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I'm R. Douglas Brackenridge, Professor\nEmeritus at Trinity University. And I am speaking to Glada Munt, G-L-A-D-A,\nM-U-N-T. And your position is what, here at Southwestern University?\n\n[MUNT]: Like all small colleges, I wear a lot of hats. I'm Associate Vice\nPresident for Athletics. I'm Director of Athletics. I'm also a Professor of Kinesiology.\n\nBRECKENDRIDGE: Okay, and how long have you been here?\n\n[MUNT]: I'm in my 42nd year.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Forty-second year. Okay, and you came to Trinity in what year?\n\n[MUNT]: 1970. Started in the fall of 1970. I was a San Antonio native, and my\nsister was already at Trinity. So I started in the fall of 1970.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And, did your coming to Trinity--tell me about why it was. I\nknow you were here in San Antonio, but did the athletics play a part in why you\nselected Trinity, or was that something that added on afterwards?\n\n[MUNT]: More my family. It was the academic reputation. My sister was a National\nMerit finalist. She selected Trinity for its academics. And I was a fairly\nstrong tennis player in high school, and so when I got to Trinity, part of it\nwas for the tennis, but a large part was for the academics.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did the fact that--I got my short-term memory--that Clarence\nMabry and that was there, was that an attraction?\n\n[MUNT]: Clarence definitely was an attraction. John Newman was my head coach, in\nmy first time period. Clarence was kind of overseeing the tennis, and John, I'm\nnot sure what the relationship was.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Who was the person you mentioned?\n\n[MUNT]: John Newman. Butch Newman's older brother.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And at that point, Mabry was not--the contact was just more\ngeneral? It wasn't that he was day to day?\n\n[MUNT]: Right. I dealt some with him. He mostly was doing the men's program, and\nthey were just starting to evolve the women's program. And probably my sophomore\nor junior year, they started bringing in some of the really more nationally\nrated programs. Donna Stockton, Dickie Stockton's sister, was there. Mary Hamm.\nJoAnne Russell. That grouping was coming in. And so I was on the team at that\npoint. I never played higher than four. I was not a superstar with the program.\n\nBRECKENDRIDGE: So, were you at that time into these other sports that you played?\n\n[MUNT]: No. Libby Johnson--I'm sure her name's come up quite a bit.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right.\n\n[MUNT]: We all called her Miss J. But Libby kind of started the women's program\nand got us going. I guess probably more my sophomore year, we started. And at\nthat time it was almost what we technically called extramural. And that, we\nplayed more locally. She drove us over in her van to like Saint Mary's,\nIncarnate Word, those schools. We did some out of town. Jim Potter did some\ncoaching. He was instrumental in helping get the women's programs going. And\nthose were in the very early days. On a national level, we were just organizing\nas the AIAW [Association for Intercollegiate Athletics for Women]. And here in\nTexas it was called the TAIAW. And I suspect that Libby did some of the\nleadership work with that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. She did. We went up to Denton and got a lot of those\nmaterials, and so I was able to see what she was doing. Very active in that.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. One of my former colleagues--she has now passed away--but Carla\nLowry, we hired her as athletic director here at Southwestern. But she was one\nof the big leaders and proponents of women's athletics and former president of\nTAIAW. And ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=0.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"she and Donna Lopiano, who was the president of the\nWomen's Sports Foundation, or executive director of the Women's Sports\nFoundation, were all very instrumental in getting TAIAW going. And that brought\nmore structure and organization to it. But it was non-scholarship at the time.\nAnd NAIA [National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics] and NCAA [National\nCollegiate Athletic Association] were the two organizations for men's athletics,\nbut they did not offer competition for women at that time.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. Now there's so many questions I want to ask you, but I\nwant to go back to the national structure that--Trinity went into\nnon-scholarship in 1971, except for tennis. But let me go back to tennis. When\nyou were playing tennis, you were not NCAA.\n\n[MUNT]: No.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I think it was CIAW.\n\n[MUNT]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: They didn't change their name until 1972 or seventy--so you were\nactually playing under their rules and regulations. Is that right?\n\n[MUNT]: Right. And being students, we weren't real knowledgeable about that. But\nI moved pretty quickly, because I left--when I graduated from Trinity, Shirley\nRushing was instrumental in getting me a graduate assistantship at Baylor\nUniversity. And because I had, as I said, played multiple sports at Trinity, had\na specialty in tennis, Baylor wanted to take advantage of my sports background.\nAnd so I actually became the first graduate assistant in women's basketball at\nBaylor, in basketball and volleyball. And I was the head women's tennis coach at\nBaylor right out of Trinity.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So 1974, 1975?\n\n[MUNT]: 1974. And because I was pushed into that role at such a young age--you\nknow, like 23, I'm a head coach at Baylor University--that I had to start\nbecoming aware of the TAIAW and those organizations and start understanding that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So, in those early days then, if I can go back to when you\nstarted with tennis, the coach, did he take you on trips? You said most of the\ntennis that you played was still called extramural?\n\n[MUNT]: The tennis was more formalized. That was much more structured than\nvolleyball, basketball, and softball. And so, yeah, John took us. I mean we went\nup--we played University of Texas. We had different--we had a much more\nstructured and formalized competitive schedule. It was more like--my high school\nwas very structured with it. Mary McLean was my high school coach, and Mary\nbecame an excellent tennis player. We've been in contact recently.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: In terms of--were there like university vans or you'd just go in\nthe car? You went in your own cars and that.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But you were taken care of, your meals, and your uniforms and\neverything like that.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, we had uniforms and we had meal money. I don't remember us\ngoing--like who could take a car, you know? And I had a 1955 Chevy, and so if I\nthought my Chevy could make the trip [laughs], we'd pile into that. But we\ndidn't go on a charter bus or anything like that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And so I'm assuming--the way this committee works, Shirley is\nmore--we divided it up. I was going to take more volleyball and basketball, and\nshe was going to do tennis. But they overlapped, because you were all doing\ndifferent things. So taking advantage of this. So I found out a lot about tennis\nin in the 1940s and 1950s, and there's a whole other story there that has been\nlost, and I think I've been able to recapture that. But by ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=300.0,600.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the time\nyou came in 1970--you were coming in tennis, so you had a coach and you did not\nplay volleyball, basketball or that, did you?\n\n[MUNT]: I don't think I played my freshman year. I think I started that my\nsophomore year, because I think Libby Johnson didn't come until my sophomore year.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: She came 1972.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, okay. Because I remember hiring--Bob Strauss [SP] and Jim Potter,\nI remember them talking about hiring her, and that they were excited to get her.\nThat she could come in and coach a lot of sports.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So in terms of the athletics at that time, that even when you\nwere playing tennis, you could play volleyball, basketball?\n\n[MUNT]: Well, I think I quit tennis in my junior year and then played\nvolleyball, basketball, and softball.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: In terms of your perceptions, tennis, by the time you were\nthere, that was considered a pretty big sport?\n\n[MUNT]: Correct.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Was there any sense of what the view of women's sports? Was\nthere a feeling that it was just kind of a sideline? Or that it had an\nimportance in terms of what you perceived the interest in campus and so on?\n\n[MUNT]: I think we saw it as what we call an emerging sport. Tennis was kind of\none entity, and then the rest of the women's sports were evolving. And I think\nbecause of the rich history in tennis, that it was definitely ahead of the other\nsports that Libby was starting and getting going. So I know Jim Potter I think\nwas my very first volleyball coach.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's right, because you would be starting before Libby came.\nAnd this is what our gaps are. We really have very little information here. And\nI've even talked about it to Jim, and his memory is not--he doesn't remember a\nwhole lot. But with the tennis--you see things written, and they refer to you\nplaying NCAA, and that did not happen until 1982 or so when Trinity became NCAA.\nBut the men were in the NCAA.\n\n[MUNT]: Correct.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So all this time that you were playing in the tennis--and I\nrealize that's a separate kind of category, and that is a lot more documented\nthan what the others are. But going back then to how did you--what attracted you\nthen to picking up these other sports?\n\n[MUNT]: Well, I think it went back to Jim Potter, and that most of us played\nintramurals and most of us officiated for Jim Potter. That's how [laughs] most\nof us financed our Whataburger and money and things like that, to have spending\nmoney, was to officiate for Jim Potter. Well, Jim would see us play, and if we\nwere pretty good athletes, then he was saying, \"Okay, let's play volleyball. We\nwant you to play volleyball. We want you to play softball.\" So he kind of talked\na bunch of us into doing that. At that time period, two of the Steinmetz sisters\nwere there, Janna [SP] Steinmetz, Pam [SP] Steinmetz, and they were also very\ngood tennis players, out of St Louis. And then a third sister came, Kim [SP]\nSteinmetz, and she played under Emile Foster in tennis. But Pam [SP] and Janna\n[SP] and I and uh Drew Duggans [SP] from Missouri City, Missouri, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=600.0,900.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwere all kind of talked into playing other sports.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And that was kind of a formal of extramural. You were being\nselected out by people like Potter.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. Jim Potter and Bob Strauss [SP] were probably the two. And\nShirley, somewhat. But Jim and Bob were doing the--and we would work--Bob\nStrauss [SP] was doing a lot with perceptual motor learning and things like that\nat the time, and we would do lab work with him, and so we got to know him. And\nso they all--it was kind of like a family. They'd say, \"Let's all do this.\"\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But then would they go to the games and serve as like a coach?\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, Potter, definitely. I'm not remembering Bob Strauss coaching as\nmuch as Jim Potter. Jim was definitely actively coaching.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah. I need to go back and talk--I've tried--I didn't have a\nformal interview with him. He's a good friend of mine. And, off the cuff, I've\ngone through all the Trinitonians and all the Mirages and I've got information,\nbut I was still not clear on this extramural category. I know that these\norganizations were referring to it as extramural, not intercollegiate.\n\n[MUNT]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And you've been in this work all your life. That my\nunderstanding is it's called extramural because they aren't recruited and\nseparated out and have a full-time coach. The distinction between--and they're\nnot in a conference. That it's still a little vague to me, because I see this\nterm comes up fairly early on, the extramural.\n\n[MUNT]: I think that it was extramural that springboarded it into more of a true\nintercollegiate, which, as Libby came in, it more formalized into a truer\nintercollegiate. With Potter, we played other colleges. We played at Southwest\nTexas, which is now Texas State. We played at University of Texas. We played at\nSaint Mary's. We played at Incarnate Word. But because the structure for women's\nathletics on the intercollegiate level was so nebulous, it kind of drifts\nbetween extramural and formalized intercollegiate.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And here's the other question I have. Libby says, I think at the\n1973, 1974, that now we are intercollegiate. Okay? And my reasoning is--and\nagain, I'm not clear--but it was by that time the TIAW, AIAW had agreed that\nscholarships were okay.\n\n[MUNT]: Now, scholarships did not come into effect in AIAW until the late 1970s.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I think that all the documentary history I read, it says they\njust made these gradual--they didn't say--they said they may be--it may be\npermitted. And it was right then that these tennis women started getting\nscholarships. Because we were Division 1 in tennis. And I'm trying to make that\nconnection as to why, because according to the documents that I have, I think it\nwas in 1973, at their national meeting, the women reluctantly made that\nconcession. That it would be okay for women. It didn't affect Trinity because we\nwere already non-scholarship. Even though they said it was okay, we couldn't\nhave them, because we weren't allowed to have them.\n\n[MUNT]: That's interesting. And my memory may be incorrect, but I remember that\nI was working here at Southwestern, and there was the debate about scholarships.\nSo that's interesting, and I may go back and look in some of my files.  ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=900.0,1200.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I need to check. Because I keep thinking, why now, why in\nthat year, did she say we were now intercollegiate? And I think part of the\nreason was that AIAW and that, I think by that time, they had national\ntournaments. But the fact that they did not allow any scholarships, that they\nweren't kind of recognized as being intercollegiate. They were being recognized\nas--they're in a different category here. And I know the rules were, if you were\na scholarship team, you could not be part of a AI--TIAW [SP]. But our teams\ncould play them.\n\n[MUNT]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: We did. We did play them. But that you could not be part of\nthat. But after that point, these zones and that, they were in the zones. And\nthere were some schools like Baylor that had scholarships, and so forth, but we\ndidn't. We remained, and many of the schools remained, non-scholarship\nvoluntarily. I mean, they didn't want to. But we couldn't, because ours was all non-scholarship.\n\n[MUNT]: Right. I mean, there was litigation that was happening because--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: All the way through. Right.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, because women were being denied educational opportunities because\nthey didn't--weren't given scholarships. But that was all right around the time\nthat I was starting here at Southwestern.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: What year did you start?\n\n[MUNT]: I started here in 1975. And after a couple of years, when the NCAA\nstarted women's athletics, the NAIA also started, and Southwestern was NAIA. And\nso we moved from TAIW and AIAW into NAIA and then we started with scholarships\nat that time period.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Okay, so by then they were offering.\n\n[MUNT]: Yes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You could. And you see, I think that was--the Title IX, it was\n1972. But it was not until 1975 that they finally produced some criteria. They\nwere arguing, debating that all the way through. But this earlier\ndecision--again relying on these different sources that I've been reading--and I\nhave some of the minutes from the their conferences, where the women are saying,\n\"Look, we're being pushed here and we gotta--\" One says, \"The ship's leaving the\nport and if we don't get on, we're gonna be--somebody else is going to be\nsailing this ship.\" And that's where that discussion comes in 1973, 1974, where\nthey finally at the national level had said that you could have scholarships.\nNow that's my reading of the history. But that it wasn't until early 1975 that\nthey really began to put some teeth into what was in the--people were kind of\nguessing at, \"Well, we better do this.\" And Trinity had begun to be impacted by\nTitle IX, but it wasn't until about 1975 where they began to spell out, \"You\nhave to equal this and equal that.\" People were kind of theorizing that that's\nwhat--and there was indications that that's what it was going to be. But that's\nwhen the real--and there at Trinity, it would just be right after you left or\nabout the time you left, that that that was really kind of boiling up, and the\nathletic committee was getting involved in it. And then they made Libby\nassistant athletic director. And I understand that was a nod to Title IX. Didn't\nchange her job. She did all the same stuff. Well, then, I want to go through\nthat. In fact, I can send you some of the stuff that I have, and you can look at\nit and see if it seems to be--well, I know some of it was right from their\nrecords. But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=1200.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from other sources to see that it was as early as 1973,\n1974 that they allowed it, and that, as I say, it didn't have any impact on us,\nbecause we were already--the school had said, \"No, no scholarships.\" So nothing\nchanged for us and it never changed. It just kept on going. Only at tennis. They\nwere on a separate track. There are so many other things I want to ask you. And\nI do want to just go back briefly and say, what experience did you have at high\nschool? What kind of sports--did you have a sports program? You were in San\nAntonio, right? I'd be interested to know that.\n\n[MUNT]: Right. It was pretty limited. As I said, Mary McLean was my high school\ntennis coach. At that time, I had moved--our family--my father retired from the\nAir Force. We moved to San Antonio when I was starting as a freshman in high\nschool. I went to Roosevelt High School. At that time period, they only offered\ntennis and swimming for girls. So I got into tennis and kind of became a tennis\nfanatic there. And so I didn't really have the opportunity to play--I played\nchurch softball and volleyball, played a little volleyball in junior high, and a\nlittle basketball in junior high before I moved to San Antonio.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Were they still playing the six-person basketball then, where\nyou only stay defense and--?\n\n[MUNT]: In junior high, it was the three on three. So, I played a forward on\nthat. And then at Trinity, we started into we would play rovers.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. And I've lost [SP] about Libby saying that the women\ndidn't know what to do. They didn't know how to run, and they would bang into\neach other. That was the hardest sport to teach, because the other sports were\nsomewhat similar to what they had been doing. But the basketball was so different.\n\n[MUNT]: It was a change. And there was so much prejudice and assumption that\nfemales were physically unable to--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Say, at high school, was there a feeling that if a woman was\ndoing athletics, that they were, something wrong with them? No?\n\n[MUNT]: No. In junior high, it was very accepted. I was in a small town on the\nborder and basketball, girls' basketball, was well accepted there. But in high\nschool, with limited offerings, only tennis and swimming, and those were female\nsports. So, there wasn't any stigma to being a female athlete, at that time.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And so on the Trinity campus, you didn't pick up much of that?\n\n[MUNT]: There wasn't a stigma, but there wasn't any notice, either. It just kind\nof went under the radar there.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Now, I noticed in reading the Trinitonian that the women didn't\nlike to be called Tigerettes.\n\n[MUNT]: No.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: They were called Jockettes. They were called Femmes [SP], you know.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. I don't really--I never paid much to what it was called. I think\nwe just assumed we were Tigers. But most female athletes don't really care for\nthe -ette version.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's right. Well, there were some letters to the editor later\non like--one of the women--the athlete who wrote and said \"If a female lion was\ncoming out at you in the jungle, would you call it a tigerette?\"\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: \"We want to be called tigers.\" And I noticed that even when they\nhad--in the tournament--they had \"Intramurals.\" They had a big headline. It was\nmen. Then they had a smaller column that said \"Femmes\" [SP] or Girls or\nsomething. But I mean, it was like, the intramurals with the big headline was\nintramurals, so that was men. And the other was women. And those kinds of\ndistinctions made me realize how different they were perceived.\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, there was, yeah, a great amount of disparity, just in--I mean,\nlooking back on it--living it, I didn't pay much attention to it. We just\nplayed, and did the best we could. And for most of us, it was an extension of\nour high school competition. We ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=1500.0,1800.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really just weren't that aware of the\ndiscrepancy in resources and things like that. Other than Libby having to coach everything.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did it bother you, when they built these facilities--when they\nbuilt the Sams Center, they didn't have any planning about women, and the women\nhad to use the general locker room. And that if you needed to go to sit in the\nhot tub or that, you had to go through the men's locker room. Was that part of--?\n\n[MUNT]: Again, the locker room was just--that was the locker room we used. And I\nguess because we never went in the men's, so we didn't know what the men were getting.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, but they said to get through, if you needed to go to the\nhot tub, you had to be escorted.\n\n[MUNT]: We weren't even--when I was there, we weren't even given the option of\ngoing to a hot tub. We didn't have access to it.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I mean, the trainer, or whatever you call it.\n\n[MUNT]: We didn't have access to an athletic trainer. Libby did the athletic\ntraining for us. Jim Potter. I mean, if we needed an ankle taped, they taped it\nfor us. So we didn't get athletic training. We didn't have strength coach. We\ndidn't have rehab.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. I know that at the one point--because these discussions\nwould come up, and it began with Title IX where they began saying equal\nfacilities, and so it became more visible, more important. And they made a\nreport in 1979 when the new president came in. And John Moore who was in the\neducation department, he was the one--\n\n[MUNT]: He was one of my education professors.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yes. He supervised. And those same problems were still there in 1979.\n\n[MUNT]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Lack of proper facilities, lack of publicity, inequities in\nbudgets and salaries. They were still there. But they had some progress made in\nit. There had been progress. But they were still there.\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, I believe that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And that's why I'm so interested in hearing what you have to\nsay. I'm picking up from other athletes some of the same things you say. That\nthat I want to hear what it looked like from your eyes, not from what my eyes\nare looking back at.\n\n[MUNT]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And I make something a major issue that wasn't a major issue\nwith you, but it was there.\n\n[MUNT]: As a student, I'm sure there were gross inequities, but we just weren't\nfocused on that. Like I said, it was an extension of our high school, and in\nhigh school you didn't get everything under the sun. We kind of went along with\nit and we weren't really thinking about--we were worried more about our chem\nexam or things like that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: In terms of that impact of Title IV, what you're saying is that\nat least the point that you were there, that wasn't as much of an issue. A lot\nof that came--\n\n[MUNT]: That was coming as I was graduating. I was going to Baylor. Baylor,\nthings were\n\nmuch more structured. And then from Baylor, I was there one year. And then here\nat Southwestern is when as a professional I started figuring out that I needed\nto pay attention to Title IX and what its impact was and what I needed to do.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, as an educator and spending your life in this, the\nphilosophy of the AIAW is that athletics were to be really associated with\neducation. They were to be--use the right word--enjoyable. They were to be kind\nof preparation for life beyond and that. But they were not win at all cost. And\nthat these regional and national women's organizations, they held the line on\nthat. There were a lot of pressure on them from other women and other schools\nthat were already offering athletic ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=1800.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"scholarships for women, to get\nthem to change. And so there's one sense, when I look at it from that\nperspective, I say, \"Oh, they're holding the women back.\" But from their\nviewpoint--and that's why I'd ask you--maybe that was a better viewpoint for\nathletics all over!\n\n[MUNT]: Well, it would have been healthier if all sports, male and female, had\ndone that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right, exactly.\n\n[MUNT]: But that wasn't going to happen, and there were definitely\nprofessional--not necessarily pro sports, but professional in terms of where you\ncould go into coaching and other things--much more so on the men's side than on\nthe women's side. So I think probably one of the earliest organizations was the\n[National Girls and Women in Sports], NAGWS. And I remember those philosophical\ndebates. I would go to the meetings, and that they evolved. They started as\nplaydates, and a lot of the early founders wanted to keep the playdate concept.\nAnd I have a good book that you may want to look at.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I don't know. I've got a whole bunch of them, but I don't--let\nme see if I have--I don't have this one. I've got the names of--the woman who\ncoached there at Baylor, she did a book on that. On the history of Baylor.\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, who was that? Was it--?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Come on.\n\n[MUNT]: We both know her name.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I know. Terrible. I mean I've done all this--\n\n[MUNT]: She was their athletic trainer.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Oh, come on, Doug. I've read her--I mean I've worked with a good bit--\n\n[MUNT]: Nancy Goodloe?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: --and she was one of Shirley's mentors.\n\n[MUNT]: Was it Nancy Goodloe?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Goodloe. That's who it was. I have her book. But a lot of these,\nI've got online, but I'll write this one down. Because I don't know that I've\nseen--sometimes I get some of these online, and you get one article of it, and\nyou don't get--you get that. I won't take your time at the moment, but there are\nother things I want to ask. My reading on this is that these things were more\nimportant to Libby than they were to you all as athletes.\n\n[MUNT]: Well, it was important to her because she was a professional, and she\nwas dealing--and it became important to me once I became a professional here at\nSouthwestern. Libby and I then became colleagues, and so I began seeing things\nfrom a different light. We were college kids playing sports and trying to get\nour degrees, and so--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And again, we're jumping around here, but it doesn't matter. I\nfound a lot about Libby and I got a lot about her when she was at Saint Mary's.\nSo I got a lot of good stuff about her. And at the end there, she was very\ndiscouraged with what was going on. And I've got some things that she said about\nthis. But you would have a different perspective on her because of your\ndifferent kind of relationship with her. I'm just trying to--she was recognized,\nshe was honored at Trinity, but what they had there was not--some of it was\nokay. Some of it wasn't. They got the wrong date that she died. Did you know\nmuch about her death?\n\n[MUNT]: Not--I knew that she had a sudden heart attack.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Is that what it was?\n\n[MUNT]: Uh-huh.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I didn't know that.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. And my understanding is she's buried in Boerne.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yes.\n\n[MUNT]: And, my mother, I have a 99-year-old mother that ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=2100.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is--I was\njust there yesterday. And I've wanted to go find her gravesite in Boerne.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Maybe I'll go out and find that for you, and take a picture of it.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, so, that I have an idea where it's at, because I've wanted to. I\nhave great affection for her. My understanding is that she was getting ready to\ngo on a camping trip with a friend of hers. And I think the friend had come over\nto her house or something and went to do something and she came back; Libby was\nsitting in a chair, and she had died. Just had a sudden heart attack. She was\nthere. And of course back then, we didn't really think CPR [Cardiopulmonary\nResuscitation] or anything like that. I think it was a colleague from Incarnate\nWord, maybe, that they were going to go camping. And she just passed away.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Do you know what she did after? She said she was just going to\ntake a year off. And then somebody told me that she was teaching at Alamo\nHeights School and I checked that out; that's not right. Then, somebody said\nSaint Mary's.\n\n[MUNT]: I don't recall where she went after Trinity.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I still have the Saint Mary's--that's a kind of high class high\nschool prep school there.\n\n[MUNT]: Saint Mary's Hall?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Saint Mary's Hall, yeah. I think it was Shirley or somebody said\nthey thought that's where she was. Not that that's crucial to my story, but\nagain, that my read on her is that, from what I can get, that she was trying\nvery hard to work with Pete Murphy and the athletic--she tried to soften things\nand so forth. That yeah, we could work together. But again what I get from\nShirley was this was really hard on her and she's getting frustrated that things\naren't changing. And then the big thing was, in my estimation, we had a new\npresident come in, Ron Calgaard, and immediately he was going to make it--'We're\ngoing to be undergraduate school. We're going to be national reputation.\"\nThey're going to--higher admissions standards. And all that. And she saw that as\na loss. This was going to make the job even harder for her, to get people who\nwanted to do athletics. And she didn't see athletics really--the women's\nathletics really getting kind of boosted. She even says things like\n\"Everything's crumbling and they're gonna eliminate--they may even eliminate\nwomen's athletics.\" She's quoted as saying that. That's how deeply she felt\nabout it. And don't know whether she ever talked about any of that to you, or\nyou never--?\n\n[MUNT]: Well, my sense of her back then was she was one that was philosophically\nmore with the early days, that, while she wanted things formalized, she didn't\nwant them--everybody feared getting like men's athletics. And that she opposed\nthe scholarships and--but that's my sense when I was professional and we would\nbe at meetings together. And I'm not 100% sure on that, but my recollection was\nshe did not favor the bolder evolution of women's athletics to match--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You're right. I have a quote there where she says, \"I'm more\ncomfortable with the non-scholarship, where they're not playing because they\nhave to; they're playing because they want to.\"\n\n[MUNT]: Right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: \"And that's what I want. And I'm willing to--\"\n\n[MUNT]: So, she would have fit great with Division III nowadays.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yes. Yes.\n\n[MUNT]: The thing that Libby didn't do, didn't have to do really, was recruit.\nAnd so moving down that path--recruiting is such a bear, in intercollegiate\nathletics. And I could see her not wanting to go that--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, she wasn't allowed to do recruiting either with that AIAW\nor very, very--restrictions put ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=2400.0,2700.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on it.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, very restrictive, right.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Because there's an article there where they're saying in the\nTrinitonian--the men's coach, even then was busted for recruiting. And she says,\n\"All I can do is put up a sign on campus. That's the only way I recruit.\" And\nwhat I feel is kind of sad is that if she had hung on for a few more years, she\nwould have seen that this new--did you ever met Ron Calgaard?\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, yeah. Sure.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And he's in your face. And I think she saw him, that he was\ngoing to pull all of us down. And Mike--I did a history of Trinity, and I've\ninvolved with him a lot. And he was very supportive of women's athletics. They\ndon't let me--you can't get into all these budgetary things--he says, \"Oh, I\nevened the budgets up, and I know that the scholarship--that the tennis, they\nbecame the same, and the budgets were equalized.\" And that he finally got that\nnew gymnasium. He's the one that pushed for that. And he pushed for the\nconference to get them-- now that, she would have had to extend her career a\nlong time. But if she had stayed longer, I think she would have--those fears\nwould have dissipated and she might have actually seen more. But what I wanted\nwas to really give her credit for what was done.\n\n[MUNT]: Absolutely.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: We wouldn't have it without her.\n\n[MUNT]: I think the two most critical people in starting women's athletics was\nJim Potter and Libby Johnson.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Okay. Oh, this is another question that I came up with. Do you\nthink that intramurals were really a hindrance, in a way, to developing women's\nathletics? To recruit, get women interested? Because why would you--a school\nlike Trinity where there's a lot of emphasis on your grades, you could have\nexercise, you could have competition, you could have fun but no practice. You\nknow, no lengthy practices, no road trips, no all this, no coaching. You know?\n\n[MUNT]: No, I think it was actually a good breeding ground for the athletics,\nbecause the ones that want to play intercollegiate athletics were excited about\na more advanced competition rather than playing, you know, Chi Beta or the\ndifferent sororities that they were just trying to get kids to show up that\nreally didn't want to play. And those of us that were true competitors and loved\nsports, we were thrilled to have the opportunity to play at a higher level.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You had that opportunity because people like Potter and that--\n\n[MUNT]: Potter and then Libby.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: --trying to--Identifying you and pulling you out.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. I guess the nucleus--I want to include Shirley Rushing, because\nshe was, until Libby came, was the only female.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. She did a lot with the tennis and that before you came\nShe did a lot of a lot of work there.\n\n[MUNT]: Right. Before.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I got a couple--I'd like to talk all afternoon, but I can't, and\nyou can't. There's a couple other questions that we're trying to kind of fill\nout, is that to what extent do you think that you participating in athletics had\nan effect on your overall college career and into your life? You did go into a\nvocation in that, but beyond that, were there things about that athletic\ndimension along with your academic--did that enrich, did it limit, or you don't\nsee it had any real impact on you?\n\n[MUNT]: I think it had a huge impact. I think it was probably one of the most\nformative things. I was pre-med. I was taking all this biology and chemistry and\nphysics and everything. But I kept doing athletics over here, and this is what I\nloved. This is what I really wanted to do. This is what I was doing because my\nparents said, \"Okay, you're gonna do this.\" And so when I graduated, I graduated\nwith a double major, one in biology and then the other one in physical\neducation. And then with Shirley helping me go to Baylor--my sister also helped\nme go to Baylor. She handed me an application for graduate school. And Shirley\nsaid that she called up to get me the assistantship. And then at Baylor, that\nwas in physical education side, not the biology side. And then because Title IX\nwas ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=2700.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"just breaking and things were opening up, and that was my natural\nlove--and so I think being able to participate, it was just a springboard for my\nwhole career.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Okay. And I was thinking also in terms of--like what qualities\nof life? Were there values or were there--what did athletics give you that your\neducation per se did not give you? Are there any qualities?\n\n[MUNT]: Well, I think it's love of competition. I was very competitive. And when\nyour playing career is over, then you carry that competitiveness into coaching.\nAnd I never dreamed--the thing that I joke with, when I do counseling with\nstudents is, you know, I went to Trinity to become a doctor. Well, I ended up\nbeing a doctor, just not that kind of doctor. And it's because of the career in\nathletics and the competitiveness. And it was a way for me to carry that\ncompetitiveness into a labor [INAUDIBLE].\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And there aren't things like what I call discipline? Kind of a\ndiscipline in life? And those kinds of things that you get from--\n\n[MUNT]: Right. Discipline was one of them. One was the fitness, the training.\nThat came more from the tennis side. We didn't have that kind of emphasis really\nin our basketball, softball, and volleyball. I laugh, because when I started\ncoaching volleyball here, I hadn't learned volleyball that well at Trinity. So I\nended up going to an officiating clinic just to learn the rules of volleyball\n[laughs]. But more it was the competitiveness and being able to really foster\nthat into a career.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I think we got down to most all these questions that I wanted to\nask. There was one other bit that I didn't bring with me, but there was one--I\nthink it was a volleyball game, basketball game, where you had this great\ncelebration. You beat--because it had a big bit in the Trinitonian, that\neverybody was all excited, and then that you got recognized. There were two\ngames, so you got recognized at the end of the game. It must have been your\nsenior year.\n\n[MUNT]: Probably so. I don't really remember it that well.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I'll have to--I'll send you that, because it was saying that\nLibby was ecstatic that they had--they beat University of Texas in basketball\nthe one time. But I thought this was a volleyball game that they had won, and\nshe was so excited about that.\n\n[MUNT]: I remember us meeting UT, and that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you play in that?\n\n[MUNT]: I think so. It was at Gregory Gym. I think it was at UT that we beat them.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I think the one that--you beat them at home.\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, was it, too?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: You beat them at home. Yeah, you beat them. And then they beat\nyou the next--they played again; they beat you. But it was the excitement of\nthat. It seemed to be that, with Libby, there was this desire to win. That she\nwanted to win.\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, yeah. She was a competitor.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But it was still the idea that you all were out there not\nbecause you had to, but because you wanted to.\n\n[MUNT]: Because of our love of sports.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And I think that does make a big difference.\n\n[MUNT]: I laugh because one of my memories of Libby--we were playing, I guess it\nwas during basketball season. I wasn't playing as much as I thought I should be\nplaying, like any player. But I was team captain. And she talked to me about\nbeing a team leader and what I needed to do, and I just remember looking at her\nand saying, \"It's kind of hard to lead from the bench.\" And she loved that\ncomment. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=3000.0,3300.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/transcript/30510/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so I ended up getting to play more. But [laughs] I don't\nknow where I came up with that one.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's a good one. And the one other thing that I picked up that\nsaid--Libby had a sense of humor.\n\n[MUNT]: Oh, she had a great--she--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, and I keep looking--I've got a few examples of it, but\ndoes anything strike you?\n\n[MUNT]: I just remember her--she always had these--it was always little--well,\nwe'd call her Miss J--and kind of Miss J-isms. And she would have these little\nkind of side remarks and just crack us all up. But yeah, she had a great sense\nof humor that really endeared her to all of us.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And one thing I can't find is any actual photographs of her.\nIt's all out of the Trinitonian and Mirage.\n\n[MUNT]: I can see her right now. I don't think--we sure didn't have cameras or\nanything back then.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I know we didn't do as much of that. Well, I really appreciate\nyou taking the time to do this. If anything else comes to your mind, now we've\nmet, and you want to say something, there's something you want to add--and if\nyou do come down at Trinity, I'd really like to be able to show you around or do things.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah. I would like to. Usually I'm on campus more. But as I said, with a\n99-year-old mom, when I come to San Antonio, I'm pretty--my brother-in-law--I\nhave one sister and she's the primary caregiver for my mom. But her husband has\nthroat and jaw cancer. So that's restricted. I used to be more flexible. Like my\nmen's team played down there yesterday, and probably today, and I usually would\ntry and be down there to watch them play. But with her age it's--but it's\nlike--President Calgaard laughed, because I knew him for a long time when I was\nathletic director. And he mentioned to the Board of Trustees--\"Well, you know\nthe athletic director at Southwestern is a Trinity graduate.\" And so he\n[laughing] kept tabs on all those things.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Just about your last comment, I was thinking, I could never\nthink of a man saying that to his coach--and kind of get--you know I mean?\n\n[MUNT]: About it's pretty hard to lead from the bench? Yeah. [laughs]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, right, and that she responded.\n\n[MUNT]: Yeah, and she took it in a positive way.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. Well, that's just another--that's a great story. I love\nthat. That's a great story. Okay, well, then we'll stop.\n\n[END OF INTERVIEW]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=3300.0,3600.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Glada_Munt.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=0.0,49.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BLACKENRIDGE: It is December the 17th, 2017. I am R. Douglas Brackenridge professor emeritus at Trinity University and I am speaking with Glada Munt. ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=0.0,49.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reasons for choosing to attend Trinity University ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=49.0,347.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: Did athletics play a part in why you selected Trinity, or was that something that added on afterwards?\n\nMUNT: I was a fairly strong tennis player in high school, so when I got to Trinity part of it was for the tennis and a large part of it was for academics. \n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=49.0,347.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"National Collegiate Athletic Structure ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092#t=347.0,685.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46039/file/119092/index/48404/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: When you were playing tennis, you were not a part of NCAA. 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