{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/pg1hh6cx12/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Interview with Christy Jayne Curtis"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/173/original/Logo_CL_ColorReversed.png?1773939905","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Preferred Citation"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eInterview with Chrisy Jayne Curtis. Trinity University Women's Intercollegiate Athletics Project, UA-OH001-026. Special Collections and Archives, Coates Library, Trinity University (San Antonio, Tex.).\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["Trinity University Special Collections and Archives"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe materials in this collection may be protected by copyright law (Title 17, U.S. Code). The materials are available for personal, educational, and scholarly use. It is the responsibility of the researcher to locate and obtain permission from the copyright owner or his or her heirs for any other use, such as reproduction and publication.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eThis interview is open for research. Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Trinity University Special Collections and Archives\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Participants"]},"value":{"en":["Christy Curtis (Interviewee)","Betsy Gerhardt Pasley (Interviewer)","R. Douglas Brackenridge (Interviewer)","Shirley Rushing Poteet (Interviewer)","Sharp Copy Transcription (Transcriber)","Index - Trinity University History of Sport (SPMT 3314) class (Writer of accompanying material)","archives@trinity.edu (Metadata contact)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2021-02-02 (Created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["video"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["OH001-26 (cms record id)","UA-OH001 (collection call number)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["Trinity University Women's Athletics Oral History Project (is part of)"]}}],"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe materials in this collection may be protected by copyright law (Title 17, U.S. Code). The materials are available for personal, educational, and scholarly use. It is the responsibility of the researcher to locate and obtain permission from the copyright owner or his or her heirs for any other use, such as reproduction and publication.\u003c/p\u003e","\u003cp\u003eThis interview is open for research. Interviews may only be reproduced with permission from Trinity University Special Collections and Archives\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Trinity University Special Collections and Archives"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Trinity University Special Collections and Archives"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/173/original/Logo_CL_ColorReversed.png?1773939905","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/119/767/small/data?1626794367","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - Interview with Christy Curtis - Trinity University Women's Athletics Oral History Project"]},"duration":3313.0,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/119/767/small/data?1626794367","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cX6yC1ZWRE","type":"Video","format":"video/youtube","duration":3313.0,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Christy_Jayne_Curtis.xml [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: Today is February 2nd, 2021. It's Tuesday. It's Groundhog's Day. This is\nan interview for the oral history project of Trinity University women's\nintercollegiate athletics. My name is Betsy Gerhardt Pasley. I was a Trinity\ngraduate in 1977 and also an intercollegiate athlete myself. I ran track and\nplayed softball. I hate swimming, by the way, so there you go. We also have Dr.\nDouglas Brackenridge, Professor Emeritus, Department of Religion, from 1962 to\n2002. And, Chrissy, I think that's the year you graduated, isn't it?\n\nCURTIS: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: And Shirley Rushing Poteet, who was Associate Professor in the\nDepartment of Physical Education from 1960 to 1995 and Department Chair from\n1985 to 1995. And our interviewee today is Christy Jayne Curtis, Class of 2002,\nand I believe you were on the swimming and diving team from 1998 to 2002. Is\nthat correct?\n\nCURTIS: Yes, ma'am.\n\nPASLEY: Let me go ahead and just jump in. First, before we get into a\nchronological question format, Christy, I always like to kind of know what are\nyou doing today. And then we're going to jump back to the late 1990s. So what's\ngoing on today with you?\n\nCURTIS: Oh! Well, I live in Ocean Springs, Mississippi. I have three young\nchildren. I'm married to a guy who is in the active duty Air Force and works at\nthe hospital at the base here. We just moved here from England, in August, I\nguess. I am a pediatric psychologist by trade, but I have been teaching\npsychology for about the past ten years at the university level.\n\nPASLEY: And where are you teaching today?CURTIS: University of Maryland.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, okay. So everything's online, I guess, right?\n\nCURTIS: Yes. Yes.\n\nPASLEY: Where did you get your degrees after Trinity?\n\nCURTIS: From University of Mississippi, ironically.\n\nPASLEY: Now, are you from Mississippi?\n\nCURTIS: No, I'm from St. Louis, Missouri.\n\nPASLEY: That's right. How old are your kids, by the way?\n\nCURTIS: Ten, seven and a half, and five and a half.\n\nPASLEY: Wow. Abra's probably thinking, \"I'm glad I stopped at one.\" But anyway.\nAnd also you were able to Brexit before Brexit-Brexit. Leave London before\nBrexit, right?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Let me go ahead, then, and kind of go backwards. The first question we\nalways like to ask, because to me it's always interesting to see how this\nhappened--what brought you to Trinity? And also, did sports have anything to do\nwith it?\n\nCURTIS: Swimming brought me to Trinity, and sports had everything to do with it,\nactually. I, my freshman year in high school, received a recruiting letter from\nCoach John Ryan and just kind of kept it in the back of my head. It probably is\nmy room somewhere. And then when I started to look at schools to swim, that was\none of the places that I looked. San Antonio sounded nice, and it's a good school.\n\nPOTEET: And where did you live then, Christy?\n\nCURTIS: In St. Louis.\n\nPASLEY: One of the interesting things about the earlier stories, parents played\na role, it seems. Did your parents play a role? Did you feel like this was a\ndecision you made on your own?\n\nCURTIS: I think I made it on my own. I came from a strong club swim team in St.\nLouis and most people went on to swim for a university. So I knew probably from\nseventh or eighth grade on that that was something I wanted to do. They were\nvery supportive. Honestly they didn't really push me either way. My father was\non the board of one of the Missouri state schools at the time, and I didn't even\napply there. They really didn't push either way, in any way, into these schools.\n\nPASLEY: Did you have an opportunity for an athletic scholarship anywhere?\n\nCURTIS: I don't even remember. I can remember the last two schools it came down\nto were both Division III, so I would say no. I picked more for school and then\nswimming, but I knew I wanted to swim, if that makes sense.\n\nPOTEET: What ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"attracted you to Trinity other than swimming, Christy?\n\nCURTIS: That's a really good question. I applied because I liked the idea of\nmoving away from the winters in St. Louis. And I don't think I knew anyone who\nhad gone to school in San Antonio or even maybe Texas. But when I came to visit\nin the fall of my senior year in high school, it was pouring down rain the\nentire time I was there, and I absolutely hated it. I couldn't even tell you how\nI ended up--why I picked it, but I'm so glad I did.\n\nPASLEY: That's the reverse of what it usually is--that people come to that\ngorgeous campus, and kind of just fall in love with it. By the way, that was my\nhusband's story. He came after his freshman year at a school in Kansas. He's\nfrom Missouri. And he was there on a rainy day. So anyway, that worked out.\n\nCURTIS: Another guy on the team who was my year as well, he came the same\nweekend, and he--like he doesn't know why he ended up there either. He even\nrefused to go stay on campus because it was just so gross and awful, and he\nstayed with his mom in the hotel the whole weekend. And then he ended up at\nTrinity, too!\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: My question would be, it would be raining outside, but did it\nimpress you with the facilities inside that they had, about the Bell Center and\nthe pool? Was is that an attraction to you?\n\nCURTIS: I would say yes. It's a great facility. And the teammates were just--the\npeople there were so welcoming. So even though it was pouring down rain, I had a\ngreat weekend with people inside. And then, yeah, the Bell Center's just gorgeous.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, and you were there when it wasn't that old, so that makes sense.\nNow, if Ryan sent you that recruiting letter, did you talk to him after you got\nthe letter, when you started getting serious?\n\nCURTIS: I think not until I was a senior. And it's funny, my mom brought this up\nrecently, but he I think sent out packets to--I don't know how many recruiting\nletters he sends out a year; probably hundreds, I mean, who knows--but he sent\none to my address but had somebody else's name on the inside. Who knows what\nhappened to mine. But it was kind of funny and sort of made him stand out. And I\nmean, he's kind of a goofy guy anyway, and it just sort of fit in with his personality.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. I didn't know him until I met him in person a few weeks ago. And\nyeah, he's quite the guy, but boy, is he passionate about this sport.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah.\n\nPASLEY: It's really amazing. In fact, let me go ahead if you don't mind and ask\nyou some questions about Coach Ryan. What do you remember about him, as a coach\nand also as a person?\n\nCURTIS: Okay. He's honestly a very unique coach. As far as swimming, most swim\nprograms you swim twice a day, five or six days a week. And we all always only\nhad one practice a day. He just felt like that was the better way for college\nstudents to do it. He's very passionate about his swimmers and making sure they\ndo well or just being the best person they can be, honestly.\n\nPASLEY: And it's interesting you say that, because he also is involved, I think,\nin a lot of other swimming programs for youth. And so it sounds like he's\nadapting his coaching style.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, I would say. I mean, he coaches--I'm not even sure what--I know he\nstepped back as head coach from Trinity a couple years ago, but he's been\ninvolved in the Sonterra summer league team for years and years and years, and\nthen runs a winter clinic based on that, and then was doing Trinity. And just\nloves it, honestly.\n\nPASLEY: Was there something you remember that he did that really improved you as\na swimmer? Your own skills?\n\nCURTIS: That's a good question. We did way more racing in practice than I'd ever\ndone before, so where we'd have to just do short interval training, but it was\njust racing, racing, racing. And I think in high school, there was much more\ntime just spent trying to see how many laps you could swim. And he really\nfocused on, \"We're here to race and we're here to win, so we're going to work on\nthat in practice.\"\n\nPASLEY: Also, it seems like when you and I talked on the phone briefly, wasn't\nthere some kind of connection between his kids?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, so I coached with him at Sonterra I think in the summer of 2003,\nmaybe? And his daughter Elizabeth was maybe six at the time, and so she was\nmy ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"group, that I coached. It was basically like the learn-to-swim\nage. So I coached her then. And then many years later, we moved back and my kids\nstarted swimming at Sonterra and she taught my two older kids how to swim. So,\nit all comes full circle.\n\nPASLEY: That's pretty cool. Are your kids swimmers now?\n\nCURTIS: Yes. They are. They haven't been since we moved to Mississippi. Just\nCOVID has really thrown a wrench in swimming, in general.\n\nPASLEY: What do you do with them when we can't get them in a pool or outside?\n\nCURTIS: Well, my daughter plays soccer mainly every minute she's alive. And then\nmy little boys like to do you whatever season is happening. So they're doing\nbasketball right now, but baseball actually starts tonight, too.\n\nPASLEY: Shirley or Doug, anything else while I'm working down my list here?\n\nPOTEET: What was your major, Christy?\n\nCURTIS: Psychology.\n\nPASLEY: How did you end up going to Mississippi to get your--now was that your\ndoctorate there?\n\nCURTIS: Yes. So you get a non-terminal master's in a clinical psychology\ndoctoral program, and I think--I mean, this was like back when you had to buy\nthe enormous book of all the graduate schools in the country, as opposed to just\nbeing able to look on the Internet. And the clinical psych programs are fairly\ndifficult to get into, so I think I just applied to as many as I could that I\nthought would fit, and Mississippi was the one that was.\n\nPOTEET: So, how did you like Ole Miss?\n\nCURTIS: I liked it. I had a totally different experience, though, from the\ntypical undergrad. I wasn't there for the sororities and the parties. I really\nliked it. I loved Oxford in the summer when most of the students were gone. It's\na great place. Now, we don't live very far from it but we haven't been back yet.\n\nPOTEET: I'm originally from Mississippi.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, really?\n\nPOTEET: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: When you hear Shirley talk a little bit more than a sentence or two, it\nbecomes pretty obvious, even years later, 50 years later. So you were not taking\nbasket weaving while you were at Trinity, obviously. You were in a pretty\nrigorous science program. What do you remember about balancing Ryan's\nexpectations for practice and the trips you had to take, versus your studies?\n\nCURTIS: Well, you had to treat school and swimming as a job. I was there to\nswim, and I was there to go to school, and I had to get all of those things\ndone. So you couldn't skip practice because you hadn't studied for a test. You\nhad to do everything you had to do so that you could fit swimming in.\n\nPASLEY: So, were there times when you felt like you had to lean on professors,\nor did Coach Ryan have to step in and help out sometimes? Or did you always feel\nlike you were able to maintain that?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, well. I mean, there were some times, because we would miss school\nfor meets occasionally. And I can remember one time in particular with one\nprofessor who had this very strict attendance policy, and then she just wasn't\nvery friendly, to put it mildly, in general. And she didn't really care if you\nwere sick or if you had to miss for your sport or whatever, even though you\ncould get a letter from the athletic department saying, \"This is a student\nathlete who has to be gone.\" So I do remember going to class one time with the\nflu because I knew I was already gonna miss two days for swimming, so I didn't\neven want to get in an argument with her over whether my third day is because I\nwas sick or not.\n\nPASLEY: But Ryan never had to step in or be any kind of an in-between for you?\n\nCURTIS: No, not for me, at least. POTEET: That was called life lessons.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. Well, in fact, just as a teaser, before we hang up from you,\nChristy, we do want to get your thoughts looking back on what some of those\nlessons are that you learned while you were a student athlete at Trinity.\nBecause we're getting some wonderful stories. But not yet; I want to hear a\nlittle bit more. Remind me, were there some memorable trips that you guys took?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, gosh. We went to do Christmas training one year in south Florida,\nwhich was great. We went to Mexico a couple of times for swim meets, which was\nfascinating. Then ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of my favorite ones was my junior year, we took\na relay team to nationals and it was in Buffalo, New York, so we got to go see\nNiagara Falls and do some stuff up here.\n\nPASLEY: You said Mexico was fascinating. Can you tell me more?\n\nCURTIS: Well, I think we talked about this the first time we talked, but one of\nthe things that they did is they don't do their starts the same way that we do.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, please tell that story, because I thought this was fascinating.\n\nCURTIS: So, the very first heat of the meet, I think it was the men's something,\nI don't know, they get up on the block. And typically, in swimming they blow a\nwhistle, you get on the block, they say, \"Swimmers, take your mark,\" you go down\nand hold, and then they--they don't shoot a gun anymore; they have a buzzer. And\nso that's what we were used to. Well, in Mexico, I guess they blew the whistle,\nbut then instead of saying, \"Take your mark\" and waiting for everyone to set,\nthey just said \"Marca\" and did the buzzer almost in the exact same second. And\nall of the Mexican swimmers dove off the block and all of our swimmers were\nstill standing there confused as to what had happened. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: That's pretty good. So y'all figured that out pretty quickly, I'm assuming.\n\nCURTIS: Yes. I think they actually let that heat reset and did it again.\n\nPASLEY: This might be a tougher question, but were you there when Alex Row drowned?\n\nCURTIS: I was, yes. That was my freshman year.\n\nPASLEY: What can you share about that experience, or the effect on the team?\n\nCURTIS: I mean, it was terrible.\n\nPASLEY: And if you don't mind reminding Shirley and Doug and Abra about this\nstory, if you remember it?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. So it was my freshman year, so it would have been December of\n1998. And it was after finals were over, but I don't think students had to go\nhome yet. Or maybe it was during finals; I don't know. It was sort of laid back.\nOther than finals, life was laid-back. And three swimmers and Alex were in the\npool swimming. And the way that Trinity at the Bell Center is set up is you have\nlike your lap competition pool, and then there's a bulkhead, and then there's a\ndiving well with the boards. And Alex and another swimmer were swimming laps,\nand I guess from what I remember is he said he was going to swim underwater\nwithout taking a breath for some amount of time. I don't remember how much it\nwas. And the girl was with him. And then he finished swimming, and he was still\nunderwater, and she kind of nudged him with her foot, just to make sure he was\nokay. And he moved, but we think now he was just reflexing. And so she got up\nand went into the bulkhead. And then sometime later, they realized he never came\nover. And those three went over and tried to pull him out of the water, and it\nwas terrible.\n\nPASLEY: So, you weren't there?\n\nCURTIS: No, I'd already gone home. But one of my very good friends was the\none--actually, the guy who came to visit the same weekend I did who stayed with\nhis mom in the hotel, he was there.\n\nPASLEY: Now, as I understand it, Coach Ryan--maybe it was Coach Ryan--there were\nquite a few really touching memories in the Trinitonian and Mirage. Which, by\nthe way, these are all online, so if you ever want to go down memory lane, you\ncan get to any of these newspapers. But it sounded like Ryan gave you guys a\nchance--or I guess the question is, how did it affect the team? And did it ever\noccur to y'all to not hold that season or have that season?\n\nCURTIS: I don't know that that was ever a thought. I don't remember that ever\nbeing a thought. But we definitely tried to pay tribute to Alex in like our\nt-shirts we made for the end of the season and some of the other things that we\ndid. It's interesting, because Alex was from San Antonio.\n\nPASLEY: Churchill, I think.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. So we were actually able to see his family probably more so than\nwe would--and I flew back to San Antonio for his funeral, which I think was in\nbetween like Christmas and New Year's, right around that time. I don't know, but\nI know I flew back for it. And then the next year--anniversary is the wrong\nword--but we went and did sort of a little--paid a little tribute to him that\nyear as well.\n\nPASLEY: Doug and Shirley wouldn't have seen this yet, but one of the pictures\nthat John Ryan shared with me, and then I shared with you, Christy-- ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nyou pointed out--I think that y'all had I think an AC written on your arm?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. AR for Alex.\n\nPASLEY: I'm sorry, Alex Row, AR. So when y'all--I think you won--I don't know if\nit was conference that year--but anyway, y'all--this winning relay team and you\nhave AR on your arm, and we can see that in that picture, which to me makes that\npicture really special. Can you talk about the conference competition? I think\nyou guys just started in conference--would that be right?--in the SCAC (Southern\nCollegiate Athletic Conference), about the time you showed up?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. I think my freshman year was the first year.\n\nPASLEY: I think it was, in 1998. Yeah. What does conference mean? Is that a good\nthing or does it matter?\n\nCURTIS: Oh yeah, it's a huge thing. Because most swimmers at Trinity don't\ncompete after the conference meet. So there's just very, very few who go to the\nnationals. So this is like the big thing, the big deal.\n\nPASLEY: Do you feel like it was competitive for you guys?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah. Definitely it's rivals as well, between people and teams. As a\nfreshman, you just get there and say, \"Okay, well yeah, obviously I don't like\nthat school because someone else told me not to.\" (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: I just have to share this quick story. One of our former tennis players\nand also tennis coach for 14 years was telling me a story about how she would\ntry to--she was saying that it was different coaching men than women. And I'm\nsure Shirley and Doug have heard this story. But she said if she was coaching\nmen, she would just tell the men that the coach on the other side was a jerk,\nand the guys would go out and try to beat their opponent, right? But then she'd\ntell the women that, and they'd want to know why was he a jerk. And so it was\njust a different way of coaching, I guess. And you're a psychologist so I don't\nknow if you have anything to shed on that. (laughs)\n\nCURTIS: Oh, gosh. I mean, having a 10-year-old girl now who's in her head over\nsoccer, I wish I had some sort of knowledge to give to you, but I don't. I'm\njust constantly just like--because she'll go out and tell herself, \"I can't do\nit\" because that helps her go do it. And I said, \"Why would you say that?\"\n(laughs). She goes, \"Because then I know I can.\" But one of my biggest rivals\nthe entire four years I was at Trinity is a girl from University of the South,\nand she's one of my dearest friends. And we actually ended up at Ole Miss\ntogether, ironically enough.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, wow. Was she studying the same area?\n\nCURTIS: Her husband was in law school. She was basically there because he was\nthere. But she did a master's in Southern Studies or something along those\nlines. But we both were swimming--there's a club team in Oxford, and we both\nwere swimming on separate days from each other, and somebody mentioned the other\nperson at one point and we thought, \"Oh! Could this be the same person?\" And it was.\n\nPASLEY: Have you thought about why it is--and I think this is probably true of\nmen, too--but you give it your all going up against somebody, and you tend to\nbuild rivals, but why is it that that women can step off the field and then\nbecome best friends?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. She and I battled for four\nyears straight. I mean, it helps that she's just nice. I think it probably\nwouldn't work with everybody. (laughs)\n\nPASLEY: Did you always win or did she win?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, no. I know my senior year, she beat me by eight one hundredths of a\nsecond in the one event we swam together.\n\nPASLEY: And what were your events, Christy?\n\nCURTIS: I swam IM and breaststroke.\n\nPASLEY: When did you start swimming as a kid?\n\nCURTIS: I started in a summer league when I was five, and then I started\nyear-round when I was eight.\n\nPASLEY: So, here's my question now that you have at least one child and maybe\nmore. Is a single-sport focus a good thing, or would you prefer they try\ndifferent things, or do you even have an opinion?\n\nCURTIS: I prefer they try different things. But with swimming, I think it's\nhard. Until maybe fifth or sixth grade, I wasn't swimming more than three days a\nweek. I know sixth grade, I started swimming a lot.\n\nPASLEY: But it wasn't something you felt like somebody pushed you into?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, no. And it's funny, I always joke that my parents had no idea what\nthey were getting into by putting me in competitive swimming, just as far as the\nschedule. But I know, and if my kids don't really want to do it, they don't have\nto. (laughs)  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\nPASLEY: A lot of early mornings, right?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. Just a lot of time in the pool.\n\nPASLEY: Another reason I was a runner, I think. Shirley or Doug, I'm going to\ndive in, in a minute, on some of these lesson questions. But what else, while\nwe've got her?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I'd like to just follow up on what you were saying earlier about\ncoaching men and women. A coach like Ryan, the men and the women are swimming\nright at the same time, right?\n\nCURTIS: Right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Is there any difference in the way he would either help or\ndiscipline or challenge the men versus the women? Or was that nothing that was\nreally noticeable?\n\nCURTIS: I would say no. I will say one of the best things he did for me was he\nlet me train with the boys. So I swam in a lane with three or four boys, which I\nthink really pushed me to be a better swimmer. I wouldn't say men versus women.\nHe definitely treated the distance swimmers different than the sprinters. The\nsprinters never want to do anything like over a small amount, and then the\ndistance swimmers have to just swim and swim and swim and swim. And of course\nthen you have the rest of us who are just kind of laughing at both sides of it,\nbecause you know, the sprinters get to sit in the hot tub when we're tapering\nfor a meet, and the distant swimmers have to swim extra practices.\n\nPASLEY: This happens in track, I think.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. (laughs)\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: And maybe this will come up later, but in these sports, this was\nDivision III, right?\n\nCURTIS: Right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: The sport. And how important was it to--I know it's always\nimportant to win, but was there a benefit or out of that experience, whether you\nwon or lost, as to what you were doing?\n\nCURTIS: Well, everyone wants to come home from their meet and say they won. I\ncan't say that--if you really love your sport, it doesn't really matter what\nlevel you're competing in. It feels good to do well and to win.\n\nPOTEET: Christy, tell us about your friends at Trinity. Were you friends with\nswimmers or other people or did it make any difference?\n\nCURTIS: I would say most of my friends, my very good friends, are swimmers.\nOutside of that, a lot of them were some other type of student athlete. And then\nI had a few that weren't an athlete at all. But most of my very good friends\nwere swimmers.\n\nPASLEY: Were you involved in like any of the local sororities or any of the\nstudent council or any kinds of things?\n\nCURTIS: I was not in a sorority. I feel like swimming kind of took care of that.\nI did do student council my freshman year, I think. I was like a dorm\nrepresentative, so I don't know what that would be. I can't even remember. I was\nactually trying to tell my daughter that today, and I couldn't remember what the\ntitle was. But I was the dorm representative. And other than that, no, I wasn't\nan RA (Resident Assistant) or anything like that.\n\nPASLEY: I mean, this kept you busy, between your studies and your swimming. It's\nnot a lot of extra time.\n\nCURTIS: No. And there was like an athletic board or something that I was on one\nyear too, but now I can't really remember. Gosh, you'd think it'd been 20 years.\nYeah, I can't remember. There was something I did related to that, too, but that\nwas all athletically related.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I had one other thing, because I'm looking at what research I did\non this, and what caught my eye. And there was one episode which I think would\nbe when you were there that--I think it's the beginning of the 1999-2000 season,\nso you would have been there for that--and it said team majors (SP) engaged in\ntraditional bonding activities to welcome eight year-year additions. And that\nduring the season the team ate together and helped one another celebrate\nbirthdays. They painted their own banners for the natatorium and made their own\nt-shirts. Women ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"swimmers continued the practice of having secret\nswimmers, making each one signs and giving small gifts, fun gifts. Does that--?\nAnd then it says near the end of the season the secret is revealed and the women\nexchanged larger gifts. Do you remember any of that?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah. So, leading up to our conference meet, you have a secret\nswimmer and you're in charge of doing fun things to get them excited about the\nmeet. So you decorate their locker, their swim team, or make like a mix CD or\ntape, which I guess you don't have to do that now, these days. And other little\nfun things like that. And that's a fun tradition.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Did the men do the same thing?\n\nCURTIS: Did the men? That is a good question. I don't remember them doing that,\nbut it's possible. I don't think so.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, again, not trying to accentuate this, but there does seem to\nbe a difference, and I notice it in other sports, where there was a different\nkind of bonding, in a way, with the women, than with the men. And that there was\na sense that even whether you were winning or losing, that there was something\nreally worthwhile coming out of this relationship, personal relationships and\nbonding together for a common cause. I noticed that in in other sports as well.\n\nCURTIS: Definitely. I mean, swimming in college was one of the best things I've\never done. If they'd have let me do it another four years, I would have.\n\nPOTEET: Wow.\n\nPASLEY: Are you still swimming?\n\nCURTIS: I was. Again, COVID has kind of ruined that. I've been running a lot\nbecause of the pool situation. But I'd like to get back into it at some point.\n\nPASLEY: You mentioned the Bell Center, which it sounds like--I'm not a swimmer\nso I don't know, walking into a natatorium, if that's a good one or a bad one.\nHow did our facility stack up to the other ones that you competed in?\n\nCURTIS: One of the things I loved about ours is that it had so many windows, and\nit was so light. I know as far as holding a huge meet, they can't do it there,\nbecause there's just not enough spectator space. If you have six teams from\ndifferent colleges, you can't fit all their parents in there, basically.\n\nPASLEY: And also the spectator space--when you're not in your event, you're\noften there on the concourse as well, right? So there's a limited amount of space.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, you'd have to fit all the teams on the deck somewhere and then all\nthe parents and whoever else. But I always loved how light it was, because most\npools have very limited windows.\n\nPASLEY: I'm thinking you may have mentioned this to me on the phone, but are\nthere other things you remember about that? Like the temperature of the water or\nwere there other things just about that space you spent so much time in, that\nyou remember, either nostalgically or otherwise?\n\nCURTIS: Oh. Well, I can tell you the temperature of the water was always off.\nAnd the chlorine was always too high. I remember one time we walked in and it\nwas so hot in the pool area, and we realized it was like the heat coming off of\nthe water because it was so hot.\n\nPASLEY: Why does that happen?\n\nCURTIS: (laughs) I have no idea. But the chlorine was always really high, too. I\nremember Coach Ryan one time spilled coffee on his shirt and just stuck it in\nthe pool and it just--the stain immediately left, because like the chlorine is\njust so strong. I mean, I probably smelled like chlorine for four years\nstraight, no matter how much I showered. Which I guess there's worse things to\nsmell like, but--\n\nPASLEY: Wow, the coffee stain solution; I never thought about that until now.\nWas that something that you guys were in charge of, in terms of applying\nchemicals and all that? This is where my ignorance is coming in.\n\nCURTIS: Not the swimmers. I'm assuming there was some sort of pool manager.\n\nPOTEET: It should have been physical plant. Same thing happened with the outdoor\npool. The outdoor pool also had problems constantly with the pH (power of hydrogen).\n\nCURTIS: (INAUDIBLE) great. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"love that outdoor pool.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, it's beautiful. I'm glad you shared the light, because I'm trying\nto also see how we can tell these stories about what it was like in there, but I\ndon't know that we want to get into the lack of chemicals. So there's a lot of\nthings that we're not going to put in this book. I may do a separate book, just\nabout the things I didn't put in this one.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Could I just add a personal experience here? I didn't even know\nhow to swim when I got to Trinity, really. I didn't know how to swim. Shirley\nand Bob Strauss and some of the others finally helped me a little bit about my\nbreathing. But any rate, there was a group of us that would go into the outdoor\npool 5:30 in the morning, because Coach Norris had a key and we'd go in there.\nAnd we went in there in the winter time when it was not heated, and it would be\nsnowing, and we could only do about one or two laps. I mean, sometimes only go\nup to the one end of the pool (laughs) and get out. It was kind of a macho\nthing. I never did become a really good swimmer, but I really appreciated also\nthe value that that does to your body. And particularly as you get older, it is\nsomething that you can continue to do, for an older person. I regret that I\nwasn't able to swim as much. But I found there was something really positive\nabout it. Even though I wasn't a good swimmer, that there were just benefits\nfrom the actual act of swimming that you can't get anyplace else.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah. It's definitely something you can do forever. I swam in the\nMasters national meet in San Antonio, in 2015, and there was a man in his\nmid-eighties who was swimming like four or five events, which is just awesome.\n\nPASLEY: First of all, I'm going to get on Doug, because Doug is basically the\nTrinity historian since he's retired. One of the things he did was he wrote this\nhistory of Trinity, I want to say in 2004, I think. But the thing about snow,\nDoug, I'm going to do some fact-checking on you on that one. Because it snowed\nin 1985, but--that doesn't mean it wasn't cold. And also, I tried swimming for a while--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I should say snow flurries, but the water temperature--\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, I get it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: --it was absolutely numbing. It really took your breath away, to\nswim. But yeah, maybe I exaggerated.\n\nPASLEY: A little embellishment there. So, I'm an outdoor nerd, and if I can't\nbreathe when I want to, I go crazy. So I tried swimming a few years, and it took\nme so darn long to swim a mile. But the other thing is that of course the\noutdoor pool was 50 meters, right?\n\nCURTIS: Right.\n\nPASLEY: The indoor pool is 25?\n\nCURTIS: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: And I learned that I could do okay in an indoor, in a 25-meter pool, but\nmaking it the whole way without stopping, I'm just a complete wimp.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, I feel the same way about a 50-meter pool, honestly. I like swimming\noutside but I prefer a 25-yard pool.\n\nPASLEY: And that's the other thing that I learned from John is it's a yard\nthing, right? it's not a meter thing.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, inside is 25 yards, and outside is 50 meters.\n\nPASLEY: You know, I'm not sure I picked up on that. Okay!\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: If I can add just a bit of trivia? In the obituaries, yesterday,\nday before, Mr. Byrd, who gave the money for the outdoor pool--that was his\nfamily name--he just passed away. And he gave the money, the vast amount of\nmoney to build that pool. And that the students there, they called it the Byrd\nBath. That's what it was.\n\nPASLEY: Really!\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Yeah, it was known as the Byrd Bath. But it struck me of interest.\nAnd I don't know whether Abra is listening, but that's an obit probably worth\nputting in the archives.\n\nPASLEY: Sure. If not, I'll find it. I had no idea. One of the things, Christy,\nthat's a big part of our narrative--because we're starting in 1969, so we're\ncovering a little bit of ground here--but that's Title IX, which happened right\nbefore I showed up at Trinity. And I know you were on a co-ed team;  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwere there, first of all, any acknowledgement of knowing what Title IX was or\nwhat it did for women athletes? And then also, did you ever feel like there was\na difference in how the women and the men might have been treated or resources\nyou had? Things like that? Any differences?\n\nCURTIS: Not on our team, honestly. And Coach Ryan was great, because if you were\non the team, he wanted you to be part of the team. So we didn't get to go to\nfancy meets and fancy places multiple times a year, because it was important for\nhim to be able to take everyone to the conference meet and to like the one meet\nwe would go to on an airplane. As opposed to other teams that might have a\ntravel team, where you might not get picked to go. So I would say no. Back to\nwhen we were talking about our conference championship, everyone went, everyone\nswam. Some people swim exhibition, but it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like,\n\"Oh, this person's here for points and this person's just here.\" It was just,\n\"Everyone's part of the team. Everyone gets treated the same way, no matter who\nthey are.\"\n\nPASLEY: I'm sure that's not the case everywhere, from what I'm hearing. (inaudible)\n\nCURTIS: No. Even in 10-year-old soccer, that's not the case.\n\nPASLEY: I think that's a good segue. We've got a little more than ten minutes.\nAnd I'm thinking you're also maybe looking through a different lens now,\nChristy. Now, you have kids thinking about sports. So have you thought about\nwhat lessons you've learned? What are lessons you might have learned as an\nathlete at Trinity, how that applied to your career or your parenting or any of\nthat stuff as an adult?\n\nCURTIS: I should have thought about that question ahead of time! I don't know. I\nthink one of the things I think about a lot now especially--like I said, I have\na 10-year-old who really loves soccer and really wants to be like the next Alex\nMorgan in soccer, at ten. And I spend a lot of time thinking about how she has\nto get through so many years before she can even swim in college. And I feel\nreally fortunate that like I made it there, and then the way Coach Ryan set up\nour swimming and our season, I didn't burn out, which is a big deal. A lot of\ncollege swimmers do burn out before the four years, especially if they're not\nthe top of their field. So I think that is something I do think about, is how to\nget her where she wants to be and get her the training she wants, but I want her\nto get there and still love it and find something she loves to do and be able to\ndo it. I feel like I'm really fortunate with swimming. It's just something I\nloved then and love now, and made it through four years, feeling pretty good\nabout myself.\n\nPASLEY: And as a psychologist, are there any other lessons that you stopped and\nthought, \"Wow, if I didn't swim, or if I wasn't active as a student, I wouldn't\nhave done this thing\"?\n\nCURTIS: It definitely helped me keep my life together. I was pretty--I shouldn't\nsay sheltered but, I don't know, maybe sheltered--but moving away on my own,\nswimming, definitely kept me doing the things I needed to do to get where I\nwanted to be. Aside from that, I realized how important coaching is and just how\nthe coach that you have can make all the difference in the world.\n\nPASLEY: Now, have you ever coached yourself?\n\nCURTIS: Yep. I've coached swimming before. Mainly, it's just swimming. I did\ncoach four- and five-year-old soccer one year when I was at Ole Miss, but that\nwas just because somebody asked me to help, not because I have any skill at all.\nBut yeah, I've coached swimming all the way from teeny little kids up to Masters\nand adult swimming. But I don't think I've ever really been in a position where\nI've--I feel like Coach Ryan, I hold in such high esteem, and even when I went\nto grad school, I kept wanting to call our program director \"Coach,\" because it\nwas just--that's just where I put him, because I just put him in such a high\nspot in my mind. So if there's another leader that has that same ability, then\nthat's what I would call them, because Coach Ryan set that bar.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: One of the things that I felt that athletics did for me  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwas that I learned that I could push myself a lot harder than I ever thought I\ncould. And if you wanted to do something well, you really had to commit to it.\nYou weren't gonna achieve much if you didn't do that. And that the bit of\nplaying together as a team is something that, if you've never experienced\nit--like I had friends that I would never have been friends with, had we not\nbeen playing athletics. But you learn to work with different people and to\nhandle stress, I guess, more than if you hadn't had that experience. Does any of\nthat resonate with you?\n\nCURTIS: Absolutely. Yeah, especially pushing yourself further than you think you\ncould ever go. And I think that has helped me now. I run a lot of marathons now,\nand I think like just I know I can do it, because I know I've done things like\nthat before. I know I can run or swim until I feel like my lungs are gonna burst\nand it's gonna be okay, because I know my body can do that. But yeah, I\nabsolutely agree with you.\n\nPASLEY: So you were doing intermediate length events, right? You weren't doing distance?\n\nCURTIS: No. Although we had a little discussion about it my freshman year\nbecause Coach Ryan wanted me at 400 IM to be a distance swimmer, and I said, \"I\ndon't think that's a distance event.\" But yeah, he tried to push me over into\nthe distance people and I said, \"No thank you.\"\n\nPASLEY: Your lung capacity, through swimming, do you think that's helping you\nand your endurance capabilities running marathons?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah, I would say so. Although they're kind of two different beasts.\n\nPASLEY: Usually we ask people for clippings, and you've already sent me some\npictures. Can you mention briefly the trophy? You sent me a picture of that trophy.\n\nCURTIS: I don't know if he did it up until he retired, but when my class\ngraduated, he gave everyone a replica of the conference championship trophy, and\nput all of our achievements in the four years that we were at Trinity on the\ntrophy. It's pretty cool.\n\nPASLEY: That's pretty neat. And you still have it on your mantel piece?\n\nCURTIS: You could say that. It's actually in our garage. But you can put it\nwherever you'd like.\n\nPASLEY: If I see Ryan again, I won't tell him that.\n\nCURTIS: It was in storage for three years when we were in England, so it just\nkind of got unpacked with that stuff.\n\nPASLEY: Coach Ryan shared a stack of pictures, so we're in great shape. That's\nthe beauty, by the way, Christy, of participating in the 1990s. Because the\npictures from the 1970s are all small and out of focus and brown. So we have\nsome wonderful pictures of you guys. But one thing--we're going to be sending\nyou this consent form. Christy, do you happen to have like a professional\nheadshot or one that you use like on LinkedIn or something, that you could also\nshare with me?\n\nCURTIS: Yep, I do.\n\nPASLEY: Because we would like to do kind of a wrap-up--I think we're coming up\non 40 of these interviews, by the way, and you're our first swimming and diving\none, so this is a special moment. I'll send you a follow-up email, but if you\nhappen to have just a headshot of you today, we'd also love to have that. And\nyou're staying in great shape. I just have to say how much I admire that.\n\nCURTIS: Thank you.\n\nPASLEY: I think the school bus may be coming soon. Is there anything else that\nwe either haven't asked or that's popped into your brain before we sign off?\n\nCURTIS: Yes. So one thing I was going to say is that--I believe it was my junior\nyear, the Spurs were practicing at the Bell Center, which was one of the most\nfun things for us as swimmers, because we ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would see them in the\ntraining room, and in the locker rooms. I mean, they wouldn't come in the\nwomen's locker room, but in the men's locker room. But we'd see like these\nprofessional basketball players just getting ice next to me while I was getting\nice after practice.\n\nPASLEY: Did you get to talk with them?\n\nCURTIS: Well, I would say like \"hello\" but that was pretty much it.\n\nPASLEY: I have to share this--when I'll be reading a Trinitonian story about a\nspecific statistic, I tripped over one, and I want to say this was in the 1980s.\nOf course, the Spurs are huge, still, here. But the basketball team, which\nwasn't doing very--we had a team that didn't have many people they could play\nthat were even--that weren't always just so much better and taller than them.\nBut one time, the basketball team was playing another local school, like maybe\nIncarnate Word, but the game was the warm-up game for the Spurs, down at the\nconvention center.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, fun.\n\nPASLEY: And can you imagine being a Trinity basketball player, a women's\nbasketball player? And it was like six dollars for the ticket. That's a great story.\n\nCURTIS: And I always thought it was so nice the couple of times that Trinity\nhosted NCAA playoff games, that Trinity was participating in, that the school or\nthe athletic department or somebody would cover the cost of the tickets for the\nstudents to come in and see it, which I always just thought was a really nice gesture.\n\nPASLEY: You mentioned you had some friends maybe in different sports. Did y'all\nturn out to root for each other, from different teams?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah, definitely. We would go to basketball games a lot. We would\nusually watch football games from one of the dorms since they overlook the\nfield. And yeah, my two roommates my senior year were both volleyball players,\nso I would go watch them.\n\nPASLEY: Oh, cool. Who were those roommates?\n\nCURTIS: Um, Abby Wilson and Karen Reese.\n\nPASLEY: A lot of these names are becoming familiar. Doug has gone through and\ndug up--we've dug up a lot of stats from those days. Thank you so much, Christy.\nI know you've got a lot on your plate and I really appreciate your time.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, no, this is great.\n\nPASLEY: We'll be sending you that. Doug, any words of wisdom?\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, no, except that I've always admired the swimmers. I\ninteracted with them a lot, with the men in the locker room. And when we would\nswim recreational, sometimes they would be just finishing up and so forth. And I\njust always admired how they could swim, and not be out of breath at the end of\nthe (laughs) lap, like I did. And I really think that the swimming program added\na great deal to our overall program and it was one that I think brought a lot of\nrecognition to the university. And I think it is a great program and appreciate\nyou taking the time to talk to us. Every time we do this, I always feel like\nI've learned more than--just to get to meet an athlete and talk to them, I learn\na whole lot more than I ever knew, even though I was at Trinity for 40 years. So\nI appreciate that opportunity to talk to you.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, well, thank you. I really enjoyed meeting all of you. I love\nTrinity, and it has been a pleasure to do this interview. Like I was telling\nyou, Betsy, I taught there when we lived in Texas recently, and it was just such\na great--yeah.\n\nPASLEY: That's right. Before we hang up, remind us what your gig was here and\nwhen it was, if you remember.\n\nCURTIS: I taught as an adjunct faculty member in the Psychology department. And\nI want to say it was 2014 to 2016.\n\nPOTEET: I really was just going to echo Doug and thank you so much for opening\nthis window to us.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah. This was great.\n\nPOTEET: But we had no one from swimming. So we really appreciate your spending\ntime with us today.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. This is great.\n\nPASLEY: Cool. Well, have fun with those kids. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/transcript/30936/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'll send you a\nfollow-up email and you'll see this consent form. And best of luck. Thanks, Christy.\n\nCURTIS: Thank you so much. I'll talk to you all soon.\n\nPASLEY: All right. Bye.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Bye-bye.\n\nPOTEET: Thank you.\n\n(END INTERVIEW)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=3300.0,3600.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Christy_Jayne_Curtis.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=0.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: Today is February 2nd, 2021. It's Tuesday. It's Groundhog's Day. This is an interview for the oral history project of Trinity University women's intercollegiate athletics. My name is Betsy Gerhardt Pasley. I was a Trinity graduate in 1977 and also an intercollegiate athlete myself. I ran track and played softball. I hate swimming, by the way, so there you go. We also have Dr. Douglas Brackenridge, Professor Emeritus, Department of Religion, from 1962 to 2002. And, Chrissy, I think that's the year you graduated, isn't it?\n\nCURTIS: Yes.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=0.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why Trinity?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=166.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: Let me go ahead, then, and kind of go backwards. The first question we always like to ask, because to me it's always interesting to see how this happened--what brought you to Trinity? And also, did sports have anything to do with it?\n\nCURTIS: Swimming brought me to Trinity, and sports had everything to do with it, actually. I, my freshman year in high school, received a recruiting letter from Coach John Ryan and just kind of kept it in the back of my head. It probably is my room somewhere. And then when I started to look at schools to swim, that was one of the places that I looked. San Antonio sounded nice, and it's a good school.\n\nPOTEET: And where did you live then, Christy?\n\nCURTIS: In St. Louis.\n\nPASLEY: One of the interesting things about the earlier stories, parents played a role, it seems. Did your parents play a role? Did you feel like this was a decision you made on your own?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=166.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Coach Ryan","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=419.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: ...Now, if Ryan sent you that recruiting letter, did you talk to him after you got the letter, when you started getting serious?\n\nCURTIS: I think not until I was a senior. And it's funny, my mom brought this up recently, but he I think sent out packets to--I don't know how many recruiting letters he sends out a year; probably hundreds, I mean, who knows--but he sent one to my address but had somebody else's name on the inside. Who knows what happened to mine. But it was kind of funny and sort of made him stand out. And I mean, he's kind of a goofy guy anyway, and it just sort of fit in with his personality.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah. I didn't know him until I met him in person a few weeks ago. And yeah, he's quite the guy, but boy, is he passionate about this sport.\n\nCURTIS: Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=419.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Focusing on Psychology","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=657.0,742.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"POTEET: What was your major, Christy?\n\nCURTIS: Psychology.\n\nPASLEY: How did you end up going to Mississippi to get your--now was that your doctorate there?\n\nCURTIS: Yes. So you get a non-terminal master's in a clinical psychology doctoral program, and I think--I mean, this was like back when you had to buy the enormous book of all the graduate schools in the country, as opposed to just being able to look on the Internet. And the clinical psych programs are fairly difficult to get into, so I think I just applied to as many as I could that I thought would fit, and Mississippi was the one that was.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=657.0,742.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Balancing Academic and Athletics","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=742.0,877.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...So you were not taking basket weaving while you were at Trinity, obviously. You were in a pretty rigorous science program. What do you remember about balancing Ryan's expectations for practice and the trips you had to take, versus your studies?\n\nCURTIS: Well, you had to treat school and swimming as a job. I was there to swim, and I was there to go to school, and I had to get all of those things done. So you couldn't skip practice because you hadn't studied for a test. You had to do everything you had to do so that you could fit swimming in.\n\nPASLEY: So, were there times when you felt like you had to lean on professors, or did Coach Ryan have to step in and help out sometimes? Or did you always feel like you were able to maintain that?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, well. I mean, there were some times, because we would miss school for meets occasionally. And I can remember one time in particular with one professor who had this very strict attendance policy, and then she just wasn't very friendly, to put it mildly, in general. And she didn't really care if you were sick or if you had to miss for your sport or whatever, even though you could get a letter from the athletic department saying, \"This is a student athlete who has to be gone.\" So I do remember going to class one time with the flu because I knew I was already gonna miss two days for swimming, so I didn't even want to get in an argument with her over whether my third day is because I was sick or not.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=742.0,877.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Memorable Moments","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=877.0,1223.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...Remind me, were there some memorable trips that you guys took?\n\nCURTIS: Oh, gosh. We went to do Christmas training one year in south Florida, which was great. We went to Mexico a couple of times for swim meets, which was fascinating. Then one of my favorite ones was my junior year, we took 00:15:00a relay team to nationals and it was in Buffalo, New York, so we got to go see Niagara Falls and do some stuff up here.\n\nPASLEY: You said Mexico was fascinating. Can you tell me more?\n\nCURTIS: Well, I think we talked about this the first time we talked, but one of the things that they did is they don't do their starts the same way that we do.\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, please tell that story, because I thought this was fascinating.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=877.0,1223.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Conference Competition","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1223.0,1436.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...Can you talk about the conference competition? I think you guys just started in conference--would that be right?--in the SCAC (Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference), about the time you showed up?\n\nCURTIS: Yeah. I think my freshman year was the first year.\n\nPASLEY: I think it was, in 1998. Yeah. What does conference mean? Is that a good thing or does it matter?\n\nCURTIS: Oh yeah, it's a huge thing. Because most swimmers at Trinity don't compete after the conference meet. So there's just very, very few who go to the nationals. So this is like the big thing, the big deal.\n\nPASLEY: Do you feel like it was competitive for you guys?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1223.0,1436.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Growing up with Athletics","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1436.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: When did you start swimming as a kid?\n\nCURTIS: I started in a summer league when I was five, and then I started year-round when I was eight.\n\nPASLEY: So, here's my question now that you have at least one child and maybe more. Is a single-sport focus a good thing, or would you prefer they try different things, or do you even have an opinion?\n\nCURTIS: I prefer they try different things. But with swimming, I think it's hard. Until maybe fifth or sixth grade, I wasn't swimming more than three days a week. I know sixth grade, I started swimming a lot.\n\nPASLEY: But it wasn't something you felt like somebody pushed you into?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1436.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"John Ryan's Coaching","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1518.0,1663.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: I'd like to just follow up on what you were saying earlier about coaching men and women. A coach like Ryan, the men and the women are swimming right at the same time, right?\n\nCURTIS: Right.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Is there any difference in the way he would either help or discipline or challenge the men versus the women? Or was that nothing that was really noticeable?\n\nCURTIS: I would say no. I will say one of the best things he did for me was he let me train with the boys. So I swam in a lane with three or four boys, which I think really pushed me to be a better swimmer. I wouldn't say men versus women. He definitely treated the distance swimmers different than the sprinters. The sprinters never want to do anything like over a small amount, and then the distance swimmers have to just swim and swim and swim and swim. And of course then you have the rest of us who are just kind of laughing at both sides of it, because you know, the sprinters get to sit in the hot tub when we're tapering for a meet, and the distant swimmers have to swim extra practices.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1518.0,1663.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Social Life at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1663.0,1944.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"POTEET: Christy, tell us about your friends at Trinity. Were you friends with swimmers or other people or did it make any difference?\n\nCURTIS: I would say most of my friends, my very good friends, are swimmers. Outside of that, a lot of them were some other type of student athlete. And then I had a few that weren't an athlete at all. But most of my very good friends were swimmers.\n\nPASLEY: Were you involved in like any of the local sororities or any of the student council or any kinds of things?\n\nCURTIS: I was not in a sorority. I feel like swimming kind of took care of that. I did do student council my freshman year, I think. I was like a dorm representative, so I don't know what that would be. I can't even remember. I was actually trying to tell my daughter that today, and I couldn't remember what the title was. But I was the dorm representative. And other than that, no, I wasn't an RA (Resident Assistant) or anything like that.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1663.0,1944.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Facilities at Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1944.0,2230.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: You mentioned the Bell Center, which it sounds like--I'm not a swimmer so I don't know, walking into a natatorium, if that's a good one or a bad one. How did our facility stack up to the other ones that you competed in?\n\nCURTIS: One of the things I loved about ours is that it had so many windows, and it was so light. I know as far as holding a huge meet, they can't do it there, because there's just not enough spectator space. If you have six teams from different colleges, you can't fit all their parents in there, basically.\n\nPASLEY: And also the spectator space--when you're not in your event, you're often there on the concourse as well, right? So there's a limited amount of space.\n\nCURTIS: Yeah, you'd have to fit all the teams on the deck somewhere and then all the parents and whoever else. But I always loved how light it was, because most pools have very limited windows.\n\nPASLEY: I'm thinking you may have mentioned this to me on the phone, but are there other things you remember about that? Like the temperature of the water or were there other things just about that space you spent so much time in, that you remember, either nostalgically or otherwise?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=1944.0,2230.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Byrd Outdoor Swimming Pool","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2230.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: First of all, I'm going to get on Doug, because Doug is basically the Trinity historian since he's retired. One of the things he did was he wrote this history of Trinity, I want to say in 2004, I think. But the thing about snow, Doug, I'm going to do some fact-checking on you on that one. Because it snowed in 1985, but--that doesn't mean it wasn't cold. And also, I tried swimming for a while--\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: I should say snow flurries, but the water temperature--\n\nPASLEY: Yeah, I get it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: --it was absolutely numbing. It really took your breath away, to swim. But yeah, maybe I exaggerated.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2230.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Swimming and Title IX","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2396.0,2501.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...Christy, that's a big part of our narrative--because we're starting in 1969, so we're covering a little bit of ground here--but that's Title IX, which happened right before I showed up at Trinity. And I know you were on a co-ed team; 00:40:00were there, first of all, any acknowledgement of knowing what Title IX was or what it did for women athletes? And then also, did you ever feel like there was a difference in how the women and the men might have been treated or resources you had? Things like that? Any differences?\n\nCURTIS: Not on our team, honestly. And Coach Ryan was great, because if you were on the team, he wanted you to be part of the team. So we didn't get to go to fancy meets and fancy places multiple times a year, because it was important for him to be able to take everyone to the conference meet and to like the one meet we would go to on an airplane. As opposed to other teams that might have a travel team, where you might not get picked to go. So I would say no. Back to when we were talking about our conference championship, everyone went, everyone swam. Some people swim exhibition, but it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like, \"Oh, this person's here for points and this person's just here.\" It was just, \"Everyone's part of the team. Everyone gets treated the same way, no matter who they are.\"\n\nPASLEY: I'm sure that's not the case everywhere, from what I'm hearing. (inaudible)\n\nCURTIS: No. Even in 10-year-old soccer, that's not the case.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2396.0,2501.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Lessons Learned from Swimming","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2501.0,2979.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY:...So have you thought about what lessons you've learned? What are lessons you might have learned as an athlete at Trinity, how that applied to your career or your parenting or any of that stuff as an adult?\n\nCURTIS: I should have thought about that question ahead of time! I don't know. I think one of the things I think about a lot now especially--like I said, I have a 10-year-old who really loves soccer and really wants to be like the next Alex Morgan in soccer, at ten. And I spend a lot of time thinking about how she has to get through so many years before she can even swim in college. And I feel really fortunate that like I made it there, and then the way Coach Ryan set up our swimming and our season, I didn't burn out, which is a big deal. A lot of college swimmers do burn out before the four years, especially if they're not the top of their field. So I think that is something I do think about, is how to get her where she wants to be and get her the training she wants, but I want her to get there and still love it and find something she loves to do and be able to do it. I feel like I'm really fortunate with swimming. It's just something I loved then and love now, and made it through four years, feeling pretty good about myself.\n\nPASLEY: And as a psychologist, are there any other lessons that you stopped and thought, \"Wow, if I didn't swim, or if I wasn't active as a student, I wouldn't have done this thing\"?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2501.0,2979.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Final Thoughts","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2979.0,3313.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767/index/48437/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: I think the school bus may be coming soon. Is there anything else that we either haven't asked or that's popped into your brain before we sign off?\n\nCURTIS: Yes. So one thing I was going to say is that--I believe it was my junior year, the Spurs were practicing at the Bell Center, which was one of the most fun things for us as swimmers, because we would see them in the 00:50:00training room, and in the locker rooms. I mean, they wouldn't come in the women's locker room, but in the men's locker room. But we'd see like these professional basketball players just getting ice next to me while I was getting ice after practice.\n\nPASLEY: Did you get to talk with them?\n\nCURTIS: Well, I would say like \"hello\" but that was pretty much it.\n\nPASLEY: I have to share this--when I'll be reading a Trinitonian story about a specific statistic, I tripped over one, and I want to say this was in the 1980s. Of course, the Spurs are huge, still, here. But the basketball team, which wasn't doing very--we had a team that didn't have many people they could play that were even--that weren't always just so much better and taller than them. But one time, the basketball team was playing another local school, like maybe Incarnate Word, but the game was the warm-up game for the Spurs, down at the convention center.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46625/file/119767#t=2979.0,3313.0"}]}]}]}