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Douglas Brackenridge, retired professor at Trinity\nUniversity, and we will be interviewing Emilie Burrer Foster, who was a student\nat Trinity--we will get the exact dates--and a coach, played tennis and was a\nUniversity coach. And with us today will be Shirley Rushing, who was a member of\nthe Trinity PE [Physical Education] department, and Jes Neal who's our\narchivist, and Meredith Elsik who is a university librarian. And our interview\nis being done in the context of a history of women's intercollegiate athletics\nat Trinity. So I'll start, Emilie, and just start with the question--why did you\ncome to Trinity, and to what extent do you think athletics influenced your\nchoice?[FOSTER]: Well, first of all, Trinity was a great school. And then having\ngrown up in San Antonio, the Trinity tradition when Chuck McKinley and Frank\nFroehling and Bobby Joyner and Butch [Newman], were all here, it was appealing\nto me, even though I hadn't been playing tennis that long. Primarily the\nacademics; that's the number one reason, and the tennis was a secondary reason.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But you had been playing tennis before that, right?\n\n[FOSTER]: Right. I went to a small junior college in Lubbock--Lubbock Christian\nCollege--for two years, because they had athletic scholarships, and that was the\nonly way, really, I could have gone to college. So I went there for two years\nand then came back to Trinity, which is where I always wanted to go but I\ncouldn't afford it.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So you started in what year at Trinity?\n\n[FOSTER]: 1967. The Fall of 1967.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Okay, and then when you came to Trinity, what was your\nimpression of the athletic or particularly women's athletics when you arrived on campus?\n\n[FOSTER]: [laughs] Well, it's hard to have an impression of something that isn't\nthere. [laughs]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: [laughs] That's a great line.\n\n[FOSTER]: [laugh] So, yeah, there wasn't any. And even when I was at Lubbock\nChristian, I never played with the girls team; I always played with the boys\nteam. So, yeah. So I was going to continue with tennis regardless. And\nfortunately, Shirley was there to kind of put the pieces together so that it\ncould happen.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So when you say that--\"put the pieces together\"--what did that\ninvolve? Was there a team, a women's team, when you came?\n\n[FOSTER]: No. No, there wasn't a team. There was one other girl from Jackson,\nMississippi, who John McFarlin really liked a lot [laughs]. Shall we just say\nthat? And she and I were the two members of the team. But I spent most of my\ntime studying. I didn't really practice a lot. My practices--because when I\ncould get on the court, they were very intense. For a half hour at lunch, I'd go\nhit in the racquetball courts, on the wall. That was pretty much it. Because the\nfirst semester I was here, I took 20 hours. So I was inundated with a lot of\nstudy work.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: My memory is that it was like in 1968 and 1969 that you won some--?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, it was the next year, yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So by then, there was a bit of a team together?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well it was just Becky and I. Becky Vest and myself, and that was it.\nAnd Shirley kind of took the reins and made sure that we had tournaments to play\nin and that kind of thing. But for the most part, I'd say we were probably\npretty much on our own.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Because it seems--when I've looked back in the Trinitonian,\nthere apparently was this team, they were like \"extramural,\" what they called\nthemselves. Extramural.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, back then, there was no Title IX. It changed a lot when Title IX\ncame in. Because I was teaching and coaching at Texas Tech University,\nand ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when Title IX came in, everything changed. I'll give you an\nexample. My first year that I coached at Texas Tech, our total budget was 640\ndollars. That was for rackets and strings and balls and travel and no salary, of\ncourse. And we had a hard time finding a place to practice. The courts were not\navailable. We couldn't use the men's courts. So we practiced on the intramural\ncourts from 5:30 to 7:30 at night.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But when you just go back to this pre-Trinity period then, when\nyou were playing tennis, then go to tournaments, you had to pay for your own way?\n\n[FOSTER]: Pretty much, yeah. Well, my ranking was good enough that I got invited\nto a lot of tournaments, and they would pick up my travel expenses and that kind\nof thing. To my recollection, and Shirley could probably speak to this better\nthan I, I don't think that the university funded anything, did they? The first year.\n\n[POTEET]: The first year, no, the university--you and Becky paid your own the\nfirst year. And then the second year, I got involved.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: There was some funding for that.\n\n[POTEET]: The second year, I think it was Emilie's suggestion, that there would\nbe more competition that year than there was the previous year--\n\n[FOSTER]: Yep.\n\n[POTEET]: --and it would be nice if we could have four people go rather than\ntwo. And we had a couple of girls who were pretty good, then. And so I went to\nDerwood Hawthorne, the business manager, and presented it to him, and he\napproved expenses for the four people, meaning their plane tickets and their\nentry fees for the tournament.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And this is a question I've been wanting to ask, and I want to\nget it from you. I am so confused about when you go to play in some of these\nearly tournaments--this one article says NCAA [National Collegiate Athletic\nAssociation] singles and doubles championship. And I'm--\n\n[FOSTER]: Back then, there was no NCAA.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. That's what I thought.\n\n[FOSTER]: It came about in--actually Texas was the first state to have an\nAssociation for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women. AIAW [Association of\nIntercollegiate Athletics for Women]. And they attached Texas, so it was TAIAW.\nAnd the national came about because of the model really that was provided here\nin Texas to make intercollegiate athletics available to women. This was before\nTitle IX. This was back in, oh gosh, the early 1970s.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But then again, when you played in these tournaments, were you\nplaying AIAW tournaments, or were you playing--?\n\n[FOSTER]: They just had one. At the beginning, they had what was called a state\nchampionship where anybody could go and enter. And then there were so many\npeople that they had to make it a regional qualifier within the state to go to\nthe state championship. And then AIAW took it over and then there was the\nnational event.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So when you played there in 1968 in 1969, that was AIAW?\n\n[FOSTER]: No it wasn't--there was no AIAW until the 1970s.\n\n[POTEET]: Wasn't it USTA [United State Tennis Association]?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, the national championship, a lady named Pat Yeomans decided it\nwould be nice--because the men had the NCAA championship, she decided it would\nbe nice, and she was the one who really fought for this--to have a national\nchampionship for women that was intercollegiate. So she convinced the USTA to\ngive this bowl, this silver bowl, called the Tresh [SP] bowl. Remember that?\n\n[POTEET]: Mmhmm. [laughs]\n\n[FOSTER]: And so that was the national championship. But you didn't have to--all\nyou had to do was be certified by your university that you were student. That\nwas pretty much it. I don't think there were even any bare minimums--you have to\ntake 16 hours, or you have to have so much grade point average. Almost everybody\nwho played them, they were in ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"school to study.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Before the TIAA [Texas Intercollegiate Athletic Association],\nthere was this other acronym--\n\n[FOSTER]: USTA.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: By the mid-60s, it was Commission on--\n\n[FOSTER]: United State Tennis Association, yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, but this was not just for tennis, but it was for the other\nsports as well.\n\n[FOSTER]: If you won it twice in a row, you got to retire the bowl. And so the\nbowl is at--I donated it to the--what's that one called, in Williamsburg? The\nHall of Fame for yada yada whatever.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But, I guess what I'm asking is, in terms of other sports, they\ndid have tournaments and games that were being played under that that commission\nin Texas, no?\n\n[FOSTER]: They did. Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: They weren't national, but they were playing in Texas.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes, correct.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So you weren't playing for NCAA. These things that keep talking\nabout you won the NCAA championship.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, it's like the NCAA championship. It's the women's NCAA\nchampionship. But the women didn't become a part of the NCAA until I think in 1983.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, right, exactly. And that they didn't have a program for\nwomen. The NCAA didn't have a program for women until then. The AIAW. So these\ntwo tournaments, then, were really USTA tournaments?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes. Well it was actually USLTA [United States Lawn Tennis\nAssociation]. And that name was changed again.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You all chime in here now with questions, because I've seen that\nso often, and I'm saying, \"How can that be?\"\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, if you put USLTA, people wouldn't know what it is. And so it's\nthe female version of the men's NCAA.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But we're trying to get it to so somebody doesn't say \"Hey, you\ndidn't know that this was this way.\" That's why I'm asking you. Then your\nplaying career was really these two years at Trinity.\n\n[FOSTER]: That's right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: All right. And then let's just pick up on your career, and then\nwe'll come back and talk about after Title IX. So what did you do after you graduated?\n\n[FOSTER]: I went to graduate school at Arizona State, and I coached the women's\nteam while Anne Pittman was on sabbatical to finish her doctorate.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And then you came-\n\n[FOSTER]: And then I got married. And I got this phone call from Texas Tech\n[University]. And I didn't apply for a job or anything; they just called me and\nasked me if I was interested in coming and teaching in the physical education\nprogram there at Texas Tech, and if I wanted to, I could start a women's tennis\nteam. And so that's what I did. So we were going to live in Lubbock regardless,\nand I don't know how they found out that we were going to live in Lubbock, but\nthey did. And so that's where my career in academia started.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And then you came back to Trinity as a coach.\n\n[FOSTER]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Let me back up a little bit on a little different approach to\nyour career. What was your impression of what people thought of women playing\ntennis and getting involved in athletics back then?\n\n[FOSTER]: I didn't really care.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah. It didn't matter to me what they thought. I was going to do what\nI was going to do. And, yeah, if they liked it, great. If they didn't, well, I\ndidn't really care.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So in terms of what I call the cultural context, that for you\nthat was not an issue. That were lots of people then that didn't think women\nought to be doing things like that.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, I mean, I can remember going for a run through my neighborhood\nand people laughing at me. \"What are you doing running?\" And now look\nwhat--yeah. And now, everywhere, just people are running and walking, and it's\ngreat. But I think being educated is the only way to change that. I don't think\nyou can change it with--my impression--it has to be action. But I don't think\nthat people back then were willing to take the action. Because it was, you know,\nwomen are wallflowers and shrinking violets. I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"didn't buy into that, no.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So do you think, again, trying to feel out some of our\nimpressions, that the culture was open more to women playing tennis than it was\nto some of these other sports?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, I mean, they look nice in the skirts, and you know, it was that\naesthetic thing. But whatever you do, don't try too hard, especially if you're\nplaying against a guy. Well, I didn't buy into that, either.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I've read these articles here. You said that \"Tennis is a\nthinking person's work. You have to make quick decisions, and the right ones, at\nthe right time. When you get out there on the court, you've got no teammates to\nback you up, so what you do, you do on your own. Your mistakes you make are your\nown. Can't blame anybody but yourself.\"\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, pretty much.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That sounds pretty much like Emilie, right? [laughs] Let's talk\na little bit about Title IX. And when you were here at Trinity initially, before\nthat, one of the questions we ask people, what about facilities? What was it\nlike to get to play on a tennis court here at Trinity? They had some by then,\nright? I know those ones below the gym weren't built until--\n\n[FOSTER]: 1968.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, just about the time you came. So they were there?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, 1968, they were being built for the NCAAs. Trinity hosted the\nNCAAs in 1968. For the men.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: What facilities did you have to use, then, to play, and to\npractice, when you first came?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, there were really only four courts, and they were the upper\ncourts. The Pittman Courts were over there, but we called them The Slab because\nthat's where everybody went to barbecue and drink beer, pretty much. Yeah. But\nthe courts weren't there--weren't really there.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So where did you get to play?\n\n[FOSTER]: We tried to practice with the men, but we got greeted one day--we went\nand practiced with the men for I don't know how long, a couple months, maybe a\nmonth. I don't know how long it was. And then we were greeted and told we\ncouldn't play anymore, so we'd have to go somewhere else to play. So it was\nMcFarlin. If we got to play, we went to McFarlin, Or we waited until the men\nweren't on the court.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So what was their reason for saying they didn't want to?\n\n[FOSTER]: They didn't give a reason.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: They didn't?\n\n[FOSTER]: Mm-mm. We were just told we couldn't play anymore, so that was it.\n\n[POTEET]: I could interject one thing here. During that time, I tried--I called\nMcFarlin and tried to reserve some courts for them, at McFarlin, and they turned\nme down, because they said Trinity had courts, and you need to talk to [Coach\nClarence] Mabry at Trinity. And so that didn't work.\n\n[FOSTER]: No, it didn't fly. So, weekends, we practiced. That was really the\nonly time that I really had, because I was lifeguarding at the pool, too. So\nyeah, it was an interesting time.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So but back then when you were playing tennis, did they have\nquote \"uniforms\" or you just dressed in white?\n\n[FOSTER]: Pthhhh.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: That's a good one.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I mean, did they have uniforms?\n\n[FOSTER]: No. No. And did we get any shoes? Did we get any tennis balls? No.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: No, okay. That's what I'm trying to tickle out of you here. [laughs]\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: No, we didn't have uniforms, Doug.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, okay. So at that early stage of this, before Title IX,\nthen, did you have any sense of \"Hey, this is not right and there ought to be\nsomething done about it\"? Or when you're that age, is that what you're thinking\nabout, or you just--\n\n[FOSTER]: No, all I wanted to do is play tennis. And I was going to do it\nregardless. It didn't matter to me if the university funded us or not; I was\ngoing to play. So it would have been nice to have been able to represent the\nuniversity, which, we did--I don't even remember--nationals was the only one,\nwasn't it?\n\n[POTEET]: Uh-huh.\n\n[FOSTER]: That was it, yeah. There wasn't another one. Not another tournament.\nUntil the next year. And then--remember going to Beaumont? ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n[POTEET]: Oh, yes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: What year are we talking about? 1969, then?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So what was Beaumont?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, there was a lady down there, Pat--what was her name? I can't\nremember her name. Anyway she hosted a tournament, okay, for colleges, and we\nwent down there. And then the University of Texas hosted a tournament. And so\nthat was really the start of the women having a competitive series of events.\nBefore that, there wasn't.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Now, were these other schools, many of them scholarship schools?\n\n[FOSTER]: At that time, yeah, they were getting some financial aid. But at that\ntime, most of the programs were funded through student services fees. They were\nnot funded directly from university funds, especially the state-supported\nschools. Now, when you talk about privately supported institutions, it's\ndifferent. But you can't use state funds for athletics. It has to be raised\noutside. Now, the facilities can be done, but the actual money for scholarships can't.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I understand some of the money that came from starting up\nhere was from student funds or intramural funds.\n\n[FOSTER]: Intramurals, yeah. Well, student services fees usually fund\nintramurals activities.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. And so that they gave some help to sports.\n\n[FOSTER]: At Texas Tech, that's how it was funded. The intramural director\npartitioned out the money.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I'm still trying to get this period before 1972, but I think if\nwe--do you have any other questions that you want to ask about this in terms of--?\n\n[POTEET]: Well, I have a memory, and I want to see if Emilie agrees with me on\nthis. When you played at Lubbock, I can recall your playing in a tournament at\nWaco at Baylor.\n\n[FOSTER]: That was an intercollegiate. That was a junior college. The junior\ncolleges were much better organized for the women back then.\n\n[POTEET]: Right, but I can remember, we were there, Trinity was there, and\nplayed in the tournament. And the reason I remember it was because you\nhitchhiked a ride back to San Antonio with me--\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[POTEET]: --and that was the first time I had met you. And so we had\nconversation between Waco and San Antonio. I'm driving in the front seat, and\nEmilie's in the corner in the back seat, and she and I had conversation all the\nway back to San Antonio. And then I knew at that point I really would like to\nhave her at Trinity, as a student. I didn't know much about her tennis playing\nat that time, but by the time we got to San Antonio, I knew she would be a good\nstudent at Trinity.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, is this before you actually came to Trinity?\n\n[POTEET]: Mmhmm, mmhmm.\n\n[FOSTER]: I'd forgotten about that. Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Oh, I see. Okay, because you were a San Antonio native so you\nwere getting--you wanted to get back to San Antonio.\n\n[FOSTER]: Right. And then I took the bus back to Lubbock. Shirley wouldn't drive me.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So again, your experience in this pre-1972 era was essentially\nthat there was very little support from the university in terms of recognizing a\nteam, and that the men's sports were the dominant sports. And as I gather from\nwhat you say, they didn't particularly want you on the courts at the same time,\nor you had difficulty getting some facilities.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, it was terribly embarrassing, I think. The reason that we got\nkind of ushered out was because we started beating them. [laughs]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I was gonna ask you that, but I didn't have the nerve to ask you.\n\n[FOSTER]: And I don't think they took well to that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, I didn't think so. And this is the other thing that\nimpressed me, or that I saw a change, was that in the way you expressed yourself\nthere, you were very competitive, and it was intense kind of playing. Now that\nwas not typical of the way women played tennis. Now maybe by then it was. Maybe\nthese models ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the professional women, they were there in place,\nright? Some of the women were playing professional tennis in the late 1960s,\nweren't they?\n\n[FOSTER]: It was in, let's see--it was the early 1970s--1970, 1971. And back\nthen, if you were a professional, you had to be under contract to a promoter,\nokay? So the men had promoters. Jack Kramer was probably the most famous one.\nThat was the promoter that organized exhibitions around, for the men tennis\nplayers. Well, Billie took it a step further and she got--what was his\nname--George McCall I think was his name--to start with her, and Rosie Casals to\ndo the exhibitions. And she tried to get me to do it as well. And I had just\ngotten married, and I wasn't doing that. So I think it was George McCall; it was\nGeorge McCall's group. And it grew. And then Gladys Heldman, who was the\npublisher of World Tennis Magazine, took it even a step further, and she got\neight girls together and formed what is now the WTA, the Women's Tennis\nAssociation, which governs women's professional tennis, just like the ATP\n[Association of Tennis Professionals] governs the men's.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But you didn't see them as kind of role models?\n\n[FOSTER]: Oh, they were fellow competitors. I mean, I could have been in that\ngroup like easy. But yeah, I was on to another part of my life.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I guess what I'm trying to pull out here a bit is that it\nseemed like from what I can read and that, that it was unusual to be as intense\nabout the game as you were.\n\n[FOSTER]: I don't know. I can't speak for everybody else. But if I was going to\nplay, I was going to win.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: I knew that.\n\n[POTEET]: Didn't they get a sponsor out of Virginia Slims, at one time?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, the cigarettes. Gladys did that.\n\n[POTEET]: Yeah the Virginia Slims cigarettes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: For the pros?\n\n[POTEET]: Yeah. That was the first sponsor. That was the first women's sponsor.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, okay. Well, that's appropriate, right?\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Virginia Slims. Okay, so then your connection with Trinity, then\nwhat year did you come back to Trinity?\n\n[FOSTER]: 1978.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: 1978. So what was the situation then, in your estimation, when\nyou came back and saw what the women's sports were like?\n\n[FOSTER]: It was better. Title IX, even though the playing field maybe wasn't\nequal, it was moving in the right direction, and that was a good thing. I guess\nanytime you have competition, everybody benefits. And providing the\ncompetition--I mean, you look at the students around campus and they are\ncompetitive about their grades, okay, but that competition makes everybody\nbetter. And with athletics, it fit very nicely into the academic arena, because\nthe competition breeds more competition, which makes everybody better.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So when you came--again this is a question that it's hard to get\nreally any kind of figures on--what about budget and facilities and amenities\nand so forth? Did you feel there had been some equalizing there?\n\n[FOSTER]: Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. Was it the same? No. But we were moving in the\nright direction. I could see that it was going to be okay down the road. And it\nwas. It actually was. And when people realized--when I first came, I'd go--ask\nShirley, \"Well, how many people do you have at matches?\" And --\"Ten, 15.\" I go,\n\"Well, how much admission do you charge?\" And she goes \"We don't charge.\" And I\ngo \"Really!\" I said, \"People have this funny perception that if it's free it's\nnot any good.\" So we started charging. And what happened? I mean, just more and\nmore people, more and more people, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more and more people, until the\nstands were at least half full for most of our home matches. Even if we were\nplaying Podunk U, it didn't matter.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So you were using your term \"down the road.\" So before you got\n\"down the road,\" what was it like? Before you got \"down the road,\" in terms of\nthe dynamics between--let's see, by then, 1978, Pete [SP] was still the athletic\ndirector, right? So what kind of relationship did you--you were a coach by then,\nso you had to relate to him. What was your impression of his attitude toward\nwomen's sports?\n\n[FOSTER]: [laughs] You really want the truth?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah! I have a pretty good idea. I knew Pete. I've been privy to\nsome of this.\n\n[FOSTER]: I think the women's tennis provided him an opportunity to do more\nwork. And I don't think he was really into that that much.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: So that's my impression of that. It was just more for him to do.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But by this time, we had women's volleyball, we had women's\nbasketball, we had women's softball.\n\n[FOSTER]: Oh, I remember those days.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And soccer was just coming in then. So he had to--well, Libby\n[Johnson] was the assistant athletic director for women's sports. So what was\nyour interaction with her?\n\n[FOSTER]: Fine. I mean, she was there doing the same thing I was. And, yeah, no,\nLibby was great.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Could we have some--anything come to your mind about the way she\nfunctioned, or things you saw her do, or that impressed you or depressed you?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, she was a competitive person as well. And you have to respect\nthat. And yeah, she was pretty competitive, and she wanted the girls to win.\nAnd, yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you ever watch any of those games that she coached?\n\n[FOSTER]: Oh, yeah, all the time. All the time. I'd be at as many as I could\nwhen we were in town. Yeah, for sure, absolutely.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But at those games, as I understand from reading, the attendance\nwas pretty poor. I mean, pathetic is the word that they used.\n\n[FOSTER]: I mean, I probably--I was probably a majority. [laughs] Yeah, there\nweren't very many people at the games. And there weren't very many people\nhonestly at our home matches when we first started. But that changed fairly\nquickly. And we started doing things in the community. I'd make the girls\navailable to do Girl Scout cookie things and \"Okay, we've got a fiesta; go eat\nice cream,\" or whatever, to raise money in the community. So we were out there\nand we did a lot of that. And I think people got to know the girls, and then\nthey wanted to come and see. \"Oh, they play tennis, let's go see.\" \"Oh, I\nremember her.\" And then of course, after the match, the girls would visit and\nwhatever. And yeah, it was good community relations.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: What did you think about the press coverage of women's sports\nhere in in San Antonio? I read a whole lot of complaints about the women weren't getting--\n\n[FOSTER]: You mean when I was a student?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Or when you were coaching, particularly. After Title IX.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, I don't know. I guess you could probably say from my perspective\nbecause I grew up here, it was like a \"hometown girl makes good\" kind of thing.\nAnd so they would cover me. But it was never with respect to Trinity. It was\nalways I was over here, and Trinity was over there. There was never a joint--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And again, I haven't gone through all these newspapers. I've\ngone through all the Trinitonian, but even there, in the Trinitonian, a lot of\nthe women's sports didn't get covered. The games weren't mentioned, or they\nwere--where the men's game would get a pretty big write-up in the paper.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, I think they ran out of ink.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it all seemed to be about the about the women,\nwhere they ran out of the ink.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, funny how that worked, isn't it? Amazing how that worked.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Let me ask you this. In your mind, is there a point at which you\ncould even say women's sports were here to stay? I mean, I think in the early\nstages, there were a lot of people saying, \"This is just a flash in the pan, and\nit's not going to last.\"\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, as we started to get more community involvement, I think that\nwas the turning [SP] mechanism. Would you agree with that?\n\n[POTEET]: Mmhmm, mmhmm.\n\n[FOSTER]: And I think to do it took a lot of time, but it was something that had\nto be done. And when was that? Not long after I was here. I mean, it was\nprobably two years, maybe? Less? That we had laid the foundation for that. And\nthen it was easy. After that, it was pretty easy, to go and say, \"Okay, well, we\nneed to endow this scholarship, and we need to do this, and go get the money,\nand shovel it around a little bit.\" And yeah that's pretty much what we did.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Of course, now the women--this is the other thing I wanted to\nask you--the women were the only--tennis was the only sport in which they could\nget athletic scholarships.\n\n[FOSTER]: That's correct.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And now was that because they were considered part of the NCAA\nbecause of the men's team?\n\n[FOSTER]: No, there were partially funded scholarships. Arizona State had\npartially funded scholarship. Wayland Baptist College had, for the basketball,\nfor the women's basketball, had scholarships. I know because I coached a church\nleague basketball team when I was in Lubbock, and they had tryouts for Wayland,\nand the girls--I told the girls about it on the team, that they might want to go\nup, just to see what it was like. And they said, \"Well, we won't go unless you\ngo.\" So I went up and I went through the tryouts and I got a call from Harley\nRedin offering me a full scholarship to go play basketball. But I didn't want to\ndo that. That wasn't my deal.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And this is my other question. At this is this point, it's 1973,\nAIAW said that women could have some scholarships.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But at Trinity, we were already off--no scholarship except for\ntennis. So were you really still AIAW? TIAW?\n\n[FOSTER]: AIAW then. 1973, it was AIAW. 1971, 1970 was TAIAW.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, but then in in 1978, you're still TIAW?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Because I know they were doing both. But then when this new\nleague, when TIAA came--\n\n[FOSTER]: TIAW [laughs]. There's too many. [laughs]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I know. I know. When [President Duncan] Wimpress put that league in.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That was non-scholarship. Then did you not participate? You\ndidn't participate?\n\n[FOSTER]: It didn't matter. Scholarship or non-scholarship, you competed with\nlike entities. So four-year schools competed against four-year schools. Two-year\nschools competed against two-year schools. And now they cross.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But I mean that league was a non-scholarship league.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, it's not really a league.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I mean, I'm sorry, a conference.\n\n[FOSTER]: It wasn't even a conference.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, they called it a conference. It was a conference. And we\nhad conference playoffs. I'm talking now, it started in 1976, 1977. And then\nCalgaard dropped us out of that when he came in. But this is what I'm--I still--\n\n[FOSTER]: But see, it was right about that time, though, Doug, that--there was\ntalk that started about that time, that AIAW was going to be integrated into NCAA.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Oh yeah, they were talking about that. Right.\n\n[FOSTER]: They were talking about it.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, but it didn't happen until later.\n\n[FOSTER]: It happened around 1982.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: 1982 I think is when that happened.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah. And so when the NCAA had ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the women's championships as\nwell as the men's, then the playing field became even more equal. And you asked\nme about down the road; well, that's pretty close to when the down-the-road thing--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. But I'm still--when you were coaching, that conference\nwas still there.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: All right. So did the tennis women play in that?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: As well as the AIAW?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well the TAIAW. They wound up having--there was never really--to go to\nthe NCAAs, you didn't have to qualify, okay? There was no qualification. You\njust sent in your entries and AIAW, and that's it, and you're in. Now it's a\nvery structured part of the NCAA to qualify to go to the NCAA national\nchampionship. But back then, no. You just--Shirley just certified that we were\nstudents and yada yada, and paid the entry fee, and we're in.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You're talking now about the early period?\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes. But was probably that way with Donna [SP] and--\n\n[POTEET]: We could send four people in 1973. The teams consisted of four people.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: In tennis?\n\n[POTEET]: In tennis.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, but now we're talking about AIAW? Okay.\n\n[FOSTER]: AIAW then. TAIAW went away when AIAW came in. So it was all AIAW.\n\n[POTEET]: TIAW was the same thing as AIAW except TIAW was in Texas.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, it was for Texas. And they're still there.\n\n[POTEET]: And they were so successful that AIAW went to school on them, and used\ntheir model.\n\n[FOSTER]: And they organized it on a national level.\n\n[FOSTER]: We organized it based on our state level.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So I'm still hoping that I can get this in my mind. TIAA, the\nTexas Intercollegiate Amateur--that [President Duncan] Wimpress started, was\nstill there, and that's separate from AIAW. So I guess I'm still saying, did you\nparticipate in that?\n\n[FOSTER]: If you have a chronological line, okay, TAIAW started here. It was\nfirst. It was the first one, okay? And then TAIAW kind of merged into AIAW. It's\nlike a conglomerate. You buy up little pieces and make it a big pie. And so\nthat's basically what AIAW did.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So now TIAA, the conference, what your relationship with? That's\nnot AIAW, that's the--\n\n[FOSTER]: Well it it's just on a smaller version and it's only--the confines are\nvery limited. The parameters are very set. It's just Texas. AIAW is everybody.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And it was a non-scholarship conference.\n\n[FOSTER]: No, it could have been scholarship. You could have scholarships.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Not in that conference.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, you could.\n\n[POTEET]: After 1972. Yeah, after Title IX.\n\n[FOSTER]: Title IX, you could have scholarships.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Okay. But in terms of, then the tennis players would be the only\nones in that conference--you see, that's why--they don't show up in the\nconference. They don't show up in the standings. Because they're not one of the\nsports. That's why it's confusing. I don't want to take up too much more time on that.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, you've got to remember that it's a sport, and some people who\nplay the sport have more money than other people who play the sport, and they\nget to pick how they spend that money. And so some schools chose to go after the\nplayers, so they offered the scholarships. And some schools offered travel and a\nschedule and whatever. So you got to spend that money however you wanted to. But\nto my way of thinking, if you're going to run a race, you've got to have the\nhorses. So the scholarship from my perspective was the key to getting this\nuniversity to a competitive level.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But the Trinity women tennis players were the only ones who got\nthe scholarships.\n\n[FOSTER]: I guess.\n\n[POTEET]: But that was Trinity's decision. That was Trinity's choice.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's what I'm saying. No, that's all I'm interested in right\nnow, is--they were the only ones, because all the other sports--and then\neventually tennis went off and tennis became Division III.\n\n[FOSTER]: The rules back then were very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"simple. Now, if you read the\nNCAA manual, it reads like a stinkin' law book. I mean, it's like reading one of\nmy son's law books. And it's just--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I know we were allowed to have one sport in Division I,\nand that was tennis.\n\n[FOSTER]: It was grandfathered in. John McFArlin had a big role in that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, but all the other sports were non-scholarship.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, we were Division I football when I was here.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But in 1971 is when they made the decision to drop it.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes, right, when I was a student here, it was Division I.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Wimpress dropped it, and they phased it all out. So by the time\nyou came back it was all Division III. There were none.\n\n[FOSTER]: No, tennis was Division I.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: No, I'm saying football and all the rest of it was Division III.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, all Division III.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Let me ask just a couple other questions. I don't know if we've\ngot enough time. And I think I've asked you this, but we'll keep it on the\nrecord. Do you have any records or photographs or anything?\n\n[FOSTER]: Dude, I can't get up to get them right now, okay? [laughs]. It's a\nlittle bit of a problem. I'm working from home.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But we'll count on maybe being able to get some from you, some photographs?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, yeah, when I can--they're up on the top shelf of the garage.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: After you beat me at tennis then, then we'll get some, yeah.\n\n[FOSTER]: Tomorrow.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: To what extent do you think that participating in sports\naffected your later life, your career? In other words, do you think you had a\ndifferent collegiate experience or life experience because of playing in\nathletics? Or did you think it wouldn't have made much difference if you hadn't played?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, if I if I wasn't in athletics, I probably wouldn't have had the\nopportunity to have tea with the Prime Minister of Ireland. I mean, it opens so\nmany doors for you. Can you count them? No. Too many. Way too many doors. But\nyeah, it impacted me a lot. And my family as well. So, yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But like what qualities--people talk about--what kind of\nqualities do you think you got out of playing athletics that you might not have\ngot if you hadn't?\n\n[FOSTER]: Perseverance. Dedication. Learned how to work. Decision-making\nprobably is at the highest. The self-confidence. Before, I probably wouldn't\nhave been able to get up and go speak before 5,000 people in Buenos Aires, but\nnow it's like nothing. People ask me to come and do whatever, and it's not a big\ndeal. Anymore I don't even write much down; just outline it and go. But yeah. A\nlot. You knew me before and after, so what was the difference?\n\n[POTEET]: Well, I didn't know you before you played.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, when we rode back from Waco.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[POTEET]: Well, when we rode back from Waco, I knew you could converse. I knew\nyou had a brain. And I might add here, this was in 1968. I had been here since\n1960. I had been an academic advisor ever since I had started at Trinity. I had\nnever ever had a four-point student until Emilie came. She was my first\nfour-point advisee. And I didn't realize until just a few minutes ago that she\nwas taking 20 hours. So I knew she would fit in here academically, and I knew\nshe would fit in--if anything ever happened in tennis, then I knew she would be\na good representative.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: One of the things you said in this article--I'm glad you\nmentioned this here too--is that you said it gave you an ability to interact\nwith people, with adults and with--\n\n[FOSTER]: Kids and--yeah. Oh, yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You were socialized in a way that you might not have done had\nyou just come to college and just gone to classes.\n\n[FOSTER]: Sure. But I think that's true with every college student who is also\nan athlete. I think they all benefit from that. Because you have to communicate,\neven in individual sports. Now I have seen some golfers that, the jury is still\nout on them--\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be a part of a team, you have to communicate. And if\nyou're a part of a team, and you have a coach, you have to communicate. Yeah,\nit's important.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, we have stories about Libby being a disciplinarian. If\nyou're five minutes late, the bus leaves, and you don't go.\n\n[FOSTER]: Oh, I've done that.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: Kim Steinmetz. We had this routine when I'd pick kids up to go to the\nairport, when we'd have to fly. And I'd always pick up the freshman first, the\nsophomores second, the juniors third, and the seniors last. And then when I\ndropped them off, it was always seniors got dropped off first, juniors, and,\nokay. And so, I told Steinmetz, I said, \"Be ready at eight o'clock. I'll be here\nat eight o'clock to pick you up.\" Well, we drive up in front of Lightner, and no\nKim. It's 8:05. I said, \"Shut the doors.\" And we left her. And she was our\nnumber one player. And so from the back of the van, I hear Louise Allen going,\n\"I'm never going to be late.\"\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: Was a freshman. \"I'm never gonna be late.\"\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I guess that's some of the qualities that a coach has to establish.\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, if you have rules, rules do you no good if you don't enforce\nthem. If you're gonna have them, you better enforce them. You better be ready to\nenforce them. Otherwise, you're not going to have them.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Now if they if they broke their leg and that, and they were a\nlittle bit late, would you give them any leeway there?\n\n[FOSTER]: No.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: If they're late, they're late. Start early. I'd tell them, I'd go,\n\"You have two choices if you're late. You either choose a different route to get\nthere, go a different way, or start sooner. You get to pick.\"\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: All, right does anybody have--? Jes, you've been quiet here. You\nhave a little different perspective on this. We're talking about a lot of inside\nstuff. Is there anything you'd like to ask?\n\n[NEAL]: Post-Trinity, what did you do? Did you continue coaching after your time here?\n\n[FOSTER]: Well, post-Trinity, that was interesting. I started two physical\ntherapy and sports training centers for some doctors. And when I realized that\nthe people who were coming in were workers comp and they didn't really want to\nbe better, I didn't want to be a part of that. And so I started my own business,\na consulting business, and I traveled around the world, a lot, and working\nmostly with professional athletes. I was with Ireland's World Cup rugby team.\nArgentina's Davis Cup team. And Pádraig Harrington, a PGA golfer, I spent four\nyears with him. Just a multitude of things. I did 3D motion analysis, which\nmeans I would videotape and have some markers on joint sequences and on joints\nand video the sequences and put it together into one 3D image, but the image is\nactually numbers. So like if I was going to look at Doug's serve, I'd get about\n400, 000 numbers, most of them bad.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You're right there.\n\n[FOSTER]: And then you interpret it. You interpret the numbers. You see how the\nnumbers change, how much they change. And so if you know the joint, and you know\nthe plane, then you know the muscles that move that joint in that plane. And so\nyou can go and be very specific. And so it's really mostly for professional\nathletes. I did the New York Mets and a couple of the Astros and a couple of NFL\nplayers. One agent came to me and asked me--he had two guys that were going\nthrough the NFL Combine and he said, \"I need to know if they can run.\" I think\nit was a four-four-forty [SP]. And so I analyzed them. And one could, and I\nsaid, \"This guy can. This guy can't.\" And sure enough when they went to the\nCombine, it was exactly what happened. I had Eddie Arcaro contact me about doing\na similar thing for horses and the interaction between the horse and the jockey.\nBut I hate New York. It was at Belmont. And I wasn't going to New York, no. And\nI was so busy at that time working with people, and you add horses into the mix.\nI ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46008/file/119053/transcript/30507/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did tell him that probably the best way to do it would be to\nanalyze a yearling before you go to sale to know what your investment is\nactually going to be able to deliver. Because a horse that comes out of like\nSecretariat, Secretariat has like 500 colts and not one of them has won a race.\nAnd you'd think with that bloodline, but he was a freak. That horse was a freak.\nHe was a genetic freak, really. But anyway. So yeah, so that's pretty much what\nI did.\n\n[NEAL]: One thing that struck me as interesting is that you said you were a\ngraduate student in Arizona, but also a coach.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yes, so I was a graduate assistant.\n\n[NEAL]: How was that experience for you [INAUDIBLE]?\n\n[FOSTER]: It was fun. We won the national title that year. The girl that I had\nbeaten the year before at the finals of the National Collegiate was the number\none player there again. And so yeah we--yeah, it wasn't even close. I mean, not\neven close. Yeah.\n\n[NEAL]: I guess this is a two-part question. This is my last question. If you\ncould change one thing about your experience as both a student and Trinity and a\ncoach at Trinity, what would those things be?\n\n[FOSTER]: Probably spend four years here. Yeah, probably. But the experience\nitself while I was here? I still stay in touch with Patty Riddle. I don't know\nif you knew this or not, but we didn't have any intercollegiate athletics for\nwomen, and so Shirley [laughs] decided that--well, I guess I kind of\ndecided--but anyway, we had a volleyball team, and we had a basketball team. Jim\nPotter coached the basketball team. Well, he didn't really coach it; he showed\nup for the games.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: Like Potter does. And the volleyball, we didn't have anybody. Shirley,\nI think you went with the volleyball.\n\n[POTEET]: Took you.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: This is like starting in 1968, 1969?\n\n[FOSTER]: While I was a student, yeah.\n\n[POTEET]: While she was playing tennis here.\n\n[FOSTER]: Yeah, I also played volleyball and basketball.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But that's what they would call extramural, right? That's what\nthey were calling extra--\n\n[FOSTER]: Oh, it was very extra.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[FOSTER]: It was very extra. It was so extra nobody knew it existed.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[NEAL]: I guess I said I had one more, but this will be the last. Is there\nanyone else you can think of who would be of value to this project, who you\nthink would like to participate?\n\n[FOSTER]: Patty would probably be a good one.\n\n[POTEET]: We'll talk with her about track and volleyball.\n\n[FOSTER]: But I don't think the volleyball went--did it continue after--?\n\n[POTEET]: Oh yeah, oh yeah. We've got some volleyball players that will be\ninterviewed. I have one more thought that kind of fits into this life story.\nWhen Emilie was between her junior and senior year--you played tennis sort of on\nthe amateur circuit, okay?\n\n[FOSTER]: Mmhmm.\n\n[POTEET]: And I got a letter from her one time, saying \"Could you please send me\nsome anatomy books? The people on the tour here all read cheap novels--\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[POTEET]: --and I really need some books that are interesting.\" And so what she\nwanted to read for pleasure was an anatomy book.\n\n[FOSTER]: It's so funny; now I coach some kids, and they go \"Coach Emilie, what\ndo you do when you go home? Do you watch TV?\" Or whatever. And I go, \"No, I\nstudy.\" And they go, \"Are you in school?\"\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I think that's it then? Okay. Thank you very much, Emilie.\n\n[FOSTER]: Thank you, Doug! 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