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Betsy Gerhardt Pasley and Doug\nBrackenridge will be interviewing Julie Roba Castillon--did I say that\nright?--today. Julie went to Trinity from 1976 to 1980 and participated in a\nnumber of sports.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: We usually start with just a bit about how did you get to\nTrinity, and were you interested in sports before you came. Just a little bit of\nbackground, so we can fill in a little bit about yourself.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Well, from the minute I was born, I guess, I loved sports. I\nbelieve God gave me the gift of athleticism. So, therefore, it's one of my\npassions to this very day and hopefully forever. I was going to go to Southwest\nTexas University on full four-year athletic scholarship for tennis, but I, being\nraised--my parents got divorced when they [SP] were 13 and I was the youngest.\nSo about two weeks before school started--I couldn't leave my mother--I declined\nthe scholarship and decided to go to Trinity, because I had been accepted at\nTrinity University as well, and live at home with my mother. So I was a commuter\nfor all four years. And had to try out for the tennis team. I played softball\nall four years, but didn't have to try out for that. Did make the tennis team\neven though, once again, I kind of wondered if I should have taken the\nscholarship at Southwest Texas. But after being a Trinity Tiger through this\nvery day, I am so happy I made that decision to stay at home with my mother.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, I'll bet she is, too.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And lo and behold, did we not know--so it was softball, tennis all\nfour years, softball all four years, basketball one year, and bowling all four\nyears. So I will give y'all any infor--oh, and I bowled since I was 11, I played\nsoftball since I was like seven, and I picked up tennis when I was between\neighth and ninth grade and taught myself to play tennis.\n\n[PASLEY]: Now, did you have women's sports teams in high school? Where did you\ngo to high school?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I went to high school on the south side of San Antonio. I was born\nand raised here in San Antonio, still live here, and went to St. Margaret Mary's\nelementary that only had CYO [Catholic Youth Organization]. So, we got to run\ntrack, play fast pitch softball, volleyball, and they were all very competitive.\nAnd there was no basketball for girls, or we would have done that too. So, let's\nsee. So fast forwarding to middle school at Rogers Junior High, they had no\norganized sports. None, whatsoever. So, going to Highlands High School, we were\nthe first class to be in ninth grade in high school, and I was able to only do\none sport, so I chose tennis. There was a bowling club that competed with other\nschools, but that was about all we did. That was not an organized sport. I\nthought about playing golf but there was not an organized sport for women\ngolfers between 1972 and 1976 in high school. And then fast forward to college\n1976, Fall of 1976, which is what we were discussing previously.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And did you find that at that time that it was more unusual for\nwomen to be in these sports, or was there any sense that what you were doing was\nnot quite the same as what men were doing? I mean, was there any of that feeling\nat that age?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Personally, and it is just personally, I was so into my sports I\ndidn't really care if there was organized golf for women. When I found out there\nwasn't but there was a men's or boys team in high school, I didn't really think\ntwice about it. It wasn't available. And you know, we were always taught to\nfollow the rules, and if something's not available, then you just move on. So we\nfound other ways to be able to participate and compete.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, we found that true with a lot of the other women, that it\nwas much later that they began to be more sensitive about some of these things.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, I think we didn't know what we were missing. I think that was\nkind of part of it.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yeah, maybe so. But when you think about the whole concept of it\nand then what we did do and how passionate we were about the sports that we did\nparticipate in, there probably wouldn't have been a lot of time, and it might\nnot have been a bad idea that we had to pick and choose. Because they still have\nto pick and choose. It's just that now all the sports are available.\n\n[PASLEY]: True. Yeah. That's a good point.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So when you came to Trinity, by the time you came, there was a\nbit more organized tennis, right? But what about these other sports when you\ncame? How did you get into them? Was your relationship with Libby Johnson--is\nthat how you first got into the sports? Or how did you how did you get into the\nsports at Trinity?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Well, I guess being down at the Sams Center which is now--what's\nthe name?\n\n[PASLEY]: Bell Center.\n\n[CASTILLON]: The Bell Center. Found out about what sports I would be able to\nparticipate in. Because the tennis wasn't going to be all-inclusive really,\nbecause it was JV tennis, not the varsity tennis, because that was a whole\ndifferent--they were DI [Division I] varsity tennis, so from all over the world.\nBut so I found out pretty quickly being down there every day, day in and day\nout, pretty much lived down there, what sports were available. And then just\ncame out for the tryout. We found out when tryouts were, which really weren't\ntryouts, really.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, you walked on, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Pretty much. And back when we started playing softball, we didn't\nhave a field. Right across from--is it Lightner?\n\n[PASLEY]: Yes.\n\n[CASTILLON]: That was an open field. That's where we practiced. Our games were\nat the Lambert Beach and Brackenridge Park. That if you hit the ball and it went\nthrough a left fielder's legs or you hit it over their head, it was a home run\nbecause it went in the river.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[CASTILLON]: And the only three teams that participated the first year were\nIncarnate Word and--I don't even know if there was Saint Mary's. I can't\nremember exactly. But there weren't very many participating. They didn't have\nteams either. But we had a team, And we had uniforms. I can't even remember if\nthey had uniforms. And then as the years went on, through almost graduation, is\nwhen--I still don't know if we played at Lambert Beach the entire time because\nnobody had a home field. I think Saint Mary's got a home field before I\ngraduated. But we also got invited, or somehow Libby, Miss Johnson got, or Coach\nJohnson, Coach Libby, got us invited to tournaments. And I don't know how she\ndid it. But we did get to participate in some DI tournaments that were really\ncool and really awesome. And played A\u0026M [Agricultural and Mechanical]. You know,\nall these schools, the women were on full scholarship for softball. And we\ndidn't have that because we were DIII [Division III]. And then I remember going\nto Sam Houston State and there was a big tournament there. But Mary would--Mary\nWalters [SP] would know so much because she had--but I'm surprised she didn't\nhave a whole lot of paraphernalia on softball. But her main sport was basketball.\n\n[PASLEY]: Right. So, those are the images, Doug, that I gave you on the USB\ndrive, are Mary's clippings. And you're right, most of them are basketball.\n\n[CASTILLON]: If you were to look at them, though, a lot of the same people that\nplayed basketball also played softball. And some of them play volleyball. But\nthere was more cross over between the basketball and the softball team as far as\nthe same people playing that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And wouldn't those seasons sometimes overlap?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Not really. Not back then.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Not with basketball.\n\n[CASTILLON]: It didn't seem like it, no. Not back then, I don't think so.\nBecause I think as soon as softball was over, basketball started. And then after\nbasketball was over, softball started, spring again.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Right. You played both fall and spring, right.\n\n[CASTILLON]: That's correct.\n\n[PASLEY]: That's why you're here, because I didn't remember that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But then I think later they were only playing in the spring. But\nthey had it both fall and spring.\n\n[PASLEY]: I think the overlap was probably between volleyball and basketball.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And I think that's why there were less volleyball players that went\nback and forth and did both. We didn't. I don't even know if we had any--I\nwouldn't want to say because I'm not sure how many volleyball players may have\nplayed softball. And some played basketball, but like I said, I think y'all are\ncorrect. Those two sports were--the volleyball would have been more difficult to\nbe able to cross over to another sport and play another one.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, there's one story that I've written about where I think\nyou were playing at Huntsville.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, dear.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And I forget which sport, but I think--and then there was a\nbowling tournament at A\u0026M and you had to hitch a ride to get up to--\n\n[PASLEY]: Do you remember that?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I think I may have!\n\n[PASLEY]: I think that was in a Trinitonian article.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That in order to get--you missed the first part of the bowling,\nI think it was. But that you managed to get a ride up there to A\u0026M and bowled.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I believe yes, and I believe Miss Johnson probably let me\nsomehow--I don't know if Bill Bilicus [SP] picked me up or--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: No, I think it said some student, some other person, got you up\nthere and then they got you back to San Antonio.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, wow. So yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And you think about today, could you imagine any of the players\ndoing anything like that, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: No, I guess not. I do I remember the Sam Houston tournament pretty\nwell though because of a few incidences that we won't go into.\n\n[ALL]: [laugh]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well--\n\n[CASTILLON]: No, no, no, no, it was too funny. They're funny. They're not-- [laughs]\n\nPALSEY: Maybe when the camera's off, you can tell us.\n\n[CASTILLON]: The bowling, there were a few times where I know--I remember\nscrambling from one sport to another, where we might have a tennis match, and\nthen I had to leave as soon as it was over and drive to San Marcos or Austin or\nsomewhere to compete. Because the competitions for bowling, if I remember\ncorrectly, were on the weekends. Because the schools that participated--and\nthat's what I was going to get into about that. Our sponsor was--I'm going to\nsay, I'm hoping I say it right--it was Dick Yearly [SP]?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yearly [SP]. Yeah. Right.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Okay, I got it. Okay. But our coach was Bill Bilicus [SP] who was\nin charge of the maintenance--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I knew him. I knew Bill.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And then his son little Billy was not on the team but he bowled as\nwell. So, really it was the combination of Dick and Bill Bilicus [SP]. And I\nhate to take anything away from Dick because he's the one that must have gotten\nus in all those competitions to be able to have gotten to the national\ntournament and have beaten all of those students on scholarship, to be able to\ngo to Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And I can't remember what year that was. Now, if I'm\nnot mistaken, it was the boys and the girls because I remember all of us flying--\n\n[PASLEY]: Wow.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, that was one of the most biggest accomplishments for something\nthat I felt like was again more of a club at the beginning and then we actually\nbecame participants in a collegial--intercollegiate sport.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, you became intercollegiate. Right.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And I remember that taking place and it had to have been a\ncombination of Dick and Bill Bilicus [SP] that got us there, which is hugely\nadmirable. Because these schools were DI schools and they not only--it was\nBaylor and A\u0026M and UT [University of Texas] Austin and, gosh, I'm trying to\nthink of some of the other schools that were in it. Do you have them listed?\n\n[PASLEY]: I'm looking at what Doug has written out. But y'all beat UT.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And they were on scholarship. Back then, they had scholarship for\ntheir bowlers. So it really was a huge accomplishment.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And how did the dynamics of that work? It's not clear to me. Was\nthere a separate women's team? Or I understood from what I got out of the\nsources that at least at some point, if you were the highest bowler, whether it\nwas men or women, that you were like the first team. Because you bowled with\nmen, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I think our competitions were women against--yeah, we had a team of\nfive, and the men had a team of five as well. And so they competed against the\nother schools, the men, and we competed against the women. I don't remember\ncompeting--oh, look there's Dick. Wow.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I thought that somewhere, where the coach was saying that\nit didn't matter who was the best player. That you didn't always have--you had\nmen and women bowling together. But you're saying that's not the case.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I'm not sure, now that you bring that up. Is Dick still with us, or\ndo you know?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Bowling?\n\n[CASTILLON]: No, Dick Yearly [SP]. Is he--?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Oh, no. No, no. They're long gone.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And I know Bill Bilicus [SP] is too, as well. Darn it! We could\nsomehow--who was it that got Lizard? We used to call her Lizard. Liz. This one\nright here. She came and accepted some award for the bowling team, I believe, a\nfew years back. I wonder if we'd be able to somehow hunt her down. And the only\nway I know that was my son saw it and said, \"Mom, your name's on here.\" I didn't\neven--my kids didn't even know I bowled.\n\n[CASTILLON]: So, if there was some way we could get--and Patricia used to\nlive--Trisha Pillsbury [SP] used to live in San Antonio. It's Robin. Robin\nMcCarthy [SP]. See, I have pictures--\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, Robin's who you're thinking of.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yeah, Liz. I keep thinking Liz. We called her Lizard. It's Robin.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, you called her Lizard. [laughs] Nicknames.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yeah, we had nicknames.\n\n[PASLEY]: What was yours?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I can't remember. Probably Roba. Oh my gosh, those are so cool.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And so then in each one of these matches, now--going back to the\nbeginning, before you came, they had trouble getting any women to bowl. He was\nhaving a--what year did you come again now?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Fall of 1976.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, they started about 1971, 1970, something like that.\n\n[PASLEY]: 1972, yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And he was trying to get anybody to bowl. And maybe that's the\ntime period where the women were bowling, whoever he could get to play.\n\n[PASLEY]: They may have been bowling together. Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah. But by the time you were there, it was a distinct women's\ncompetition versus with men. But now when you went to Milwaukee?\n\n[CASTILLON]: That was women against women and men against men.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So, there were both men and women going.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, we had a team of men and a team of women. Now when we began, I\nknow I found out there were bowling lanes in the Sams Center, and so we would\nmeet down there and bowl. And that's how we all kind of started getting to--and\nI guess Dick was down there a lot and Bill Bilicus [SP] bowled a lot, so he was\ndown there a lot. And that's really how it all kind of started. They go, \"Hey,\nso--\" And then they probably got together and thought, \"You know, we could\nprobably make a pretty good team here.\" And there were some men, the students,\nalso--I'm going to say when I was there, they seemed older, because I was a\nfreshman--but who were very good bowlers. They competed in tournaments all the\ntime. They just bowled exclusively. They didn't do any other sport. Whereas I\ndid other sports. And I don't think Robin did any other sports and I don't think\nTrisha [SP] did any other sports either. None of the ones that were on our team\ndid any other sports.\n\n[PASLEY]: Except for you.\n\n[CASTILLON]: That I know of, yeah. And then Sabrina [SP] came on later and a\ndifferent year. Let's see.\n\n[PASLEY]: That's 1977.\n\n[CASTILLON]: That's the guys. No, there's the girls that are in there, too.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, at the beginning, it looks like, Doug, that the TIBC didn't\nrequire or didn't designate you had to be a certain sex. So I think he was\nthinking, \"I can fill out the team by trying to recruit women's bowlers.\"\n\n[CASTILLON]: I wonder if I ever competed against the guys. Golly gee whiz!\n\n[PASLEY]: But it does show you going to Southwest Texas, to a match in southwest\nTexas, because you were one of the best five players on the team. So he\nannounced something about you being the first woman to travel with the team. So,\nthere you go.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, wow! So maybe I did play with the men.\n\n[PASLEY]: In 1976.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Maybe I was on the men's team too!\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I'm just going by the accounts that they had there. That's why I\nwasn't sure--\n\n[CASTILLON]: Gosh, I wish they were still around [SP].\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: --whether there ever was a complete women's team. Because most\nof the photographs you're all together, right?\n\n[PASLEY]: It does look like there was. And I think when you went to Wisconsin,\nyou probably had to have a women's team at that point.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, right then.\n\n[PASLEY]: But it may be between 1976 and 1980 was when that happened.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I don't remember Robin coming on or Trisha [SP] coming on, and\nSabrina [SP] was even after that. Sabrina actually just hung out with us. I\ndon't know if she ended up bowling on the team or not because I think--I don't see--\n\n[PASLEY]: There's not a picture of her.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And you know what? I don't know who that is. I can't remember.\n\n[PASLEY]: Darn, okay.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I do remember that one. That's Robin and that's Trisha [SP] and\nthat's me.\n\n[PASLEY]: Okay, so that's Robin.\n\n[CASTILLON]: No, that's Robin. The shorter one is Robin. And that's Trisha\nPillsbury [SP]. She's from San Antonio. Robin was from El Paso if I'm not mistaken.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, we're not sure about her.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Mm-mm.\n\n[PASLEY]: This is good, because we wanted to ask you about bowling more than\nanything else. We've had lots of interviews.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Because we've interviewed--I mean, I'm still interested in the\nsoftball and I'm still interested in Libby. But I was wanting to get this clear\nas best I could and if there was any other one of those names there that you\nthink would be worth trying to find, that they might know more than you or they\nwould be good to talk to. We don't want to do it just from the sources. We want\nto talk to the people who actually were in there and get a feel for what it was like.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, you think Trish [SP] may be in town?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Trish may be in town. Yes, I totally understand. I agree with you.\nRobin, though, who she accepted that award that my son found--it was a big\ntrophy. And I don't even know who presented it. And my kids--well, I think\nMichael was at Texas Tech, so that had to have been between 2008 and 2012 that\nthere was a big presentation of an award.\n\n[PASLEY]: Here at Trinity?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: For whom?\n\n[CASTILLON]: And it was. And it was for the team. It wasn't for a specific\nperson. And somehow they got a hold of Robin and they had a picture of her\nshaking hands and accepting it.\n\n[PASLEY]: Wow. This is what your son saw?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[PASLEY]: And that's how you found out? So somewhere at Trinity--\n\n[CASTILLON]: I can try to hunt it down. It was here.\n\n[PASLEY]: So at Trinity, they give the bowling team an award.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, well, I think they once--you had to win some of these\ntournaments to get to go to the national.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Right, but this was more recent. This was in our adult life. Like\nmy children were in college.\n\n[PASLEY]: Since 2008. 2008 to 2012, somewhere in there, Trinity did a special--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Oh well. Maybe that Hall of Fame.\n\n[CASTILLON]: It might have been the Hall of Fame.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's what it was. It would be that. Okay, but we need to\ncheck. I didn't know they had anybody from bowling in the--\n\n[PASLEY]: So that's something for us to track down.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, we need--well, let's not--\n\n[CASTILLON]: And I do remember the picture was of Robin, because I remember\nsaying, \"Oh my gosh, that's Lizard.\" [laughs]\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That, we can check out. That's good.\n\n[PASLEY]: Writing that down. Okay.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Let me ask you about the coaching, as it was. How did they coach\nyou in bowling?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, gosh. Well, we all already had bowled a number of years on our\nown. But it was more Bill was the actual coach. Dick would come to as many of\nthe tournaments and competitions. Because we would have competitions against one\nschool and then another school, but then we also had them against all the\nschools too. Like the one in San Marcos, that was a big one. But Bill was the\none that was in my opinion the real backbone. He got us to all the practices. He\nwould be there with us. He would work on our games as far as if we needed more\nspin or more lift or how to pick up seven pins or ten pins or different\nstrategies, depending on--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: So, there was that, right. That's good to know.\n\n[PASLEY]: You were coached. Okay.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, yes. Bill Bilicus [SP].\n\n[PASLEY]: They didn't just drive you around; they actually coached. Unlike track.\n\n[CASTILLON]: No, no, no. And Bill was there--I promise you, every time I went\ndown there, it was like he was there. And if he wasn't, he would come down there.\n\n[PASLEY]: Cool.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And Friday nights was our night to bowl. Because they had a little\nleague that came up, I believe? And whoever showed up bowled. And almost every\none of the ones on the team would show up and we'd bowl in the league. And I\nremember Bill would bowl. And we'd have so much fun.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Would this be down on our alleys?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Uh-huh.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, wow. We had, what, three?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you ever have matches on your--on the Trinity--?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, we did.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, really?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, we did. I don't know who they were against, if they were one\nteam or two teams. And I can't remember if we just would have a match against\none team or if it was every team every time. It couldn't have been every team\nevery time, though, because there were too many.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, that'd be hard, yeah. With three lanes, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I thought we had six lanes.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh did we? We had six?\n\n[CASTILLON]: There were six or eight. Normally, there would be eight in a\nsmaller bowling alley, but it depended on the size. And I can't remember because\nthey took them away. I had no idea they took those--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I say how many alleys there were, at the beginning there.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, okay. I couldn't remember.\n\n[CASTILLON]: At the very beginning.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: The beginning picture there I have where the bowling alley is.\nAnd I think I got a picture of the bowling alley, I know.\n\n[CASTILLON]: But I have to say, that was one of my favorite hangouts. After I\nfinished all my other sports, I'd go down and bowl before I'd go home, or we'd\nhang out in the evenings. And after Bill got off, we'd bowl. He was--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well that was a very popular sport there.\n\n[PASLEY]: Well, and at that time, I think. Well, when you were bowling, I was\nwriting the bowling column at the San Antonio Light and the Kansas City Star.\nThat was back in the day when we had competing bowling columns. Harry Page was\nthe Express-News guy. And I could never get above a 133 average by the way, so\nI'm really impressed.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, thank you.\n\n[PASLEY]: But yeah, bowling was big back then. I had kind of forgotten about that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, and I was in the 1950s and it was really a big thing then.\nThey still had pin setters. They didn't have automatic. At the Sams Center, did\nthey have automatic pin setting?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I don't know.\n\n[PASLEY]: I'm thinking not. I'm thinking that's how you made money was setting pins.\n\n[CASTILLON]: But we never paid anybody. I now do nine-pin, which I just do it\nwith my buddies from Highlands High School and just started that. It's a huge\ndifferent game in my opinion. But those are done by pin setters, because there's\nnot the normal ten-pin. I think it was done by machines just like they are now,\nand I believe little Bill, little Billy, was back there making sure if anything\nwent wrong, to go [INAUDIBLE].\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I bowled on them, and I can't remember either. I bowled on those\nlanes, but I can't remember.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I don't remember waiting for someone to set pins up. I do now with\nmy nine-pin. Oh, my word!\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And it would be very limited as to how many people could\nactually watch you bowl, right? Even if you were bowling in the Sams Center, you\ndidn't have a crowd of people, did you, watching you bowl and cheering and so forth?\n\n[PASLEY]: Did you have fans?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, yeah, you could have fans and yelling and everything. Yeah, it\nwas fun. Yes, it was just however many could get in there.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, y'all did have a fan group?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Mmhmm.\n\n[PASLEY]: Because we talked about other sports. Like softball, nobody from\nTrinity would go over to Lambert Beach and watch some softball.\n\n[CASTILLON]: No. Well, these would be our friends of friends and things like\nthat or someone that knew about it and we were having a big competition or a big\nmatch and we'd ask them to come.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: While we're on this, your experience of going there, I know I've\ngot that in there, but Milwaukee, to the tournament, that Trinity paid?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: They paid for all that. When you were going to matches, did you\nhave to drive in your own cars, or did they have vans to take you? How did you\nnormally get to your bowling matches?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, gosh. Because I remember--because I was doing other sports, I\nusually drove myself. But I think Bill may have--they would caravan. It wasn't\nlike the softball or the basketball or even the JV [junior varsity] tennis. I\nbelieve we went in our own vehicles. Or caravanned, you know, if we could get a\ncouple. I don't remember getting any Trinity cars which came--by the way, that\ncame in--because remember we used to go everywhere by bus? I remember Libby\ngetting big buses even just for a few people. But then they had the Trinity vans\nthat came about and the cars, but I think the cars came first. And that was\ntowards the end, maybe 1978, 1979, and 1980. I can't remember exactly. But I'm\ngonna say no. And Bill really was the backbone of the organizational part of it.\nExcept once again, Dick was the one that started because he had to organize the\nwhole thing. And then it seemed like Bill who was coaching, was always down\nthere coaching. And Dick would come and bowl too. Now, I don't want to discount\nhim at all whatsoever, because he was a big part of it as well. But as far as\ncoaching, it really was Bill and making sure we got there.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: In the literature, he doesn't show up as coach until kind of a\nlittle--maybe by the time you were there, he was obviously the coach. But in the\nbeginning, his name doesn't show up there at all. It's just Yearly [SP]. But\nthat's before your time.\n\n[CASTILLON]: That's correct.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And, so, by the time you got there, they were organized. So it's\nfair to say that that you had a woman's team and you had a men's team and that\nyou normally traveled--if you went to a game, both groups traveled. Did you have\nmuch staying overnight? Did you have to stay in hotels and that sort of thing?\n\n[PASLEY]: Did you pay for your own food, or the school paid?\n\n[CASTILLON]: That, I do not remember, anything about that. But I did want to say\nthat when I got there, the team was not organized. I remember talking to Dick\nand him talking to me to try to see if there was any way I thought that we could\nget enough women and men.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, he keeps saying that, right. Yeah.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And then Bill was down there, if I'm not mistaken, how it all went,\nand he was just kind of there, and they got together, and we all got together.\nSo I'm thinking the first competitive team was when I was here, but I do not\nremember it was my freshman year. I don't remember that. I thought I'd bowled\nall four years.\n\n[PASLEY]: No, it says here, Julie, you're a first-year student, and Yearly [SP]\nput you on the team with the men to go to Southwest--to Texas Southern. In 1976.\n\n[CASTILLON]: So, I must have bowled with the men, and then we organized a\nwoman's team and a men's team, and that's when I started playing with the women.\n\n[PASLEY]: And they've got that the following year, 1977.\n\n[CASTILLON]: There you go.\n\n[PASLEY]: For men's and women's. So Doug, you've got it. It's in here.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And I thought it was interesting that bowling, you were the\nhighest--because that's what it was, was how well you bowled.\n\n[CASTILLON]: My average.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Your average.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Goodness, interesting. I played with boys my entire life, and so I\nmaybe discounted the fact that I got to be part of a men's bowling competitive--\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, see, that's why we want to get these stories. Because this\nis so foreign to what the women see today. And we want--what we're trying to do\nwith this is to flesh this out, because there's so little records kept. We don't\nhave the records. We rely on the Trinitonian and we try to rely on the people\nand whatever clippings we can get, to put this together. And it makes such an\ninteresting story about particularly the 1970s and the early 1980s, where\nwomen's sports were still not really--I have a line in there where I think it's\nthe athletic council says something about, \"Well, I think maybe women's sports\nare here to stay.\"\n\n[PASLEY]: \"Maybe now they are\" or something.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, right. And that was the feeling was, \"This is just a fad.\nIt's just a fad.\" But no, no. And it all had to do with Title IX.\n\n[PASLEY]: Title IX, when they had to stay. Yeah.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, let me ask you this then, just a little bit about Libby.\nWhat was your interaction with her as a coach? Or do you have any memories of\nthat? About the way she coached, or any story? I know she was a disciplinarian.\nShe wanted things done in order. But what was any impressions you had of working\nwith her?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Well, most of my athletic career until, well, I guess until\ncollege--tennis. We kind of--the way the softball was organized, and I don't\nknow about the basketball, I believe she may have known much more--she was\nbasically the coach. So whatever sport it was, she coached it.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I think basketball was her primary sport, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: So, given all that, she probably didn't know a whole lot about\nsoftball. So those that had played their entire life, we kind of--I don't want\nto say coached ourselves, because we did not do that, but we would offer\nsuggestions, and just kind of different strategies that we had learned when we\nwere growing up. Because we did play it for our entire life. But as far as\nactual instruction or how to hit the ball or breaking down your swing or how to\ncatch or throw, any of that, we really already knew, so she didn't do a lot of\nthe instructing. And as far as rules, collegiate rules, I can't remember if they\nwere different from the other rules I played when I was--which I played CYO and\nthen I played some in high school as well. I don't know if they were different.\nI hate to say we worked together, but I think we really did work together.\n\n[PASLEY]: You recall her being fine with that?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, yes. We would definitely offer suggestions. We were a very\nvocal group [laughs] with a lot of our own ways of doing things. And so we would\noffer many suggestions and talk about it. Because I remember Patti McBee, too.\nShe played second base. And gosh, all of us had played her whole lives. So we\ncame together as one. Interesting enough too, I used to compete against Lisa\nTroggett [SP] who came and played softball at Trinity. And she became one of my\nteammates and we had always competed against each other in CYO when I was a\nlittle girl. And we'd win and go to city, and they'd win and go to city, and\nwe'd see each other and kind of--it was like, \"Ew,\" you know? And then when we\ngot to Trinity, we became very good friends.\n\n[PASLEY]: You're speaking for yourself, because I'm an example of somebody who\nnever had a chance to play softball or baseball or anything organized. And so I\nwalked on and I did the same with basketball and just learned, because I was\nable to walk on. And I was lucky I got to play because we had a lot of talented\npeople like Alison Taylor and you and Patty and Jill and those guys. So y'all\nmay--I may have learned from you [laughs], in retrospect, versus Libby. I mean,\nLibby would make up the lineups and she would obviously organize the games and\nthings like that and get us--but I didn't remember that, but that makes a lot of sense.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But then that's unusual, though, that so many of you had had\nprevious experience.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, I was thinking that. I'm jealous!\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: A lot of times, in these other sports, the women hadn't had a\nlot of background in playing basketball or playing volleyball.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Right. I will say the softball team, if I'm not mistaken on that, I\ndon't know if Trinity had one before Patty. Now, Patty was older than me. I\ndon't know if there was a team. I think she got to Trinity in 1974.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, she came in 1972, Libby did. She tried to start the team,\naround then, and they had very limited schedule. They only played a few games\nand so forth.\n\n[PASLEY]: Extramural and practice is 1973.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: They were still what they called extramural. The sports didn't\nbecome intercollegiate until about 1973 or 1974. That was after Title Nine.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, April 1974, we had a 3-1 record. Our Lady of the Lake, Incarnate\nWord, Saint Mary's.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Our Lady of the Lake.\n\n[PASLEY]: But then 1976, so I really probably just had one or two seasons before\nit picked up. We were probably still just playing, like you said, those few\nteams. And so you probably got to be there when it really got into a full team.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Well, yes, because we got to travel and we got invited to\ntournaments. Though we weren't as competitive--because once again, they were DI\nschools--we still got to go. And if we won or got a consolation or whatever, we\nstill got to play the games. It was really another wonderful experience, I felt\nlike, that I could play softball again. Because I couldn't play in high school.\nThey didn't have an organized softball team in high school.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, by the way, we've interviewed Sue Bachmann [Henderson] and Alison\nTaylor as well. Um, so we've had some fun stories there.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, my gosh. Oh, let's see if Walters [SP]--oh look at Michelle\n[SP]. I'm surprised y'all haven't--\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, Michelle Freisenheim [SP]. So, Anne Burbridge.\n\n[CASTILLON]: This was before--that was before me.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you overlap with Jill--\n\n[PASLEY]: Jill Herenberg?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I did. Because Jill was--was she 1975 or was she a 1976 like me?\nNo, she was older than me.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, she was I think a year two behind me, so she was either a 1978\nor 1979 grad.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Okay, I'm going to say she was--I bet she was with Patti.\n\n[PASLEY]: I think they were the same age. And those were two very talented--\n\n[CASTILLON]: I do too, yes. So, yes, I got to play--yes, they were awesome\nathletes. Jill caught for us and Patti played second.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: What made it so difficult about softball was nobody ever saw you\nplay. There was the kind of invisible team. That's what I'd call them. And now\nthey have this really nice softball field here that they play on. But they\ndidn't get that until--before the South Campus got built. So they had a long\ntime before they really were a sport--because basketball, volleyball, and that,\nand tennis, and so forth, there were facilities on campus, but there wasn't any\nfor softball. That was always a sport that--hard to get any coverage in the\nTrinitonian. They didn't have a whole lot about it.\n\n[CASTILLON]: You had to go off campus if you were gonna get anything.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But it's interesting though, what you say. And I think that this\nis one of the real big differences between your era and the modern era, where\nthere were so many women playing multiple sports. That's pretty much unheard of\nnow. They just have the one sport and they've been trained going up. They're\nstarting out young--\n\n[CASTILLON]: You are so right.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, when you said that, I'm thinking of your daughter Katie, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[PASLEY]: Have you thought about comparing how you got into college sports and\nplayed them versus how your daughter did?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Sure, I can tell real quick. Because Katie came here as a transfer\nstudent and played all four years. She got an extra year of eligibility so she\ncould actually play in the 2017 year, as her fifth year. She was introduced to\nmini sports. I wanted to introduce both my kids to everything and let them\nchoose. Michael chose baseball. Katie chose softball. Once they made that\nchoice, which was in high school, ninth grade, that's basically all she did. She\nhad to quit everything else--dance, everything--because it was full-time taking\nlessons. Which we never did; we just played. And then working her way up to\ncoming in, getting to play on that wonderful field that I didn't know existed\nuntil Katie came and competed here. So that's what drew me back to Trinity, and\nwanted to get involved. And now that she's gone, I don't come as often again.\nLike you said, you don't see me. But I would love to try to get involved to\nwhere I'm down here more, because the environment, everything about the\nuniversity--my daughter feels the same way--is just something you would always\ncherish. It's just a lifetime thing. I wouldn't have given up making that choice\ntwo weeks before school started to come here for anything.\n\n[PASLEY]: Wow, wow. That's interesting.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: I know we're kind of running out of time here, but let me ask\nyou this, Julie. A question we often ask is, what difference do you think your\nexperience at Trinity as a student either helped or hindered by being in\nathletics? Did it add anything to it? Why don't we just say, your experience as\nbeing in athletics and going to class, versus somebody who never was in\nathletics at all and went to school, were there values? Were there things that\nyou felt had carried over into your adult life that you got out of those\nexperiences? Could you say something about that?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes, I feel like sports is a very important, integral part of\nbecoming an adult, getting a job, being confident, being accountable, having\nintegrity, being a team player. It made me who I am today and continues to\nbuild--have compassion. And I don't mean that someone that's not an athlete\ndoesn't have those qualities or characteristics. But we were always around\npeople. We got to know people. Part of being and living in this world is being\nable to get along, as we see with everything that's going on now in the\ngovernment and being able to accept someone for who they are. Find good\nqualities. So if you're on and playing a sport with someone and whether it's\ntennis and you're rooting one of your teammates on because you're done, or\nwhether it's a team sport where someone made an error, or bowling is like they\nthrew a gutter ball or something, but you really don't think that--you don't\nreally interact with them outside that sport--you still root them on, because\nthat's the right thing to do. And not only that; it's because you want to win.\nWe all want to win. We all want to be--and I, just in my education, also it\nhelped me in my education, because it gave me time to kind of not--to just lay\nback and do things I enjoy. I'm very high strung, so I'd sit in class and then\nI'd need to go and get all that out. Like runners. Anyone that does any kind of\nthing, anything for exercise, it's good for our mental state. And I just think\nthat sports is a big part. Not that any other things aren't, because other\nthings are too. Playing a musical instrument. Anything you can do to bring out\nanother side of your personality. But it's all about getting along and coming\ntogether as one. And I think that Trinity being a smaller university also was\nthe perfect fit for myself, and I know it was for Katie as well.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you belong to like a sorority?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I did not. She did. I was surprised when she wanted to do it, and I\nwas like, \"Why?\" Because I didn't have enough time. But a lot of my friends that\nwere on teams with me, they would invite me and they were members of a sorority.\nAnd I will say one thing about the sororities and the fraternities. What's it\ncalled? The what life?\n\n[PASLEY]: Greek life?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Greek life. Thank you very much. I've noticed after all these\nyears, and Katie's already doing it now, that when some of my friends come back,\nthey have organized for the alumni weekend.\n\n[PASLEY]: She a Gamma?\n\n[CASTILLON]: She is a Spur.\n\n[PASLEY]: Spurs, okay. Gammas are the best at organizing reunions.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Well, they organize everything so that it's hard to get to see some\nof your friends. Like Mary Quinn [SP] was a Chi Beta. Well, we always get\ntogether when she comes. But it's really hard because she goes, \"Well, I gotta\ngo now because I have to go to the Chi Beta function.\" And then they've got\nthe--which was the fraternity with Chi Beta?\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, the Lancers.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Then they gotta go to the Lancers. So I kind of get left out of\nthose things because I wasn't a part of it. So I think--and I'm happy that my\ndaughter did that, because I now feel at my age--I feel like, \"Oh did I miss out?\"\n\n[PASLEY]: But you were living at home, too.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Correct.\n\n[PASLEY]: And it was a lot easier to live on campus and then be part of these\nsocial groups, I think.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's the other thing, that even when I came to Trinity in\n1962, we were still a commuter school, really, because we only had a few\ndormitory, a few residence halls. And so the experience that, for your\ngeneration, I think the sports were something that--it was a substitute, in a\nway, for that. But what I liked about the sports is they weren't all coming from\nthe same--it wasn't like you were all a group. You had to form your own group.\nAnd you might not even have met those people otherwise, right?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I would never have met the bowling ones. No. Uh-uh. And the\nsoftball, I didn't know any of those except for the one that's not in any of\nthose pictures--my friend, Lisa. You're exactly correct.\n\n[PASLEY]: But I was looking at these pictures, though, and it really is a mix.\nProbably only a third of the basketball players were in a sorority and maybe\nsame because a lot of these people were independent. And I kind of was too. I\nquit hanging out with my sorority and we started doing intramurals with--you\nknow. In fact, Jill and Patti were on intramural teams for coed.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you do much with intramurals?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I did! I had some pictures in there. After we turn it off, yes.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, I want to--we'll look at that when we're done here, yeah.\n\n[CASTILLON]: And that will be quick.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: And Jim Potter, was he running the intramurals then?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: But you could play intramurals, right, and play--?\n\n[PASLEY]: Not in that sport.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Not in that sport. But you could do intramurals in other sports\nas well, right?\n\n[PASLEY]: But coed, it didn't matter.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Played the coed.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, we recruited Jill Herenberg and Patti McBee to be on our coed\nsoftball team and we won, as you can imagine. In fact, the men knew just to step\nback. I think we had Denise Wade [SP], maybe. And so we had some really good\nathletes on our coed team. And the men knew not to run in front of the women,\nbecause they were probably better softball players than the men. So that's why\nwe won.\n\n[CASTILLON]: What team was your coed?\n\n[PASLEY]: AOT.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Okay, I remember. And we were the Gators.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, that's right. Okay. [laughs]\n\n[CASTILLON]: And we had the--[laughs] I have a picture [SP].\n\n[PASLEY]: The one cool thing--I think I may mentioned this to you, and I know\nthis is about Julie, but real quick, is Potter had the men hit opposite handed\nin coed, so that was a leveling kind of thing. And you go to a coed tournament\nnow--I used to play co-ed, and I was going to ask you about that--but the guys\ngo up and hit a home run and then they just walk to first base and go back to\nthe dugout. So the guys could just totally dominate on hitting. But what Potter\ndid was he had the guys hit from the other side, so if you're a right-handed\nhitter, you had to go up and hit left-handed. And it leveled the playing field\nto where you had to let the women play.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Oh, I didn't know that. Well, that's interesting.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah. It was fascinating.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I remember that, now that you mention it.\n\n[PASLEY]: What sports do you play now?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I still bowl. I play golf in tournaments. And I still play tennis.\n\n[PASLEY]: Wow. That's impressive.\n\n[CASTILLON]: In three different leagues.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: That's great.\n\n[PASLEY]: [laughs] That's fantastic.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, I'd like to talk to you all evening. But that's really\nhelped me to get a feel for the bowling. That was one of the sports that we\ndon't know much about. And that has clarified a lot of things there.\n\n[CASTILLON]: I hope you can get with Robin, really. I'm going to try to look\nup--and I'll ask Michael when that year was when he saw that.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, we can check that out. It must have been the Hall of Fame.\n\n[CASTILLON]: It had to have been the Hall of Fame.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, other than--and I talked to a Doug already about Mary. Sounds like\nshe might be able to fill some good holes in.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Mary would be an excellent source.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, I'll get with her. I'll ask you to help me get her contact\ninformation and we'll set her up. What we tried to do before, Doug, was to get\nMary and Julie at the same time. And then it just didn't work. So I appreciate\nher doing this.\n\n[CASTILLON]: You're welcome. So, Robin and Mary [SP]. Mary would be awesome. And\nRobin would be excellent as well.\n\n[PASLEY]: For bowling. Anybody else that you can think of?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I'm going to get with you, because there was someone I was thinking\nof and [laughs] now I can't remember who it was, that I thought would be a good\nsource as well. And you know Jill. You haven't gotten with Jill, have you?\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Well, we've tried to get a hold of her and we just can't.\n\n[PASLEY]: So, she is Jill [Herenberg] O'Neil. She lives in Dillon, Colorado. And\nwe actually-- Dave and I spend a lot of time in Colorado in the summers. And\nthis is her work number. It was a dentist's office. I called and she had just\nleft working there like a few weeks before. And I said, \"Well, I'm trying to get\nin touch with her. Could you help me out? And can I give you my contact\ninformation?\" And this woman said, \"Yeah, I'm going to see Jill. I'll take that\ninformation to her.\" Nothing. So, I don't know if she doesn't want to talk to\nus? Because you never know.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, I bet she would.\n\n[PASLEY]: But I bet--but the woman I talked to even said, \"Yeah, she has talked\nabout those days in a really good way.\" In a very positive way.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, yes. And her and Libby Johnson were very close.\n\n[PASLEY]: Oh, yeah. And she could give us some great Libby stories.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[PASLEY]: And Barbara Jones was our trainer. Jill and Barbara were kind of like\na team. And I haven't been able--so I've gotten her mailing address for both and\nsent letters and heard nothing. And this is as close as I've gotten. But I'm\ngoing to be there this fall in Colorado. And it's only like an hour from where\nwe are. So I'm going to try to track her down again.\n\n[BRACKENRIDGE]: Yeah, because even if you could just do a little tape recorder\nof her.\n\n[PASLEY]: Even a phone call.\n\n[CASTILLON]: What about Burbridge?\n\n[PASLEY]: Ann Burbridge.\n\n[CASTILLON]: Yes.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, so she might--oh, I actually had her written down here.\n\n[CASTILLON: And I believe she's in Dallas, if I'm not mistaken. Mary Quinn [SP]?\n\n[PASLEY]: Quinn?\n\n[CASTILLON]: No.\n\n[PASLEY]: Mary Walters?\n\n[CASTILLON]: Oh, my gosh. Talk about--but Mary Quinn just did the tennis and the\nChi Beta. Mary Quinn didn't play any other sports.\n\n[PASLEY]: I don't think she did. And I'm in touch with Mary. We're on Christmas\ncard lists together, so I see her quite often.\n\n[END INTERVIEW]\n\n","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=0.0,3125.0"}]},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Interview_with_Julie_Roba_Castillon.xml [Index]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Introduction and how Castillon Came to Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=0.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The interviewers begin by introducing themselves, stating the date, and introducing Julie. Brackenridge then asks Julie how she came to Trinity and whether she was interested in sports before college. She says that she loved sports from “birth” and initially planned to go to Southwest Texas University on a tennis scholarship. Due to family circumstances, she decided to stay in San Antonio and attend Trinity as a commuter. At Trinity, she played basketball for one year and bowled and played softball for four. She began bowling at age eleven, softball at seven, and tennis in the ninth grade.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=0.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: Today is Wednesday, April 10, 2019. Betsy Gerhardt Pasley and Doug Brackenridge will be interviewing Julie Roba Castillon--did I say that right?--today. Julie went to Trinity from 1976 to 1980 and participated in a number of sports.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: We usually start with just a bit about how did you get to Trinity, and were you interested in sports before you came. Just a little bit of background, so we can fill in a little bit about yourself.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=0.0,155.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Sports before Trinity","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=155.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pasley asks Castillon if her high school had sports teams. She replies that she went to high school in southwest San Antonio at Highlands High School, where she could only play one sport. She chose tennis. Castillon attended elementary school at St. Margaret Mary and played softball, volleyball, and ran track. At Rogers Junior High, there were no organized team sports. Brackenridge asks if it was unusual for women to be in sports or if Castillon ever got a sense that it was different from what men were doing. Castillon says that she did not think about this; she just wanted to play sports. At the time, she did not think about the fact that a men’s golf team existed but a women’s did not.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=155.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: Now, did you have women's sports teams in high school? Where did you go to high school?\n\nCASTILLON: I went to high school on the south side of San Antonio. I was born and raised here in San Antonio, still live here, and went to St. Margaret Mary's elementary that only had CYO [Catholic Youth Organization]. So, we got to run track, play fast pitch softball, volleyball, and they were all very competitive. And there was no basketball for girls, or we would have done that too. So, let's see. So fast forwarding to middle school at Rogers Junior High, they had no organized sports. None, whatsoever. So, going to Highlands High School, we were the first class to be in ninth grade in high school, and I was able to only do one sport, so I chose tennis. There was a bowling club that competed with other schools, but that was about all we did. That was not an organized sport. I thought about playing golf but there was not an organized sport for women golfers between 1972 and 1976 in high school. And then fast forward to college 1976, Fall of 1976, which is what we were discussing previously.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=155.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Softball and Basketball ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=328.0,616.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brackenridge asks about the women’s sports teams that were not as established as tennis. Roba says that she learned about these other sports by spending time at the Sam Center. She heard about the softball team and decided to attend tryouts. At the time, there was no softball field, so the women played on the lot across from Lightner Residence Hall. Their games were hosted at Brackenridge park, where they played against the University of the Incarnate Word and St. Mary’s University. She discusses Libby Johnson and Mary Walters, as well as their impact on the softball and basketball teams. Castillon and Pasley discuss the overlap between softball and basketball players.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=328.0,616.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: So when you came to Trinity, by the time you came, there was a bit more organized tennis, right? But what about these other sports when you came? How did you get into them? Was your relationship with Libby Johnson--is that how you first got into the sports? Or how did you how did you get into the sports at Trinity?\n\nCASTILLON: Well, I guess being down at the Sams Center which is now--what's the name?\n\n[PASLEY]: Bell Center.\n\nCASTILLON: The Bell Center. Found out about what sports I would be able to participate in. Because the tennis wasn't going to be all-inclusive really, because it was JV tennis, not the varsity tennis, because that was a whole different--they were DI [Division I] varsity tennis, so from all over the world. But so I found out pretty quickly being down there every day, day in and day out, pretty much lived down there, what sports were available. And then just came out for the tryout. We found out when tryouts were, which really weren't tryouts, really.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=328.0,616.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bowling","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=616.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Castillon talks about her time on the women’s bowling team. The team was coached by Bill Bilakas and sponsored by Dick Yearley. She discusses the team’s transition from a club to intercollegiate sport. At the beginning, Yearley coached a co-ed bowling league and tried to gather women to play. Eventually, the team grew and was divided into men’s and women’s. Castillon was the first woman to travel with the bowling team. She discusses Robin McCarthy and Patricia Pillsbury, claiming that Robin accepted an award on behalf of the women’s bowling team around 2008-2012. Brackenridge speculates that this was for the Trinity Hall of Fame.\n\nCastillon says that Bill Bilakas was the hands-on coach of the team while Yearley came to tournaments and competitions. The team would play matches at the bowling alley in the Sam Center, which had 6-8 lanes. Bowling was a popular sport at the time and the team attracted crowds full of family and friends, unlike the softball team.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=616.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: And I forget which sport, but I think--and then there was a bowling tournament at A\u0026M and you had to hitch a ride to get up to--\n\nPASLEY: Do you remember that?\n\nCASTILLON: I think I may have!\n\nPASLEY: I think that was in a Trinitonian article.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That in order to get--you missed the first part of the bowling, I think it was. But that you managed to get a ride up there to A\u0026M and bowled.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=616.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Traveling with Bowling Team","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1620.0,1782.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brackenridge brings up the bowling team’s trip to Milwaukee for a championship tournament. Castillon says that Trinity paid for team travel, but the players often drove themselves or formed a caravan. Bill was the backbone of the team and scheduled their tournaments and travel. ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1620.0,1782.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: While we're on this, your experience of going there, I know I've got that in there, but Milwaukee, to the tournament, that Trinity paid?\n\nCASTILLON: Yes.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: They paid for all that. When you were going to matches, did you have to drive in your own cars, or did they have vans to take you? How did you normally get to your bowling matches?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1620.0,1782.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Inception of Trinity Women’s Bowling","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1782.0,1925.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Castillon says that, when she came to Trinity, there was no women’s bowling team. The coaches approached her and asked whether there were enough interested women to form a team. Castillon bowled with the men’s team during her freshman year; a women’s team was created after this. Since Castillon played with men her whole life, she was not phased by playing on the Trinity men’s team.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1782.0,1925.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CASTILLON: That, I do not remember, anything about that. But I did want to say that when I got there, the team was not organized. I remember talking to Dick and him talking to me to try to see if there was any way I thought that we could get enough women and men.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, he keeps saying that, right. Yeah.\n\nCASTILLON: And then Bill was down there, if I'm not mistaken, how it all went, and he was just kind of there, and they got together, and we all got together. So I'm thinking the first competitive team was when I was here, but I do not remember it was my freshman year. I don't remember that. I thought I'd bowled all four years.\n\nPASLEY: No, it says here, Julie, you're a first-year student, and Yearly [SP] put you on the team with the men to go to Southwest--to Texas Southern. In 1976.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1782.0,1925.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Libby Johnson and Softball","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1925.0,2361.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Castillon discusses Libby Johnson in the context of Trinity’s softball team. Johnson did not know a great deal about softball, so the players often had to coach themselves. She did, however, advocate for the team to become intercollegiate from the time that she came to Trinity in 1972. The team became intercollegiate in the 1973/1974 school year and began to play in tournaments against other D1 schools. Castillon discusses several players on the team.\n\nThe softball team did not have a field until South campus was built. This meant that they did not draw publicity from the Trinitonian until they were considered to be a more “official” sport. Brackenridge comments that, unlike the female athletes in the 1970s, Trinity’s current female athletes do not usually play multiple sports.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1925.0,2361.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: Well, let me ask you this then, just a little bit about Libby. What was your interaction with her as a coach? Or do you have any memories of that? About the way she coached, or any story? I know she was a disciplinarian. She wanted things done in order. But what was any impressions you had of working with her?\n\nCASTILLON: Well, most of my athletic career until, well, I guess until college--tennis. We kind of--the way the softball was organized, and I don't know about the basketball, I believe she may have known much more--she was basically the coach. So whatever sport it was, she coached it.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: Well, I think basketball was her primary sport, right?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=1925.0,2361.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comparison between Castillon and Daughter","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2361.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Castillon reflects on her daughter, Katie, and her time at Trinity. Katie came in as a transfer student and played softball through her fifth year at Trinity in 2017. Unlike Julie, Katie had to make the choice to play softball in the 9th grade and give up all other extracurriculars. Castillon says that she was more involved at Trinity when Katie was a student, but will cherish the Trinity experience for a lifetime.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2361.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BRACKENRIDGE]: But it's interesting though, what you say. And I think that this is one of the real big differences between your era and the modern era, where there were so many women playing multiple sports. That's pretty much unheard of now. They just have the one sport and they've been trained going up. They're starting out young--\n\n[CASTILLON]: You are so right.\n\nPASLEY: So, when you said that, I'm thinking of your daughter Katie, right?\n\nCASTILLON: Yes.\n\nPASLEY: Have you thought about comparing how you got into college sports and played them versus how your daughter did?","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2361.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Impact of Athletics","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2488.0,2675.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Brackenridge asks Castillon to share how her Trinity experience was shaped by her involvement in athletics. Castillon says that sports are an integral part of becoming an adult, being confident, having integrity, and being a team player. These skills translate to the real world when looking for jobs. Castillon feels that athletics gave her a break from the stress of academics by allowing her to do something that she enjoyed after class.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2488.0,2675.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: I know we're kind of running out of time here, but let me ask you this, Julie. A question we often ask is, what difference do you think your experience at Trinity as a student either helped or hindered by being in athletics? Did it add anything to it? Why don't we just say, your experience as being in athletics and going to class, versus somebody who never was in athletics at all and went to school, were there values? Were there things that you felt had carried over into your adult life that you got out of those experiences? Could you say something about that?\n\nCASTILLON: Yes, I feel like sports is a very important, integral part of becoming an adult, getting a job, being confident, being accountable, having integrity, being a team player. It made me who I am today and continues to build--have compassion. And I don't mean that someone that's not an athlete doesn't have those qualities or characteristics. But we were always around people. We got to know people. ","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2488.0,2675.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Greek Life","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2675.0,2829.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Castillon discusses greek life at Trinity, which she was never involved in. Her daughter was a Spur and she has many friends who were in sororities, so she sees the appeal. It was hard for Castillon to join a sorority as a commuter, so she used sports as a substitute.\n\n\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2675.0,2829.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BRACKENRIDGE: Did you belong to like a sorority?\n\nCASTILLON: I did not. She did. I was surprised when she wanted to do it, and I was like, \"Why?\" Because I didn't have enough time. But a lot of my friends that were on teams with me, they would invite me and they were members of a sorority. And I will say one thing about the sororities and the fraternities. What's it called? The what life?\n\nPASLEY: Greek life?\n\nCASTILLON: Greek life. Thank you very much. I've noticed after all these years, and Katie's already doing it now, that when some of my friends come back, they have organized for the alumni weekend.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2675.0,2829.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intramurals","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2829.0,2926.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In addition to bowling and softball, Castillon played intramural sports, which were organized by Coach Jim Potter. Pasley talks about her own intramural softball team, AOT. Roba played for a team called the Gators. Coach Potter would have the men on these teams hit opposite-handed in order to “level the playing field.”\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2829.0,2926.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BRACKENRIDGE]: Did you do much with intramurals?\n\n[CASTILLON]: I did! I had some pictures in there. After we turn it off, yes.\n\n[PASLEY]: Yeah, I want to--we'll look at that when we're done here, yeah.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2829.0,2926.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Closing","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Title"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2926.0,3125.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Castillon says that she is still active in sports, including bowling, golf, and tennis. The interviewers close the interview out. Brackenridge thanks Castillon for teaching them about the bowling team and filling in some archival gaps. Castillon says that she hopes they can get with Robin to talk about the Hall of Fame. Pasley says that they are trying to get in contact with Mary Walters, Barbara Jones, and Jill O’Neil. They pull out some photographs and the tape ends.\n","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Synopsis"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2926.0,3125.0"},{"id":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096/index/48407/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":[{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PASLEY: What sports do you play now?\n\nCASTILLON: I still bowl. I play golf in tournaments. And I still play tennis.\n\nPASLEY: Wow. That's impressive.\n\nCASTILLON: In three different leagues.\n\nBRACKENRIDGE: That's great.","format":"text/plain","label":{"en":["Partial Transcript"]}}],"target":"https://trinityuniversity.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1501/collection_resources/46044/file/119096#t=2926.0,3125.0"}]}]}]}