds like most of\nthe tournaments you went to were open to all sorts of categories. They weren't\nonly intercollegiate. Is that a correct statement? MORRISON: Only once a year we\nwent to the intercollegiate. Once a year. PASLEY: So you were able to win these\noverall women's trophies and things like that in these open competitions that\nwasn't necessarily against other collegiate. And that's why Colonel could win\nhis own I guess master's titles and things like that at that same tournament?\nMORRISON: Yes. Intercollegiate was definitely a tiny part of it. Everything that\nwe did when we traveled, we were in open tournaments. Really once a year--like I\nthink we went to Peoria a couple of times with intercollegiate. I can't really\nremember. I think we went to Peoria a couple of times for that. But that was\nonly once a year. And that's the one where we would have to shoot trap and\nskeet. Everybody had to shoot everything. PASLEY: Oh, okay. Anybody else have a\nquestion while I'm typing this? Yeah, so this is definitely different. Y'all\nwere also I think, or at least the collegiate end of it, sounds like it was\nsponsored--in the other women's sports, Carla, we had a governing organization\ncalled AIAW (Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women) and then\neventually NCAA. For y'all, I think it was ACIU or AUCI. It was a college union\ngroup. Does the governance at all play any part or any memory of when y'all were\ncompeting? MORRISON: No, it doesn't. It doesn't for me. PASLEY: What about\nsupport from the university? Did you ever feel like it was lagging at any time\nor it was always what you expected? Or did you even think about it? MORRISON: I\ndid not. And this is probably not PC to say, but I did not feel that Calgaard\nwas very supportive. When we won, he wanted--I think this is really not good to\nsay, but when we won, he'd acknowledge it and want a picture with us, but he was\nnot supportive. And I 100% felt that way. POTEET: Fortunately, Tom Hanzel had\nsome support on the Board of Trustees. BRACKENRIDGE: Right. That's what I was\ngoing to say. POTEET: So he was not totally beholden to the administration to\nsupport the program. MORRISON: And I'm sure that he felt--I'm sure there was a\nlot of awkwardness on that. (laughs) PASLEY: Did you feel that where you were,\nCarla? How was it manifested that you knew this was an issue?\n\nMORRISON: I'm trying to think. I can't think of anything, specifically. I just\nhave--forever I knew that Calgard was not supportive of sports in  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ngeneral, and for sure not skeet shooting. POTEET: But that didn't deter Tom.\nMORRISON: Oh, no! No! He would just say, \"I'm gonna go have coffee\nwith\"--whoever it was. I just can't put my finger on anything specific, but that\nis my overriding memory. BRACKENRIDGE: Carla, this question is related. Your\nsport was a sport that was not visible on campus, right? MORRISON: Right.\nBRACKENRIDGE: And most of the students might not even know that we have a trap\nand skeet team. And in my research I found that that was the case, that Hanzel\nwas always trying to make the campus aware that we did have teams. But it's\ndifficult, when like other sports, the students can come out and watch it. They\ncan be together and they can see these people. But a team like yours, you're\nkind of invisible. And it was like the softball team that we had; they didn't\nhave a field. They never played any home games. So it was kind of one of the\nsports that really dropped off the radar, did not get a whole lot of coverage.\nMORRISON: I guess I was so involved in it that I don't see it that way, because\nwe--the team taught the PE class, and the classes maxed out every semester. I\nknow I would have maybe 10 people on the field, and all of us were out there.\nAll of us had to reload. There was a reloading room over by the swimming pool,\nkind of underneath the stairs. We all had to go reload shells for the skeet\nclasses. And people asked all the time about it and wanted to take the class,\nand it was packed every semester. So it's funny, I guess I never felt like--I\nmean, I felt like that was our identity on campus. I did not feel like nobody\nknew about us. But of course I was in the middle of it. PASLEY: Where were those\nclasses being held, Carla? On campus? MORRISON: No. It was at National Gun Club.\nWe would drive out (INAUDIBLE) National Gun Club. POTEET: Also, the Olmos Gun\nClub. MORRISON: We only taught--I used to practice at the gun club, San Antonio\nGun Club. But the classes absolutely were all at National Gun Club way out on FM\n(Farm to Market) 471. That was the headquarters, and I don't know if it still\nis, of the-- PASLEY: I think it is. MORRISON: Right. That's where we taught the\nclass was all the way out there. PASLEY: Okay, so when you talk about reloading\nfrom that thing under the swimming pool, that was just where y'all stored the\nammunition and the other stuff? MORRISON: There were reloading machines and so--\nPASLEY: Oh, for the shot. Sure. MORRISON: For the shot, the gun powder--the\nbb's, the shot, the wads (SP). And we would all have the students pick up the\nspent shells and we'd take our empty buckets back to campus with our spent\n12-gauge the holes (SP) and we would take those into the reloading room. And we\nwere all responsible for reloading however many hundred shells each week for the\nclass. PASLEY: I was not aware of that. MORRISON: It was fun. There was a bunch\nof reloaders down there, and we had to put in the time and go do that. PASLEY:\nAnd this was part of your team responsibility was teaching these classes. Were\ny'all paid?\n\nMORRISON: No, we were not paid. PASLEY: What a concept. (laughs) MORRISON: It\nwas fun. It was really fun. PASLEY: Apparently we had a rifle range at the\nbottom of the Sams Center in the basement. MORRISON: Really? (INAUDIBLE) PASLEY:\nYeah. I didn't either until I was researching this story, picking up on what\nDoug did. But obviously trap and skeet, when you've got shotguns, you need to be\nin an open-air area without--yeah. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I'm glad y'all didn't do this\non campus. This is so different I'll have to kind of re-look at some of my\nquestions here. Let me just ask this broader question, Carla. It sounded like\nyou were on a very welcoming team where gender really didn't make that big of a\ndifference as long as you were good at what you did. MORRISON: Right. PASLEY:\nYou were there after Title IX and kind of before the 1980s hit and we went a\nlittle bit backwards, at least in my narrative. Do you remember just in general\nthe perspective of the administration or professors or others being a woman\ncompeting in a sport, much less a male sport? No discrimination, no stories\nthat--? MORRISON: No. Everybody--all the professors seemed to know--I only had\none that--and it's funny, I spoke Spanish before English, but I had one Spanish\nprofessor that did not like all the travel. He didn't like us being gone. And we\nwere gone a lot. It was the only B I made in my last I think two years at\nTrinity was in Spanish. I mean, he didn't like us missing class. PASLEY: When\nyou were talking about going to Hanzel's office in Northrup Hall, it--and\nShirley, I'm curious what you think about this; this is just a thought that\npopped in my brain--is a lot of the issues were having the professors getting on\nboard with kids having to practice or do labs or travel to tournaments or\nwhatever. The women's athletes. And Shirley and Libby Johnson and others were\ndown there at the Sams Center gym, right? Your sponsor, your coach, was there\nwith the other professors, so he was building relationships with these people\nwho would accept or reject a lot of the travel you did. Shirley, do you think it\nmakes a difference, that Hanzel was able to be closer either proximity or\nrelationship-wise, to that team being accepted? POTEET: Absolutely. That was\nimportant. And also, he had the personality to do it. He could endear himself\nand therefore the team to anyone he spoke with. PASLEY: Okay. So y'all had a\ngreat sponsor. POTEET: Yeah. Incidentally, Carla, I took the class twice. While\nI was department chair, I took the class. Unfortunately, my results didn't\ncompare with yours. But I do recall many times speaking with Tom and his\ncompliments of you, you really should have been able to hear, because he really\nspoke so highly of you, and he was so proud of you. MORRISON: Uch, and I have to\ntell you that when things happened and we did well or we got acknowledged by\nwhatever--like one time I came into the office and I thought he was just gonna\npop. He was so excited that I was going to be in that little thing called Faces\nin the Crowd in Sports Illustrated. He was so excited. I thought it was cool\ntoo, but the best part of it was giving that to Colonel Hanzel, because he just\nwas so happy, and it made him so proud. And I think we all felt that way. We\njust wanted to do well, and it was just such a nice gift for us to be able to\ngive him, to do well for him. PASLEY: Boy, talk about a great expression of what\na coach should be, right, or a leader? MORRISON: Yeah. PASLEY: Do you remember\nwhat year that was, Carla? The Faces in the Crowd? Do you have that? MORRISON: I\ndo have it. I don't have it here. I have it in storage. I mean, I've got all\nthese articles. I think I told you that my dad was a serial framer. He framed\neverything. So I have all these things in storage, all the articles. And some of\nit came out in like Texas maybe Parks and Wildlife, and then there was the Faces\nin the Crowd. I'll tell you what was on the cover was McEnroe and it said\n\"McNificent\" where he's on the front. And that was the front of that. But I've\ngot it. I've got it in storage. PASLEY: If you ever ran across it and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ncould share that with us-- MORRISON: I told you what I found recently, right?\nPASLEY: Yes! It's adorable! (laughs). That is so cool. I'm sorry, Doug.\nMORRISON: I didn't even remember that we got these. I just ran across it\nrecently. PASLEY: I actually have a letter sweater from track and I wish now I'd\ngotten the blanket, because of course the sweater doesn't fit me anymore. Go\nahead, Doug. I'm sorry. BRACKENRIDGE: If you have any photos, we're pretty\nlimited. We're pretty limited. Most of the photos that we got, we had to scan\nout of the Mirage and they're not nearly as good. And particularly if you have\nsomething about you--you were one of the most prominent of the athletes--if you\nhad some photos of you as a student or any kind of photos of you shooting, just\none or two of those, if they could be scanned at a high resolution and sent to\nus, we'd really appreciate it. MORRISON: They're framed, so I'm not real sure--I\ndon't know if y'all have the ability to copy something that's in a frame. Dad--\nBRACKENRIDGE: I've scanned them. They'll scan. Sometimes--depends how they're\ndone. If they're really sealed up, you can't get them out, but sometimes you can\njust slip them out and scan them. MORRISON: Yeah, these were framed by Barry\nFraming on Broadway. They're pretty (clicking sound). BRACKENRIDGE: You could\ntry. And then my other comment, back to what we were talking about, was with my\nquestion about you not being as visible. That Tom Hanzel did a lot about seeing\nthat these things got into the newspapers. I think he was a really--that's\nanother one of his tasks. I think he did a good job of that. I think again my\npoint was that a sport like yours, though--the general population of the school,\nit wasn't as visible. I know I was very interested in sports and I was down at\nthe Sams Center all the time, racquetball and all the rest of it, and I was\nnever really much aware of trap and skeet, and I wouldn't have if I hadn't known\nTom Hanzel so well. MORRISON: (INAUDIBLE) BRACKENRIDGE: But your sport did get a\nlot of publicity in the Trinitonian and in the Mirage. You got a good bit of\npublicity. MORRISON: We were also there during Trinity--a lot of the tennis\nheyday. So they were the dominant headline. PASLEY: Tell me about it! (laughs)\nBut it's interesting because I was going back through all the research Doug did\nand revisiting--so Dave Pasley is my husband and he and I were co-sports editors\nin 1976-1977 and we had quite a few articles about you guys. It didn't hurt that\ny'all were bringing home these national championships and stuff like that. And\nof course the Paxton, the Cosmic Cowboy thing, there was some great controversy\naround that. So it was fun reading. And we weren't as bad a writer back then as\nI thought we were, but that's another conversation. I'm showing we have 10\nminutes. I want to ask one last more philosophical question, Carla, about what\nyou've learned, but I want to make sure Shirley or Doug, is there something\nwe've missed that you want to ask while we've got Carla here? BRACKENRIDGE: No.\nI was thinking I know the question you're going to ask, I hope, so go ahead and\nask it. PASLEY: What do you think you learned from participating on an\nintercollegiate team at Trinity and what life lessons or things that as you look\nback really helped you from that experience? MORRISON: Oh, gosh. It was so\nvaluable. I'd only played tennis--well, there's doubles in tennis, but it was a\nteam effort. Even though we were shooting as individuals, it was a team effort\nand it was a lot--it was just such a wonderful experience. One thing that\nColonel always, always, always told us was that every time we missed, we missed\nthat far, because it was all in our heads. It's all about the concentration.\nIt's all about your ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"focus and your concentration. So he'd say, \"Every\ntime you miss, it's that far.\" And that goes into so many other areas, because\nthere's--how you react to things around you all depends on what's in here. And\nit was just a real--I don't know if I'm coming across with that very well, but\nthe Colonel was very, very instructive on pulling from within and achieving what\nwe achieved because of how we dealt with what we were dealing with. I'm not\nsaying that very well. PASLEY: You were in control. You dealt with it mentally.\nYou can't blame another force outside. BRACKENRIDGE: Carla, if you could imagine\nthat you went to Trinity and you didn't participate in this, what--? MORRISON:\nWell, I wasn't going to stay. I wasn't going to stay at Trinity. So, I ended up\ngoing somewhere that I kind of didn't really want to go because it was across\nthe street from home, and I didn't spread my wings at all. I was disappointed in\nmyself for that reason. But golly, the experience. We traveled so much and I got\nso into skeet that my grade point average was like negative, basically. And\nabout two and a half years into Trinity, I thought, \"Uh oh.\" Because my grade\npoint was so bad. And I decided \"Wow, there's gonna be life after college, so I\nneed to also buckle down.\" And I ended up staying. I stayed at Trinity four and\na half years because I had to change. I changed my major and made straight A's\nin my last two years, except for that one B in Spanish because he (laughs)\njust--anyway. But what an experience. But I had to dig myself out of a big hole,\ntwo and a half years. PASLEY: What was your major? What'd you end up with,\nCarla? MORRISON: I ended up political science. I was business before that, until\nI got to Phoebe Judson in algebra. And I had to change my major. (laughs)\nPASLEY: Can you sum up kind of briefly though what--how long did you keep\nshooting? I think you mentioned you put your gun away at some point? MORRISON: I\ndid. I decided I was going to go to law school, and it was kind of like tennis.\nIt was almost like you close a chapter and a new chapter opens. And I left\nTrinity and I stopped shooting. I graduated in December of 1980, because I had\nto stay an extra half semester, and then I went to work. I got accepted into SMU\nlaw school but it wasn't to start until the Fall. And so in the interim, I went\nto work at the district attorney's office here, and worked in the hot check\nsection for eight months while I was waiting to go to law school. I'm sure dad\nknew the D.A. (District Attorney) and just got me this job as a kid. So I went\nto law school and completely devoted myself to it, and made really good grades.\nAnd when I was interviewing for jobs when I was going to leave law school, I\nactually asked the law firm that I was going to join if I could take time to\ntrain as a shooter again. And so we went kind of through that exercise. And\nthen, you know, it just never kind of happened. I became a lawyer and-- PASLEY:\nWell, four kids takes up a little bit of time, too, doesn't it? MORRISON: That's\nright. I stayed home for seven years after number three. PASLEY: I do have a\nquestion, and if this is too personal, let me know. I came from a broken home,\nand ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm sure I was probably looking for a father figure when I went\nto Trinity. Is it possible that--have you ever looked back on that and thought\nHanzel was able to kind of take the place--I think because your parents had\nsplit up, right? MORRISON: Well, they did not divorce until my first year of law\nschool. But a lot of tension, and other people involved. Now, my dad and I were\na team. PASLEY: I don't want to make something up that's not real. I just\nthought I'd ask. MORRISON: No, but you know, Colonel--there was a lot--there was\ntension at home between my parents, and Colonel was just open arms. He was just\nopen arms, all the time, on every subject, for anything--school, not school,\nshooting, not shooting. Just really no drama. He was just there with open arms\nand no drama. PASLEY: There's something to be said for that, isn't there? By the\nway, the one thing I picked up in looking at his obituary--and I think this is\nwhen I finally reconnected with you and realized that you were Carla\nMorrison--was you were the only female. Well, first of all, six of the eight\npallbearers were members of the team. The other two were relatives or grandkids,\nright? And you were the only female pallbearer at his service. I think that says\na lot. MORRISON: I loved him, loved him, loved him, loved him. BRACKENRIDGE: And\nCarla, did you ever follow the subsequent history of trap and skeet at Trinity?\nMORRISON: No, not a lot. No, I didn't. I really didn't. I became a lawyer and I\njust kind of got into that so much that I didn't--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, it ended up as a club sport. They just simply couldn't get\nenough people to sign up for it. And I think that there's always a generational\nchange. Maybe Shirley can speak to this. All I know is what I read and that they\nhad a hard time even fielding a team. So they just said there wasn't as much\ninterest in it. I'm talking about 1990s, down to the beginning of the 20th\ncentury. That's when it changed. MORRISON: I don't know a lot from the\nperspective of the school, but I do know--like John Shima was a big member of\nthe skeet shooting team, and he lives in San Antonio now, and that's what he\ndoes for a living, is teach skeet. I know he approached the school, years ago,\nyears ago, about being the coach. And he's very very well known, big teacher.\nAnd they rejected it. And I could not understand. I mean, he couldn't understand\nit. I couldn't understand it, for sure. Because what a valuable resource. He's\nsuch a great teacher. I kind of blamed a lot of that on--I don't know if\nCalgaard was still there or not, but the administration was not supportive of\nsports. POTEET: Well, I think Tom Hanzel, besides being the coach, the father\nfigure, and everything else, was also a great promoter. And once he was gone--I\ncan remember John Shima. It seems to me that he taught some classes after that,\nbut I think the heart and soul of the team was gone, and that was Tom. And since\nit was not high on the priority list of the administration, it really took\nsomebody who could talk to the Board of Trustees, actually go over the\nadministration and try to promote it. And once we lost that with Tom, I think\nthat was gone. PASLEY: And really the mid-1980s, Calgaard was still--they were\nstarting to buy up properties and think about what we're going to\ndo--future--and go to Division III. So we were still on the retreat in the mid\n1980s when Tom left, when the Colonel left. I think to Shirley's point, there\nwasn't somebody there to kind of keep breathing life into it. We've had a couple\nof other short-term--well, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/transcript/30503/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"like we had gymnastics in the 1970s, and\nit was reliant on one person, or their coaches. So it seems like there were a\nfew sports like that, where they really needed a cheerleader, and without that,\nit just kind of whittled away. I don't know. It's interesting to look back.\nBRACKENRIDGE: And don't you think Calgaard was wed to the NCAA? That\nbecame--that's where their sports were, and that the NCAA supported the teams.\nPASLEY: They paid for them. They paid for people to go to their tournaments.\nThat helped. The other thing that started to die about the same time was\nbowling. But that was mainly because of the facility in the Sams Center. But\nsimilar, it wasn't an NCAA sport. We had to pay our own way. NCAAs, they would\npay for the women and the men to go to these championships. So that alone was I\nthink a monetary decision. It's really interesting to see how these things\nplayed out. We've just gone over our promised time, and depending on what email\nyou read, we're just getting ready to start (laughs). It's just two o'clock.\nCarla, we'll go ahead and wrap this up. Abra will stop the recording. And then I\njust had a couple other quick things I wanted to add. 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This is an interview for the oral history project of the Trinity University women's intercollegiate athletics.  My name is Betsy Gerhardt Pasley.  I'm a graduate of 1977 and a former intercollegiate athlete myself.  ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=0.0,194.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Decision to come to Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=194.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carla Morris details how she came to the decision to come to Trinity. She talks about how her brother went to Trinity and what all went into that.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=194.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: So Carla, let's go back, then, to 1976, I think.  Why did you come to Trinity?  And also did athletics of any way play a role?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=194.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"brother","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}},{"type":"TextualBody","value":"family","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Keywords"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=194.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morrison's Start in Trap and Skeet","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=372.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Carla Morris details how she got into Trap and Skeet. This comes even though she had never shot before taking the \"bizarre\" class at Trinity.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=372.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MORRISON: Like there was one arts class—I’m trying to think of what it was called.  It was some kind of movement class where we would pretend to be trees.  I mean, it was really bizarre things.  And the other bizarre thing I did was I took trap and skeet as a PE (Physical Education) course.  ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=372.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colonel Thomas Hanzel","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=613.0,1075.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morris Emotionally talks about her experience with Coach Hanzel. She outlines how great their relationship was.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=613.0,1075.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"POTEET: Tell us about Thomas Hanzel\n\nMORRISON: I hope I do not start Crying. I LOVED him. I just cannot say enough about him.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=613.0,1075.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dynamics of Trap and Skeet at Trinity ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1075.0,1706.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morrison describes how the Trinity team worked and the rules of Trap and Skeet. 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It was just the top shooters that shot in the top group and the worse shooters shot in the bottom team.\n\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1075.0,1706.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Support from various groups on Trinity's campus towards Trap and Skeet","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1706.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morris describes how the team was supported. 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Did you ever feel like it was lagging at anytime?\n\nMORRISON: I did not, and this is probably not PC to stay, but I did not feel like Calgaard was very supportive. \n\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=1706.0,2639.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lessons Learned from Trap and Skeet","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044#t=2639.0,2889.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/45975/file/119044/index/48399/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Morrison outlines her experience with Trap and Skeet. 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